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Well Trump said he’d work for and equitable peace and justice in the region. Biden/Harris said they’d continue to support Israel no matter what. Of course they chose trump. And of course trump was lying.
Trump literally told Netanyahu to “finish the job” — as in, hurry up and genocide the Palestinians faster before world opinion completely shifts against you. That was public knowledge before the election. Arab-Americans had no excuse.
He did say that, in March after he won the election. Are you thinking that should have steered Michigan Muslim votes 4 months earlier?
So many leopards, so many faces…
You are a fucking racist piece of shit and History will condemn you
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? Did you just vomit on your keyboard and by chance it churned out this message?
Is this like how zionists accuse rational people of being antisemitic?
The GOP thanks you for your support.
Wow, love to see the racist shitlibs going mask off here. Really lets you know who is probably going to collaborate with the fascist regime
Liberals when a minority
doesis falsely accused of doing something bad:
Leopards like halal!
Absolute absurdity, I understand voting third party but Trump? Some people really do walk like sheep to the slaughterhouse.
They didn’t, the post is misinformation.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/13/michigan-dearborn-trump-harris-arab-gaza-israel-vote/
Top link is paywalled FYI
It seems like Muslims in the USA did though I cannot find anything that differentiates immigrants vs non-immigrants. They seemed to have voted against Harris for the most part because of her support of attacks on Gaza. This makes perfect sense if you recall the same community complained about Biden’s support of the war on Gaza in the primary.
It seems like Muslims in the USA did
It seems like they didn’t, based on your own sources. The first one does not provide any information on how they voted and the second one provides data that shows that a majority of Muslims did not vote for Trump. Did you read beyond the headlines?
Reread Trump did in fact get quite a lot of votes. It is almost as if people are individuals or something.
“A lot” is not “a majority.” This post is lying/misinformation.
The second link even notes a majority voted for Jill Stein and was contradicted by another survey that put the community over 60% Harris.
This whole talking point is just blue maga scapegoating minorities for their own hand in bringing American fascism to power. The funded extremism, boosted Donald trump, destroyed faith in their primaries, courted Republicans and told everyone in their base to eat shit and vote blue.
Im not suprised, people really do want a scapegoat to distract themselves from the dems being spinless liberals. Still the idea that anyone can vote Trump is absurdity.
Of whom*
No. Whom is over, it was never necessary. Languages change
To whom it may concern, your username is accurate.
a majority of whom voted for Trump
No, they didn’t.
Unofficial results released by the city of Dearborn show that Mr. Trump won 42 percent of the vote in Dearborn, compared with 36 percent for Ms. Harris and 18 percent for the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.
In 2020, similar results released after the election showed that Mr. Biden had won almost 70 percent of votes by Dearborn residents.
Seems pretty likely they did
That’s the city as a whole, whereas the post claims that specifically a majority of Arab Americans voted for Trump. I don’t have data by race, but I do have a source that the majority of Muslims voted for Jill Stein, both in general and specifically in Michigan. Trump got only 21% of the Muslim vote, not anywhere close to a “majority.”
Michigan Arab community, majority of whom voted for Trump
From the post title definitely is saying the majority of those in this community and not “all Arabs”
“Michigan Arab community” means “all Arabs in Michigan.” It doesn’t specify a specific community beyond that.
“It’s very unfortunate, sad news,” Abdulhakem Alsadah, president of the Dearborn-based
“I think its sends the wrong message, that America is not open to democracy and freedom,” Ayad, the founder and board chairman of the Dearborn-based
U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Ann Arbor, who used to live in Dearborn, also released a statement
Seems pretty focused on Dearborn for an article just talking about Michigan as a whole
Do you actually have data showing that the majority of Dearborn Arabs or Muslims voted for Trump, in contrast to both Michigan Muslims and Muslims in general, or are you just grasping at straws?
Damn not just a majority, a full 60% cast a vote for Trump
Where on earth are you getting 60%?
Democratic ideologues have the memory of a goldfish.
These people managed to force two ‘uncommitted’ delegates in the Democratic primary with the stated goal of sending a message to Democrats to stop supporting genocide.
Of course they didn’t vote for you. You told them you were 100% in support of genocide and to fuck off.
Good thing nothing has gotten worse, right?
It’s been getting worse for the past eight years. Maybe next time vote for someone whose slogan isn’t: “I wouldn’t change anything.”
Great idea. Then the guy whose slogan is “Muslims are scum and should be finished off” get elected… Which just happened.
🤣 Michigan Muslims are morons. I love this for them. They deserve what they voted for.
Can you really generalize an entire population with a broad stroke?
I mean, across the broad group, they voted for this.
No, they didn’t.
We were conservative in our home country, we should be conservative in another. What could possibly go wrong chasing this brilliant ideology?
Michigan Muslims sent a huge message to Democrats with how they voted in the Democratic primary, and that message was that they wanted Democrats to stop supporting the genocide in Gaza.
Democrats told them to go fuck themselves.
It’s you who are the morons, and this finger-wagging nonsense needs to stop because you need those votes.
GOOD THING TRUMP ENDED THE GENOCIDE ON DAY 1.
The depth of your stupidity and gullibility is literally astounding.
I’m not stupid and they’re not stupid.
They tried to work through the Democratic Party for change and the Democratic Party spat in their faces. In this scenario, there’s a greater evil (Joe) and a lesser evil (Donald).
It’s not by much, but the ceasefires that have occurred wouldn’t have happened under a Joe Biden or Kamala Harris presidency.
Beep
You punished the Democrats and got wholesale ethnic cleansing in Gaza and a wide ranging muslim ban. Congratulations. You really showed them.
They were getting ethnic cleansing no matter who they voted for. Your candidate was Genocide Joe Biden.
The difference here is that the Democrats insulted them, but of course, you all have learned absolutely nothing from this, and it’s shows some serious cognitive dissonance that you’re ignoring how hard their community worked through established channels to try and change Democratic policy before doing so.
You are a hundred percent correct and history will condemn all these gleefully bloodthirsty shitlibs and their callous racist insistence that a small minority both gave us Trump and deserves to be punished for it
Well good job on the win I guess?
Good job, indeed.
They’ve gotten a couple of ceasefires that would definitely not have happened under a Biden or Harris presidency.
Don’t forget about the casino Trump wants to build there after bulldozong it! That certainly wouldn’t have happened under a Biden presidency either.
That’s the the weird thing about a Trump presidency.
Sometimes good things happen for the wrong reasons, which is oddly preferable (at least on this issue) to a Biden presidency, which was 100% genocidal for no good reason. It’s strange living in a world where we’re more likely to get a ceasefire in Gaza because Donald wants to personally profit off of it whereas the Democrats just seem to really, really enjoy feeding weapons to an apartheid.
Which part wouldn’t have happened, the bulldozing or the casino? Because the bulldozing was already happening and whether they build a casino over the rubble compared to something else doesn’t matter whatsoever.
Like I said, “Congratulations!”
Thank you.
It’s nice to see at least a few ceasefires occur that you and I know would not have materialized under Genocide Joe or Kamala Harris.
Yes. Netanyahu wanted to get some time to rest his soldiers and rearm. Trump obliged.
Maybe, maybe not.
You’re speculating, but what we know definitively is that there wouldn’t have been a ceasefire if Biden or Harris had been elected. We know this because the only response they ever gave Netanyahu was ‘Yes, Daddy.’ whenever he asked for anything whatsoever.
What exactly is the lesson? “You can get us to vote for more of the evil you support if you make us mad enough”? The Overton window is a flat circle?
I really really don’t understand why “if you won’t stop our extermination then we’ll fucking directly vote for it” teaches the DNC any lesson at all except “we can be guilt free collaborators and reap all the benefits”
You can get us to vote for more of the evil
No, because they didn’t, because the post is misinformation.
What exactly is the lesson?
The lesson is you don’t get to punch people in the face and then complain that you broke your hand.
Also, I think the people on this thread would do well to actually go insult an Arab person to their face and maybe learn a little about their culture while you’re at it.
(for the record, I voted for Harris. obviously.)
specifically on Gaza, I’m not convinced Trump is worse than Biden II would have been.
Trump (and the RNC in general) have been exploiting American Jews as a pawn in their efforts to destroy academic institutions and purge leftist intellectuals, the way Democrats exploited trans people (until we stopped being politically convenient, then they folded like a house of cards, and predictably abandoned us.) that’s horrible, of course, and the narrative of Gaza is tied up in it, but it’s not actually focused on Gaza - the effects are domestic.
aside from Trump’s inflammatory bluster on Gaza (building casinos and beachfront resorts for billionaires), what has he actually done? he’s negotiated with Hamas directly, and cut Netenyahu out of the loop. Trump has a huge ego, and he doesn’t play well with other world leaders with huge egos, like Netenyahu (or recently, Musk.) so when Netenyahu tried to push him around he told him to pound sand. and - for better or worse - with “America First” foreign policy, it’s increasingly hard to justify giving Israel billions of dollars to prosecute their genocide. I think Biden would have 100% been a pushover.
meanwhile, they wouldn’t even address Gaza during the DNC convention. they were initially going to have a Palestinian-American person speak, but decided “nah” and cut them at the last minute. the DNC smugly decided that us minorities were “in the bag,” and told us shut up, while they pandered to the Neocons. now they’ve lost, and the DNC is toast, and if we ever get a shot at democracy again, whatever rises from the DNC’s ashes will have to actually be Progressive.
And yet, Israel is bulldozing Gaza into the sea. Everyone with half a brain knew that Trump was a pathological lying malignant narcissist who licks the boots of fascist strongmen. He isn’t going to restrain Netanyahu, he’s going to get on his knees and kick his boots while telling Americans that he’s negotiating an end to the war. Remember how he ended to Russian aggression towards Ukraine within 24 hours?
Two things are true at once:
- the Democrats fucked up
- the people who voted for Trump fucked up
Yes.
got wholesale ethnic cleansing in Gaza
You can’t “get” something you already had.
Like I said, “Congratulations!”
Kinda a fucked up thing to say regarding a genocide you supported and which the majority of people you were targeting (as well as myself) voted against.
“Congratulations!”
Congratulations! You helped to elect a serial rapist, pathological liar, lifelong conman who made it very clear that he was going to allow Netanyahu to ethnically cleanse Gaza so he could build a golf course. Will done! You must be very proud!
I’m not American.
who made it very clear that he was going to allow Netanyahu to ethnically cleanse Gaza
Huh? No, I/they voted against Harris and Trump, not for them. You seem to have gotten it backwards.
I’m not American.
Which is why I said “supported” and not “voted for.”
Yeah, it’s totally definitely the same as before.
BTW, did you see that cool gold pager trump got?
Dipshit.
“We’ll show you - we’ll pick the guy who wants the genocide just for the real estate opportunities.”
I’m all for sending a message (and honestly one is more than deserved for the DNC and their role in all this) but this is the definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face
off the nose to spite the face
Not on the issue of Gaza. Genocide Joe allowed the genocide to continue until the literal last hour of his presidency, when the ceasefire that Donald brokered took effect.
There is no equivalency here. Donald has a better record on Gaza than Biden. It’s because he wants to exploit the issue for personal gain, true, but the fact stands.
NO WAI
so CUTE
Never have I saved a GIF so fast.
“I think its sends the wrong message, that America is not open to democracy and freedom,” Ayad, the founder and board chairman of the Dearborn-based Arab American Civil Rights League, said of Trump’s latest travel ban.
Who’s gunna tell him?
Trump already told him in for the last 10+ years.
a majority of who voted for trump in 2024
That’s not in the article and I’ve never seen a single reliable source say that…
Closest I could find:
nationwide exit polling by the Council on American Islamic Relations, found 53% of Muslim Americans voted for Jill Stein. The same poll showed 21% of Muslims cast a ballot for Trump and 20.3% for Harris.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/09/democrats-lose-michigan-arab-american-voters
found 53% of Muslim Americans voted for Jill Stein. The same poll showed 21% of Muslims cast a ballot for Trump and 20.3% for Harris.
Thanks!
And to clarify that’s still about ones who voted, not every Arab American in Michigan.
OP’s title they made up is just complete bullshit. So many people have been repeating it for so long it’s starting to be harder and harder to come up with an alternative to deliberate propaganda.
So the title is lying, then.
If you voted for Stein you might as well have voted for Trump or thrown it in the trash. Same difference
In that case, let’s also count everyone who didn’t vote as voting Republican. Turns out, Trump actually did win 2020 by an enormous margin 🤔
Michigan Muslims are a thing because of the “massive” 8% population. Some prominent Michigan Muslims drank the “what did Democrats ever do for Gaza?” koolaid. Overall, Muslims are 1% the vote, and they were split between Harris, Trump, and Stein.
Wow, these are some real assholes right? These Muslims let genocide of Muslims short circuit their logic and they put 0.3% of the vote on Trump. Now Trump is hurting Muslims. Just goes to show you, or something.
If your numbers are accurate it puts an even stranger light on those trying to justify “teaching the DNC a lesson!”
Anyone that “punches down” like OP aren’t really Dems.
They may vote D, they may donate to neoliberals, but so did trump for decades.
But if they get any joy or satisfaction out of this behavior, then they’re stuck in Republican way of thinking.
Empathy is the one thing we should say is a requirement, Republicans will never prioritize it. So when Dems throw it out the window it means there’s no empathetic option
When that happens in a general, then Republicans will win elections.
So even just for completely selfish reasons, these faux Dems need to pretend to meet the minimum level of human empathy, or they’re actively helping Republicans. Even if they don’t realize it.
Yup, a sane person would be asking why the good guys are supporting a foreign genocidal states when its clearly alienating their base.
People think they lost because voters didn’t fall in line but they lost because they drew that line straight into a swamp. Weaponized incompetence.
You can’t gatekeep Democrats. Nor can you say leopards eating faces is punching down.
Muslim Magas got what they voted for. It’s that simple.
There is this knee jerk tendency of Western progressive liberals to white knight Muslims when Muslim get criticized even if it is completely deserved and handing out that criticism is in line with progressive views.
There’s a stronger kneejerk tendency of Western shitlibs to believe any bad thing they read about Muslims and then shit on them for it, because they’re racists.
IIRC that Muslim-Trump vote was what flipped Michigan to Red in the last election.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/state/michigan/
If ~1% of the state population was such an important voting block…
Maybe the Dems candidate should have listened to what they wanted from a candidate?
I don’t understand why we’re focusing on them though
61% Christian, how’d they vote?
61% Christian, how’d they vote?
Guessing pro-genocide.
This is LeopardsAteMyFace and the Republicans are very Islamophobic; of course the post is focusing on Muslim Trump voters
And the title contains a false statement made to make people feel like a group of “others” are really to blame…
If you don’t understand how that parallels Republican ideology, you’re making my point that the people who dunk on others can’t think like Democrats.
Because Republicans always think they’re the Normandy assume everyone agrees with them.
The reason America is so fucked up is 30 years ago those people took over the Dem party under the lable “modern neoliberalism”.
That’s why there’s such a large disconnect between dem voters and dem leadership. And why turnout has been depressed and Republicans have been winning.
Luckily for everyone, the neoliberals are out of party leadership now, and even if you all vote R like you did when Obama was the candidate, neoliberals voters are statistically insignificant.
You won’t win Republicans the election, you won’t lose it for Democrats.
Because we get sooo many votes from traditional non voters when we don’t have to ask them to hold their noses.
According to exit polls, Muslims went from 88% for Biden, to 55% for Harris. (Technically, I read 88% Biden to 45% Trump. Votes were split between more than 2 people.) So 3,800 Muslims for Trump, 4,600 Muslims not for Trump. Meanwhile, almost everyone in that city is white. Very rough numbers but that’s like 39,000 whites / Christians people voting for Trump.
I think the whole “this single moment is what cost him the championship” is ridiculous in sports, it’s worse to single out 1/12th the population and say they broke the camel’s back.
Agreed
it’s worse to single out 1/12th the population and say they broke the camel’s back
Abso-fucking-lutely, and I don’t know if it’s just infuriating or alarming that even self proclaimed liberals and leftists are pumping their fist looking for a minority to blame the situation on.
Which exit poll are you using? There were conflicting ones at the time. Overall the numbers aren’t large enough to make a difference but Im just curious which one you used.
anything to distract from the fact that the only group who overwhelmingly support trump are whites lol
Wealthy people too
are you sure about Latinos? Not that I think there’s anything to be gained by examining it but I thought Latin Americans are overwhelmingly conservative and have always voted red to try and be “the good ones”
White people, by far. White uneducated people by even farther.
We pick on Latinos and women because they voted for him a lot AND will suffer the most because of it.
oh for sure, I’m not comparing their relative voter footprint to ours. like I said, it’s not a useful line of questioning but there just are demographics that are into the cult for cultural reasons
iirc the only non-white group who voted more for trump than harris were Latino men, but even that was by a slight margin
white men and women, meanwhile, voted overwhelmingly for trump
interesting. I retract my first assumption then. I guess my only exposure to Hispanics in my with was only with men and that does make blind spots. I could look it up but just if you know, do women vote in an overwhelming way or do they turn up to vote at all?
I thought Latin Americans are overwhelmingly conservative and have always voted red to try and be “the good ones”
They are and often do. Tho as far as conservative Hispanics go its more about religion than nationalism, so to evaluate where they stand its more about how Catholics vote (who are often more politically diverse than the evangelical core)
exactly. I think white people tend to forget that’s the factor at play. Honestly if white magatards weren’t so horned up for by-the-books skin tone racism they probably could have had the Latino vote make them undefeatable for the forseen future. Probably before democrats could make enough progress in deradicalizing Catholicism.
I admit I don’t know how beholden Latino-specific Catholicism is to the Vatican. from my uninformed position it looks less attached.
I admit I don’t know how beholden Latino-specific Catholicism is to the Vatican. from my uninformed position it looks less attached.
The previous Pope was the first from Latin America (Argentina), if that gives you any indication.
And now another one.
Honestly if white magatards weren’t so horned up for by-the-books skin tone racism they probably could have had the Latino vote make them undefeatable for the forseen future
Very much this. I might even go as far as to say that Mexico is pretty much what republicans wish they could be.
I’d say we’re split 50-50. Our culture is both surprisingly liberal but only religiously conservative in some areas. Generally, if they’re not religious, Latin Americans don’t give a damn how you lead your life. You could be a prostitute in broad daylight and people will notice but nobody bats an eye*. Idk what happens to those who cross the border and later believe themselves special and reformed.
It’s not a coincidence to say that the worst enemy of Latinos is other Latinos outside of our home countries. I’ve felt that hatred, and it’s unequivocally conservative.
- I’m only giving that example because I saw at least 4 sex workers on my way to work this week. High heels and fish nets at noon in the searing sun? Girl, your brave. 😅
They weren’t drinking any kool-aid.
They were literally watching friends and family get bombed with impunity and zero action from the Biden Administration. (Unless you count silencing journalists who had the balls to ask questions about it in public press conferences.)
Then, they got two ‘Uncommitted’ delegates elected in the Michigan Democratic primaries, with the express public goal of demonstrating in a public way the extent to which they wanted the Biden Administration to stop sending American bombs to Israel.
The Democrats’ response was: “Go fuck yourself.”
Of course these people flipped.
They don’t support Donald Trump, they just hate you, and with good reason.
So fucking tired of the fascist apologists flooding lemmy now, of course mods won’t do anything about it
