A Super Bowl ad for Ring security cameras boasting how the company can scan neighborhoods for missing dogs has prompted some customers to remove or even destroy their cameras.
Online, videos of people removing or destroying their Ring cameras have gone viral. One video posted by Seattle-based artist Maggie Butler shows her pulling off her porch-facing camera and flipping it the middle finger.
Butler explained that she originally bought the camera to protect against package thefts, but decided the pet-tracking system raised too many concerns about government access to data.
“They aren’t just tracking lost dogs, they’re tracking you and your neighbors,” Butler said in the video that has more than 3.2 million views.
“They aren’t just tracking lost dogs, they’re tracking you and your neighbors,”
Uh, yeah. You didn’t get the news about them sharing with ICE?
I think the majority of people don’t even have tech conversations with their friends and coworkers, they just talk about sports or gambling or whatever else normal people do.
Talking trivia instead of consequential stuff…
If I could figure out how to engage with your nonsense I would.
During Superbowl I was talking with a software guy working for a big shopping ( data) company, he was telling us how every interaction on their website is recorded for data analysis, and his own wife was shocked. It came up after I prompted for that conversation, talking about the license plate tracking in parking lots (which she didn’t know about).
People seem suprised when they find out that they capture where their mouse moves, where their finger swipes, the duration, the speed. Everything is a metric.
I don’t talk sports ball, I only talk tech. Want to be friends?
They’ve backed off this and ended the partnership, claim Flock never got any footage, which I think is a total lie.
They’ll re-partner when the heat is off, or just do it silently, Amazon shouldn’t be trusted. Explain why to your friends and neighbors.
Where did you hear they ended the partnership? (Even if you supply a source, I probably won’t believe it.)
Edit: nm. found it. https://www.engadget.com/home/ring-calls-off-partnership-with-police-surveillance-provider-flock-safety-031717605.html
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This isn’t referring to the flock thing, they put out a commercial in the Superbowl about creating a cam-network to help find lost pets.
just get a Chinese one like tapo so that the Chinese government can spy on you instead
Or hear me out,
Buy one that stores its data only on your local network and does not rely on corporate cloud or servers in any way or form.
This counts for all most all consumer home technology.
People should think about a NASS or Home servers like they do about owning a vehicle.
Build a server….in this economy? With these component prices?
I just installed Linux on my old laptop, added a 4Tb SSD and some HDDs connected with a docking bay and voilà, I have a server. Getting into the software side, now that’s a bit harder but manageable.
I recommend proxmox!
Haven’t heard about it, but will check it out, thanks!
Edit: Oh and it’s open-source😁 Is it hard to use?
Not hard at all. Its basically a debian system that you can access trough the browser with your main pc from which you can make different vms and lxc (vm but smaller and more efficient)
Every service or project gets its own lxc, all lxc share hardware resources automatically.
You can get an old HP microserver on eBay for less than 100 bucks. Still runs fine. I threw debian on it. Great for starting out… I use mine for backups, services and Jellyfin. It gave my beloved 870 a home. :,)
Yeah right. Next you’ll be telling people to get off corporate owned social media and use something without an algorithm.
use something without an algorithm.
Lemmy uses an algorithm.
Technically yes, but unlike e.g. Facebook it isn’t specifically calibrated to prioritise engagement over anything like truth or sanity. https://www.predictiveanalyticsworld.com/machinelearningtimes/five-points-for-anger-one-for-a-like-how-facebooks-formula-fostered-rage-and-misinformation/12344/
People should think about a NASS or Home servers like they do about owning a vehicle.
I wholeheartedly agree. Hell, home server/nas should be more common than cars, I don’t drive every day, but my data is used every minute of every day.
Which is actually better because the chinese have no jurisdiction in the USA.
Yet…
President Xi, my people yearn for freedom.
At the rate this is going, you may be saying this seriously soon
I mean if we already have a dictator anyway, how about some infrastructure to go with it?
High speed rail… mmmmm…
i have 5 tapo cameras because they’re cheap and work well in HA and frigate and they aren’t allowed on the internet and only communicate with the app during onboarding and…
okay i’ll get rid of them
For anyone not liking Tapo, a good alternative is Reolink. They offer about the same features, but use cameras with higher megapixels.
And can be configured to only communicate within your network.
what is ha and frigate
HA = Home Assistent, to manage your smart home Frigate = Self Hosted Webcam Server
How do you manage remote viewing without internet?
2 methods
home assistant (installed on mini pc thru proxmox) via the tapo: camera controls integration
frigate(installed on a dsm 7.2 synology) via go2rtc (mini pc)
also i’ve set my routers firewall settings so all the wifi cameras can only see eachother (and the mini pc)
edit: oh and tailscale
Cheers.
Do you recommend tapo cameras? Are they poe?
A file server by Synology will have built-in software for this, or you can get a free one by not using a Synology server
Seance or crystal ball, mainly
I honestly didn’t know what they were thinking with that commercial. Why would you proudly advertise that you’ve built a massive surveillance network, during one of the most-watched yearly televised events too for that matter? Did they seriously believe that there wouldn’t be a major backlash? I mean I appreciate the blunt honesty in that commercial so I’ll give them credit for that.
Tbh I think the people at the top still haven’t caught up with the rapid changing sentiments among the population. My zero-tech-savy retired mother in-law was talking to me about Palantir the other day.
I honestly didn’t know what they were thinking with that commercial. Why would you proudly advertise that you’ve built a massive surveillance network
Presumably because most end users are in deep with the “if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about” crowd … and besides it can find a lost dog /s.
They brought these sorts of intrusive cameras in the first place so privacy was not top of mind, or even in 2nd or 3rd place.
I would also put a good bit of the blame on executives and marketing people being way out of touch with the average person.
Presumably because most end users are in deep with the “if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about” crowd
I agree with other comments that this is probably an Executive issue. Decision-makers operating with missing information can make misinformed decisions. Whether or not end users actually are in that crowd is less relevant than whether the people making such decisions think the users are in that crowd.
In a game-theory framing, it’s a game with incomplete information. What you assume about others, including what you assume about their assumptions, influences your decisions. The sheer amount of players makes it a lot harder to model or predict.
My guess is that since Ring has a history of well-known collaborations with police and ICE, they wanted to re-frame their evil surveillance network as a way to save a puppy. Instead, lots of uninformed normies suddenly realized what those cameras are capable of, and had a huge negative reaction given the state of things.
Because in 3 weeks most people will forget about it. It’s brazen. They’ll still be the biggest doorbell company in America
They product does exactly what their customers want. Just the latter had not realised the implications for their own privacy, before the commercial, apparently.
These people are so fucking out of touch that it’s ridiculous
People are really fucking stupid to buy their products in the forst place. So that’s what they were thinking and they were right.
Because the most evil people on the planet are universally convinced that they’re heroes.
Imagine spending millions of dollars on an ad that costs your company millions more in lost sales
And reduced usage by existing customers, reduced network effect, etc…
Maybe next time they’re thinking of spending $8M on a Super Bowl ad, they can save themselves some money and pay me half that amount. I’m perfectly happy to tell everyone how Ring cameras are a privacy nightmare and recommend Reolink instead.
“Amazon says the system is secured against hackers” …You dumb evil pieces of shit, your employees and malicious government and law enforcement entities are a far greater risk than hackers. “We’re spying on everything you do and giving Trump’s constitution-ignoring lackeys access, but at least hackers aren’t, probably”
I put Google cameras on my house years ago out of convenience and this is it, I’m spending the money on a PoE system where my footage stays on my own hardware.
Reolink is decent
Very happy with my Reolink cameras and NVR. Works better than the rings ever did.
I don’t even have their NVR and am impressed that the camera works both in an NVR / LAN / and direct to PC
What does PoE have to do with it?
He’s talking about a cheap NVR with poe built in. The only thing on the network is the NVR.
Check out frigate.
my next door neighbor has a camera that seems to look like a ring… I mean I’m not gonna approach their door for no reason to check if it is a ring, but like… if it is a ring… then oh well, NSA is right by my door.
And I’m in a deep blue city btw… neighbor is a renter and is Black, so… yeah… minority working class inadvertantly have a spy camera on their door
Front door is like right next to each other… like the camera can see me walking in the the path into my own house, it makes a sound when it detects movement and I heard the sound thing trigger even when walking only on my side of the yard
…And my family are immigrants…
so yay, our movements are probably in an ICE database
Do you still have chinese citizenship? A few immigrant friends have gotten the paperwork ready, either to return to their home country or immigrate elsewhere, just incase ICE picks them up, they can agree to self-deport instead of ending up in a salvadorian concentration camp indefinitely.
IDK how the chinese US citizenship thing works, maybe China’d accept getting literally deported as proof you’re not a US citizen.
According to google (I am not a lawyer) I don’t have it anymore the moment I got US citizenship since they don’t do dual citizenship and honestly I don’t really want to live in mainland China.
If I had to leave the US, I rather go to Canada, Australia, or perhaps EU for asylum…
Or perhaps Taiwan, or maybe Singapore.
I know from your post history, you seem to like PRC, but please understand that I have a personal grudge against the CCP, I was the second child (precisely a second son so there was no exemption whatsoever) in my family born during the One Child Policy, I really hate the fact that they tried to terminate me when I was still a fetus, then afterwards deny my existence by refusing to issue my legal documents until they made my parents pay a huge fine… which feels like extortion IMO.
I feel like my existence in China is “illegal”, I feel rejected. I don’t wanna be there.
I have an existential crisis over it… I’m not even supposed to be alive in this world, I’m an anomoly.
According to google (I am not a lawyer) I don’t have it anymore the moment I got US citizenship
Yes, but if the US says you never actually had citizenship, maybe China will accept that.
If I had to leave the US, I rather go to Canada, Australia, or perhaps EU for asylum
I’ve heard they’ve made it harder to get asylum, and there’s often poor outcomes for asylum seekers, after Arab Spring. If you have a US passport and money to start a business or any extended family, you can stay for quite awhile. This applies to most of Asia too where US passport gets you 90 days on arrival, or 90 day evisa for vietnam. US passports are pretty powerful.
Or perhaps Taiwan, or maybe Singapore.
Never been to either, can’t tell you about it.
I have an existential crisis over it… I’m not even supposed to be alive in this world, I’m an anomoly.
Eh, it’s a different place now. My family who worked there in the 90s and 2000s had completely alien experiences to when I went there in last year. All I’m saying is it’d be wise to be aware of what options you have.
Eh, it’s a different place now. My family who worked there in the 90s and 2000s had completely alien experiences to when I went there in last year. All I’m saying is it’d be wise to be aware of what options you have.
Mental health acceptance is stilk a huge issue. My mom told me about a story where allegedly someone in either her village or a neighboring village (can’t even understand what exactly she said because I’m not as fluent in Cantonese as English) had a family that has a son that “doesn’t act normal” and instead of trying to help, they perceived him as a threat and just locked him inside the house, barely treated him like a human being and only fed him out of pity… like an animal on a barn…
And also my mom just told me a story on WeChat about in Guangdong, an autistic person that got accepted into a University but then they found out about his autism so they expelled him for that after he already got accepted. So yeah… that would’ve caused outrage in the west. There is not really an ADA equivalent in China.
My mother kinda lowkey hates me for having depression… can’t imagine what’s its like in China, everyone would just call me “lazy” or “useless eater” or some shit… China is very conservative, its MAGAland but with Chinese Characteristics.
Also, if I posted any of my posts that I posted here about my mother’s behaviors on the Chinese internet… oh jeez they’re gonna just attack me for being “unfilial”, at least westerners sort of sympathize. In China, parents are always right, the kids are always wrong.
My ideal country would be one with a lot of Asians (or more specifically, ethnic Han Chinese) but that are westernized. Cuz then I have safety of not having to deal with racism, but also not having to deal with conservative culture bullshit.
Like just build one massive island then gather all the Westernized ethnic Han Chinese there, build our own country, without authoritarian bullshit, then I’d be safe.
Mental health acceptance is stilk a huge issue
Yes, definitely. Mental health (and regular healthcare in some specific ways) definitely has room for improvement. Only panhandler I remember was a guy asking people for money, with what looked like his mother, saying he had depression.
Also, if I posted any of my posts that I posted here about my mother’s behaviors on the Chinese internet
Depends on who the audience is. I’ve seen quite a few Chinese, particularly LGBT+ posting about their parents on xhs, but presumably there’s not a lot of boomers in their algo.
My ideal country would be one with a lot of Asians (or more specifically, ethnic Han Chinese) but that are westernized
If you have Chinese citizenship, but your hukou is mainland China, can you get a job in Hong Kong? I didn’t like the few hours that I spent there, it’s expensive and charmless, but it’s pretty westernized.
Also maybe talk to people who live there, your mother sounds like she might have a specific agenda in which experiences she shares. That’s not to say abusive families aren’t a major issue. One chinese was confused that americans don’t beat their children, “even if the child is intentionally misbehaving”. She seemed to accept “children learn from their parents, so hit someone who doesn’t do what you want isn’t something I want to teach” tho. I didn’t investigate if that meant she sometimes beats the kid for behavior she believes is unintentional too.
His icon suggests Taiwanese.
Because they all connect to the Kremlin via a single washing machine CPU.
WiFi connected cameras were a mistake. Although, if people are going to use these mass surveillance devices, using it to find dogs is great. It needs cat detection too.
WiFi connected cameras were a mistake.
Double so, when people are doing auto thefts in neighborhoods, they’re using wifi jammers to block out the footage
Running cables is not possible in lots of homes and there are plenty of wired cameras that send video to corporate clouds. The mistake is allowing those corporations access to those videos. Camera output should be encrypted and only usable for the camera owner unless they choose to opt in to the corporate spy network.
The most appalling thing is the advertisers and whoever approved this live in a bubble where people are ok with massive surveillance, and don’t imagine people will freak out when they see how Amazon can watch them. At least Meta knows their users hate them but are hostages of their network, that’s why Meta buys or crushes competitors before they become too big. I’ve not seen that since a Ford’s VP bragging about how much Ford will know absoltuely everything you do with “your” car (is it really?) and backpedaled live as he realized journalists were horrified. That was a long time ago. Today it’s common.
Cancel prime too
Why anyone ever thinks empowering psychopathic companies is ever a good idea is beyond me. They ALWAYS fuck us over. Every damn time.
Why? They finally woke up to the fact they were being spied on and that they pay money for the privilege of doing so…
