Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All.
Important notes:
- I don’t use scripts.
- I don’t mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don’t like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It’s quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads “Appeal Granted, not a brigading member” but I’m still banned.
- I don’t troll.
WTF is going on here?
I banned you because you’re stupid. I’m smart and you’re stupid.
This was 2 mods that banned you across all the comms they mod, not a site-ban at least, though sitebans look like this too because of a workaround in place to ensure that a site-banned user’s content is purged (or something like that)
It’s possible they hit the wrong button/inputted wrong script command hence the “appeal granted” thing. I would reach out to the mod of those comms
I don’t have an issue with this instance being pro-AI, but I find it weird as fuck how harshly skeptics are treated
To clarify, we [admins] didn’t do this. It was a mod of the community that moderated lots of other communities that decided to ban them from everything
It’s been a common thing for awhile now, unfortunately. My .ee account was randomly banned from a bunch of comms because of being pro-ai or somesuch ridiculous thing.
It’s also common practice on .blahaj
Blahaj is specifically a safe environment for LGBTQ+ folks who usually face harassment elsewhere, pre-existing homophobia or transphobia is a totally valid reason to be banned pre-emptively in my opinion. The safe environment doesn’t exist if you just let anyone in and then ban them after they cause trouble.
(Using “you” in general here, not to mean you specifically, OP) if you’re hanging around outside a gay bar talking about how cool your schutzstaffel tattoo is, they aren’t going to let you inside the doors. Same idea here.
.blahaj admins/mods will ban you from every space they control for any reason they don’t like you. They will then just say that person was a bigot to try to avoid drama.
They do not have consistent moderation policies, and use their small amount of power maliciously.
They try to curate a group of people who will not question them and will tribalisticly defend the space no matter what.
.blahaj admins/mods will ban you from every space they control
I don’t moderate any communities outside of blahaj.
Finally someone that speaks out
the amount of gaslighting they do is enormous
And that group of people seem quite pleased with Ada’s strategy, she’s one of the most well loved moderators I’ve ever seen in any community.
If you don’t like it, that’s fine. The space isn’t for you.
I wouldn’t expect a community of handpicked loyalists to be unhappy with their idol.
If you don’t like it, that’s fine. The space isn’t for you.
This is the exact type of passive agressive tribalism she curates. Thanks for being the example i guess.
I agree I don’t feel safe there, it’s better for me to not contribute to that space and let it go the way of the lgbtq subs on reddit with their idol mods who could do no wrong.
It’s not a “common practice on blahaj”. It’s just how lemmy does instance bans.
I generally don’t community ban people, I tend to instance ban them, because if they’re breaking community rules, but not instance rules, it’s up the community mods to deal with, and if they’re breaking instance rules, they get an instance ban.
And when you instance ban someone, and choose to remove their content, that’s what it looks like in a modlog. It’s not because I’ve gone and selected a whole bunch of community bans. It’s just how lemmy works
I find it weird how harsh AI haters treat people who use it.
Depends on the usage:
- Generating images of witches - Not very harsh.
- Perpetrating genocide - Very harsh.
Could the same not be said of computers in general?
Yes, and how well do people treat Mark Zuckerbot?
He’s an android. Android is a phones not computers duh.
well how are you supposed to treat people who roll coal?
Like you’re doing right now?
Did you not know that data centres use a huge amount of electricity, or did you think your posting was environmentally free?
Have you ever gone on a vacation? Because if so you’ve polluted more from one trip than all my years of AI art.
On an individual level generating an image is barely more any more resource intensive than a Google search. So don’t try to pull that shit when you’re just as guilty as using computers, the internet, and electricity for your personal enjoyment.
People are assholes to people who disagree with them, no matter the topic.
You can find examples of people on each ‘side’ being assholes. Social media teaches people to be outraged, not to have any empathy.
As a Mac guy since the 90s, I can tell the hate and bile against AI is on another level, though. Relatively speaking.
I also recognize that the environmental and societal impacts of AI are why it’s so different from your typical fanboy/platform/lifestyle argument.
Like, that guy commenting about AI here does not really deserve the -4 votes his comment had when I started writing this.
I also think r/singularity types are off the deep end too. The way they are frothing at the mouth for societal collapse/UBI/etc is wild.
You can find examples of people on each ‘side’ being assholes
Very true!
A lot of peope consider it immoral.
Those same people probably find intellectual property moral, so immoral people themselves.
Oh, so you don’t really have a proper grasp on the issue, huh?
You see, creators create things because they need money to provide food, shelter, etc
AI directly steals from creators so that it can attempt to reproduce something to replace them.
So you can be over here like “blahblah you don’t have a right to defend your intellectual property blahblah”, but no reasonable adult will ever take you seriously. Because you are advocating for the dissolution of jobs and attacking livelihoods.
So shut up! :)
Congratulations you’ve discovered capitalism is the enemy.
No reasonable leftist will ever take you seriously if you want to fight for the status quo.
So go fuck yourself! :)
Yes, capitalism IS bad. Labor is stolen and exploited for profit by people who added nothing or next to nothing. Sound familiar?
No, you absolute child, it is LAUGHABLE for you to consider yourself a “leftist”.
Real leftists advocate for harm reduction, meaning that defending individual creator’s IP rights are a MUST, at least until capitalism is abolished.
In other words… got anything intelligent to say, or just going to keep saying stupid shit?
Liberals advocate for harm reduction. Leftists advocate for revolution.
Thats a capitalism problem, not an AI problem. AI is just the most recent example.
They shouldn’t have to rely on maybe getting paid so they can have food, shelter, and other basic things for living.
Right… but they do… so…
Irrelevant until we fix that problem. And guess what? Advocating for AI in the meantime is only going to give more power to corporations :) so great job, bud!
I dont advocate for corporate AI.
I’d also mention most users on db0 are far more likely to be using fully open models and models they’ve trained themselves (which is what I do, mostly log/error eval stuff).
That said, “fixing” AI will solve nothing, because capitalism is going to find yet another way to screw them over. Banning AI tomorrow isn’t going to provide job security or a stable income, it wasn’t before and it isn’t now.
I work with a lot of creatives, and so many are contract based and struggle between them. Several of them have been finding work cleaning up (as in, creating new) materials that were AI generated and look terrible.
So again, the issue is capitalism, and AI is just the most recent conversation piece. AI isn’t the root of the problem, nor is the problem “solved” without it.
This just in: Technology makes some jobs obsolete. More at 11.
Right, did you miss the part where the AIs are usually trained using stolen data and also consume huge amounts of energy? Why are you defending AI rn? 🥱
Did I miss the part where you made a terrible argument and are now pivoting to something else?
Nope sure didn’t.
I find it weird as fuck how harshly skeptics are treated
It’s reactionary, they’ll get trolled to hell otherwise.
I moderate a community on Reddit which allowed AI posts. Until recently, the community got less than one AI post per month. Regardless, every post would get an onslaught of hateful comments and false reports full of curses.
Recently, the subreddit got a few more AI images than usual. Less than a third of the posts over the last month before I personally removed multiple of them for quality reasons. The accepted consensus between commenters, however, was the opposite of this reality.
Not to say the actions of this mod were correct, in fact it seems ridiculous. This is just to answer why they would be harsh.
Db0ero is explicitely pro AI
I would guess the Mod has gone full shizo and banned you from the whole instance and everywhere he could because you downvoted an AI generated image.
Banned Luffy@lemmy.ml from the community Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
reason: Ableist comments, abusive towards mods. Was given the opportunity to edit their comment and they did not.
duration: 7 days
Was this seriously for “the Mod has gone full shizo”? “Ableist”?
That’s so fucking stupid. Where’s the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for db0?
Holy fuck this guy should not have had any action brought against them for that comment.
Seriously embarrassing behavor from the mods.
@unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com - keep going mask-off.
Ban me too, cripplebrain. I am Spartacus.
My pleasure
yeah, it was. do you wanna cop a ban too? cause if you use that sort of language here, I bet you’ll get one as well.
if you’re the sort of person who thinks using that sort of language is fine, then we won’t be losing anything worthwhile.
I don’t use it, but I also believe context obviously tells you that it was meant as a bad choice for “crazy” / “obsessive” and not a discrimination against those people
No need to minimod and taunt
Ah, the good old “ignorance is an excuse”. Too bad it’s bullshit, huh?
Why would you always assume the worse? That’s a great way to get offended at anything and to easily censor people while only giving your narrative
I don’t make it a habit of downvoting images simply because they’re AI-gen, but there are well-done ones and horrible ones just like any images. Do they really ban for simply downvoting ANY AI image? That’s… kind of a lot.
I’m still trying to get my head around people giving votes that much attention. Maybe Lemmy has started getting refugees from other places that live and die by the arrows.
Someone go in there and do the same thing and see what happens. I would but you’ve probably picked up on my apathy by this point.
Because votes = views.
If you make something and it instantly gets to -2 within seconds because of bot/trolls it means no one will ever see it.
Well luckily it was just AI slop and they didn’t actually make anything.
Creativity is in the idea.
Drawing is dexterity not creativity.
What is important is that what they made reflected what they wanted to, not that they used a pencil or a stylus.
Disagree. Creativity is in the idea, the composition, and the execution.
A prompter hardly even has the idea in the first place.On top of that: “drawing” is labor.
Tell that to Andy Warhol.
Preach, brother!
Well luckily it was just AI slop and they didn’t actually make anything.
Meh, I actually have a very successful side business selling things with AI slop all over them. So there is something I make with it: money. I make more money from that than my retirement check. lol
That’s embarrassing. I’m surprised you would admit that even in pseudonymity.
Embarrassing for you, maybe. Obviously, not embarrassing for me.
I’m just riding the wave while it lasts. I don’t treat it like a real job. More like skimming cream off the top while the corrupt capitalist system lumbers along. I know the window for making money this way is probably short, but that just makes it sweeter.
The megacorps are raking in billions, and I get to sneak in, steal the product that they’ve already stolen, and laugh all the way to my tiny bank. They build the machines, pump out the slop, and flood the world with it. I just show up with a spoon.
Picture a giant bull in a field, stuffing its face. Flies swarm around it, laying eggs in the shit. And I’m a little scruffy bird perched on its back, snacking on the flies and soaking up the ride. The bull does all the work. I just feast on the ecosystem it creates.
I grow fat off the slop that megacorp capitalists overproduce. I use them, instead of them using me. That’s the game, friend. Delicious.
You’re fighting a fight you can’t win. AI isn’t going anywhere. I’m just adapting to the situation. And laughing.
That’s very capitalist of you
I’m using their own methods against them. No regrets.
every time i learn something new about you it’s so on-brand
Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
Not related to the OP here, but downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn’t just downvote randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
Fair enough. I tend to block before down voting and that’s rare. Haven’t thought of how much votes actually matter, but obviously it does on the smaller scale.
I should also add that 2 or the accounts I banned literally had no post or comment history despite being active for years. Their only purpose was to downvote.
Thank you for limiting your bans to people who were actual serial down voters and not just someone who happened to down vote a single post.
reddit monitors upvotes/downvotes heavily, maybe they are coming from reddit, in addition reddit are using other nebelous reasons to ban people in a sub.
The mods that banned me for ‘systemic down voting’ and ‘anti-ai harassment’ because I down voted a few AI posts and didn’t feel bad also lectured me about how horrible down voting is and how much it hurts the fediverse.
My upvote to down vote ratio is far better than either of those two mods.
I’ve seen quite a few people banned for downvotes in comms. It always makes me wonder what they think lurkers do.
They assume anyone who down votes without commenting is brigading.
Oh i know that. I’m saying it’s crazy because it just bans more lurkers than anyone. We’re probably on the same page.
I just said to another here in this thread: Downvotes hurt visibility. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn’t just downvote randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
Yeah, the mods who are doing this appear to believe lurkers don’t exist and anyone who doesn’t make a comment but down votes is part of a brigade.
that should teach ya
No, they don’t. This guy doesn’t know what they’re talking about. This community is part of dbzer0, so if you were banned from the instance you wouldn’t be able to post here either.
What is ‘drive by down voting’?
People (or bots) who go through a thread or comm and just downvote everything without otherwise engaging with the thread or comm.
It personally doesn’t bother me, but I can see why some find it distasteful.
Yes, a few of the mods will ban anyone who downvotes AI or misinformation without making a comment or because you downvoted ‘too many times’ or some other bullshit. My ‘systemic downvoting’ and ‘anti-ai harassment’ community bans are for downvoting a few posts and not being sorry about it.
i discovered i have several community bans for being an anti-ai troll. i find that so odd because like… i’m not trolling, i genuinely have concerns about a litany of issues surrounding ai such as the environmental cost, the double standard of corporate theft being okay and piracy being a serious crime, the ways the ai corporation ceos want to use ai vs how any technology should benefit the populace. i have a viewpoint, not an agenda. i also think and post about a wide variety of other topics. that said, if an ai community wants to block me, that’s fine, i was probably going to block them too. not because i think they’re wrong to have their community, but because i have zero interest in engaging there. it’s like how i block all communities in languages i don’t speak. it’s not an act of me censoring or hating them. it’s just me cleaning up my feed because it doesn’t make sense to be there
i have a viewpoint, not an agenda.
But on Lemmy, that’s a rare thing. Most have an agenda.
I work in IT and think AI is the second biggest threat to the planet in the next 10 years.
100% guarantee that LLMs have already been instantiated on murderbot hardware
You don’t need to speculate or go “I guarantee”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_Gaza_Strip
samesies. it’s grifters leading the blind in that field and it’s already had devastating effects in certain areas
They shouldn’t be. I’ve messaged the two mods and asked them to respond, because I don’t know the details.
We found the answer (kinda)! It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
“Create more slop” is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM’d the the mod in response to that post:
Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.
So we’ve effectively solved the first part, but not the three Stable Diffusion parts… Those also seem to line up with another single downvote a month later. Again, hardly brigading or vote manipulation.
EDIT: Huh. Looks like we had someone in this thread downvoting nearly every post in here.
if it is draconic who’s downvoting that would be a hilarious lack of self reflection. Is there any way to check?
Mods or Admin can. I can’t.
Ew what, I didn’t know this. I always just saw them as the anarchist friendly instance and I blocked all the ai communities so I guess I didn’t notice the correlation. Thats actually dissapointing
Oh no the transphobic genocide deniers are disappointed!
Lol.
It’s dbzer0, and that’s the instance this comm is hosted on. So no, none of the Admins of the instance “went schizo”.
I never said admin.
You said “banned you from the whole instance”, which isn’t something a moderator can do. Only admins can do instance wide bans, moderators are limited to bans from their own comms.
It wasn’t unreasonable to think you were mixing up moderator and admin. Plenty of people did during the first reddit exodus, and still do.
When you see a wall of bans from a dozen communities it looks nearly identical to site wide bans.
Don’t use ableist language in a community where both of the mods are neurodiverse.
It’s annoying that the amount the general public cares about schizophrenic people is often less than they care about changing the words they speak.
sidenotes
This is common with a lot of disability-related terms, I expect this usage to decrease over time similar to how usage of ‘retard’ has.
I am unsure whether [‘schizophrenic people’ or ‘people with schizophrenia’] is correct here, I am going based off of what I have heard about [‘autistic people’ vs ‘people with autism’] as I could not find relevant information online.
Have you considered perhaps not just saying the r-slur.
I don’t say that either.
You… Literally said it in your post. Big fucking shock to my system.
original comment, see edit first
are you kidding me
EDIT: I was confused by her saying ‘post’: I think she’s referring to my usage in the sidenote, which was intended as an example of [slurs towards disabled people that are no longer used], whereas I thought she was saying that I used them casually.
I don’t think discussing slurs is harmful to society in the same way that using them directly (as an epithet) is.
Despite this, I understand some people have strongly-negative reactions to seeing them, so I have added a content warning to the section.
Your edit is correct
I dont think its harmful to society, no, but as you say, some people have strong negative reactions to hearing or seeing them. Appreciate you changing it.
well most people with schizophrenia dont really consider themselves schizophrenic. it takes a lot of work to even get to that point of recognition. so you’re really looking for ways to destigmatize the experience of psychosis in general to encourage people to be open to acknowledging it and not worrying about all the social repercussions of being “crazy” and just be willing to find another explanation for the bizarre experiences theyve been having . unfortunately the very definition of delusion is that it persists in the face of evidence to the contrary! and to think that one’s beliefs have no ground in reality. it’s a lot to swallow!
honestly the best way to phrase it would probably be something like “had a break from reality” or similar
The “person-first” formation is debated. Some people like it, some don’t. I think most people don’t care. I would assume, like most similar things, it was started by someone with only a tangential connection to the subject.
Just gonna downvote this in solidarity.
There have been frequent brigades of late in ai communities by anti-AI folks.
Your downvote likely coincided in timing and appeared as part of another downvote brigade.
Wouldn’t one glance at my long-standing profile and the fact that it was only a single vote over nearly a dozen communities indicate that it’s not part of a brigade?
I’d say that it was the dozen communities that made it seem like it was a brigade, as well as an attempt to avoid getting caught by only having one each across a dozen communities.
Edit: a whole word was missing.
Not when you’re using AI to silence criticism of AI. Laziness and ineptitude are a feature not a bug.
Wut?
self important to think your profile deserved a single look. ;) dont worry about it mate. these are jsut made of 1s and 0s.
And this is exactly why the fediverse needs private voting.
Eh. I see arguments both ways. Public votes makes it easier to catch bad faith (downvote bots) and manipulation. However, it allows abuse from touchy or unscrupulous mods. TBH, I’m personally more concerned with the bots. Everything is federated to one can pickup and move elsewhere of they’re on the receiving end of such a mod.
If one becomes active on another instance with the same name it is highly likely the same mods will just ban the other user account too, so moving isn’t helpful.
Oh, I meant that one can start a new community on the new instance to remove the problematic mod from the picture. Not that one should try to engage in ban evasion.
fediverse needs no voting
So brigading small communities can be easier?
When you assume a single downvote is brigading…
Across multiple communities, all the same subject, a singular downvote in each…
Obviously this is just my guess, but that’s what I would probably think based on what’s been going on.
Snoogums is correct, there was one downvote in one of those Communities, not in multiple. It was not in any way vote manipulation or brigading. Apologies if you’re reading something else, but I felt I was being quite clear with my wording.
My mistake then, it read (to me) like you were saying you down voted once, in each of the communities you were banned from.
Then all I could guess was timing. Multiple communities might depend on what client they are using, but in any case a single downvote to a ban rings as mod silliness to me, I agree.
Actually, if you read the post they said it was a single down vote, not one for each community. They even said some of the communities don’t even have a single post to down vote.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history** I downvoted one post in one of them**
You are ‘guessing’ the opposite of what actually happened, which is consistent with other dbzer0 AI fanatics who treat a single down vote as brigading.
Thats not how their reply reads to me, but your attitude and responses dont interest me. So I’ll be done from here, enjoy your day.
Would’ve had a lot more respect for you if you’d just been able to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence, but this type of “everyone’s dumb beliefs are valid” response is the cause of a whole host of other problems so clearly that was too optimistic.
Nah, just have no interest in people who behave like babies.
Your respect means nothing to me in any way, so… enjoy not having any for me I guess?
You have no interest in yourself?
I will continue to enjoy it, thanks!
Hit the nail on the head matey.
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Disabling downvotes can avoid such drama. Some instances do.
Rare to see a beehaw user so far away from spawn.
How did you reply to them? I thought beehaw defederated LW
Beehaw is defed from world, but not vice versa, so when a DB0 community announces a beehaw comment it sends it to world who accepts the comment. The Beehaw user won’t be able to see the reply though.
Reading this: https://helge.codeberg.page/fep/final/fep-1b12/
Would LW blindly trust that the object in thewait nvm, beehaw has auth-fetch off.announceactivity exists? I assumed it would try to fetch it to verify it, and beehaw would refuse to serve it
Maybe they just don’t see my reply, then.
PTB
I’ve had very inconsistent moderation experiences on dbzer0
I’m sure some were because of this guy.
Db0 has unhinged mods, and an admin that doesn’t give a shit about it. Simple as.
You mean the admin who built fediseer and threativore and a bunch of other tooling to enable a better lemmy experience for everyone, and has run one of the most popular lemmy instances for years? The same admin who introduced radical recalls to allow instance members to vote out mods they don’t like, and encourages community voting for all new policies? Sure bro, if you say so. But why are you even here if you think that?
Removed by mod
fediseer which is basically “get approved by me or people I approved, or get fucked”
they basically have absolute power in this system
The guy you’re replying to needs to show some evidence, but do you have more than a paragraph of your thoughts to back up any of your claims?
What claims?
Edit: The claims of harassment and bullying? Yes, see here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521
I’m not that guy, but “Actually, boiling the planet for the sake of plagiarized pseudoart is an act of anticapitalist resistance” doesn’t seem like a position anyone would argue in good faith.
Pretending that an open source AI model that folks run on their own PCs is somehow burning the planet down is nonsense. I have no love for corporate bootlickers or corporate AIs. Although the fuckAI folks have this fantasy we are all pro AI-techno bros on db0, I can’t remember the last time I used genAI or any sort of AI for anything.
I agree with many of the arguments about the potential for corporate AI being used to cause massive harm to workers and society at large. But that’s not what any of our Stable Diffusion communities use, for example. That’s all open source and locally run, and folks who use it can decide to donate some of their PC’s resources to help others with the processing, a bit like FoldingAtHome works.
These images use no more energy that it would take to play a game for 60 seconds. Your arguments are simply invalid for the genAI images on our instance.
Local AI models are not more efficient than corporate ones - you might not need as much energy as a datacenter for cooling, but the actual GPUs and the software that runs on them are similar enough that the necessary enery per image is effectively the same.
Stable Diffusion might be open-source software by some definition of the word, but it was trained on mostly the same unlicensed data as the commercial models, so using it is still plagiarism.
If you don’t want to be mistaken for techbros, you might want to avoid parroting their talking points.
For your first point, using gen AI cannot exceed the usage that my rig goes through during heavy gaming, so there is no difference in my carbon footprint because gaming and gen AI is all my PC is used for. And I’m not going to give up gaming for climate change either.
For your second point, copyright and intellectual property is a figment of your imagination, and one that I just don’t respect or accept as reality. Therefore, anything that any artist makes is as much my property as theirs, and I’ll do what I want with it because the whole idea of artists “owning” shit is capitalist bullshit.
Radical Recalls: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38328295
Public Vote Banning Twitter Links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36484194
Threativor: https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/35557475
Governance Community: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35725820
WTF is going on here?
Illegal Voter Suppression, Appeal to the #Lemmy Supreme Court™, actually nvm it’s packed with partisan hacks.
no no, you don’t understand, they are the Good Ones. And anyone else who isn’t 100% in agreement with them is the Bad People.
The same user quietly banned me from all their communities for being a “Zionazi apologist” (which couldn’t be further from the truth) and it took me over 3 months to even notice.
They are just a special kind of idiot and I hope they don’t ever get to mod communities that are actually relevant.
How do you know who banned you
Because there’s only one account modding in those communities. Some Lemmy UIs also let you see which mod took action in the modlog.
I mean it’s 2025 on the internet. If you don’t like someone says you either ban them, or tell them they are mentally ill/bigot/nazi.
You can no longer just let other people have different opinions. Everyone who disagrees with you is now an evil demonic force that needs purging from your community/life.
Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
That’s just DB0. If they aren’t banning anyone, they can’t feel like they’re making a difference. I swear them and blahaj have monthly ban quotas. “Another bigot destroyed by my hand of justice!” lmao, sit down, mall cop!
I’ll give anyone a cookie if they can find one singular post by me of me being a transphobe.
As a matter of fact, I DARE a blahaj mod to even find a single post of me being a transphobe.
Whoa, I thought only the conservative mods were pulling this
Which mods are those?
Here’s a fun read: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=13008854
I would have used their server but lemmy.today doesn’t let you filter by mod.
Wow, I had no idea there was any presence for them on this side of the defederation wall. Thanks for sharing
EDIT: this dude’s ideology is all over the place, it’s like deciphering an alien civilization
What kind of person bans links to Fox News and then posts links to Breitbart - all while advocating empathy in the sidebar?
Well, both of those are right-wing media, so I would think it obvious.
The mystery is why the more more “mainstream” news source (Fox) is banned but the fringe/conspiratorial Breitbart is not only not banned but makes up a good third of the posts that he does.
Mind you, a whole other third is from the New York Post which is also a Murdoch property?
I invite you to propose the ideological framework that explains all of that - the closest I can come up with is libertarian
I dare not gaze too long into that abyss.
I can confirm it stares back
The lemmy.today conservatives strike again!
there’s a lot of conservative / AI bro crossover.
You think only conservatives mods would want to create safe positive environments for their users?
I don’t think that’s at all what conservatives want to do.
I don’t think that’s what these mods were doing either.
No, they want to control the narrative. This guy set his comm to mod-post-only. It’s his private blog. They’re not making a safe place for others, they’re making a safe place for themself.
Well that’s equally as fine as well.
No is fucking not. You don’t make a functional community by banning everything you personally disagree with… That’s LITERALLY just a dumbass echo chamber.
If it’s literally a place only for them, they clearly are not building a community.
And if they were building a community, removing haters goes a long way to making it tolerable.
It’d be fine if they weren’t spewing their content across the fediverse. It should be fair game to discuss it no matter what opinion, short of hateful, it is.
You seem to conveniently be forgetting the part where they ban on personal preference. It’s in the context of this entire discussion.
Interesting how you defend the echo chamber, though…
It was clearly based on voting, not personal preference.
And why wouldn’t I defend not having to deal with arseholes coming by and shitting on everything? I deal with it so often that I have zero patience for it.
I just block the comms I don’t care about, can recommend.
Including that AI generated low effort crap. I don’t get the point of sharing that stuff, when you can generate your own if you want. But nowadays I don’t get many things anymore.
After reading this thread I gather the following.
OP says they browse all and if they see content they don’t like they downvote. They say it’s not a conscious move to brigade or anything.
Some mod pointed out that for some of those communities OP only downvoted them, never upvoted a single post or contributed in any meaningful way.
I don’t even see why OP is angry with being ban from communities they obviously don’t like. I seems like those are AI communities and when OP sees an AI post on All they downvote. Why want OP those communities keep being part of their feed? Why complain for being banned if they don’t like their content.
It doesn’t make much sense to me. If I was banned of a community that makes a content that I heavily dislike and that I’m actively saying I dislike it via downvotes I wouldn’t care on the slightest. I should probably just block the community to begin with.
If some of those communities ban are not AI content communities and the ban is thus unjustified I can see an appeal to uplifting that ban. And the reason for the ban could be a little more cordial. But I really don’t know why OP wants to get unbanned from communities they don’t like. Which introduced the evident skepticism that maybe (just maybe) there is an intention, more or less focused, of just trying to negatively influence AI communities without being a part of them. Which IMHO would guarantee a ban.
I think general Fediverse etiquette is that if you see some place that does things that you don’t like that are both legal and in line with instance rule then you should just issue a personal block to that space, not trying to downvote it to affect their visibility or reputation, as other people may like that space.
I don’t even see why OP is angry with being ban from communities they obviously don’t like. I seems like those are AI communities and when OP sees an AI post on All they downvote.
OP down voted ONE post. Not even one post per community.
Reading other comment of both the OP and mods from that communities. Have been stated that there were multiple downvotes over the course of several months.
Non-biased explanation: in the initial image, you can see two “ban waves.”
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community.
The other bans from two months ago are from four downvotes over a 10 month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don’t have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
The thing is, AFAIK, the ban only preclude you from voting, commenting and posting. From all of those actions it seems that only the downvote button was used. So, not much was loss.
I think the modlog message was too harsh, that’s true. And I don’t know if the ban is deserved or not.
It’s true that if there was an initial wave of bans for one downvote, and after that only the downvote button was used until the second wave, it seems unlikely that there was going to be other interactions. And if we add the factor that some other user pointed out that you may have a higher than usual upvote/downvote rate. So maybe the mods knew what they were doing.
Or maybe baning for just a few downvotes is not justified.
But what I have doubts about is why it’s so important to make this post. If it seems that you never saw anything you liked on those communities, and most of them are really small communities, some without even any posts. That’s what questions me.
I understand the mod pov and motives, their communities get frequently brigaded so they are extra (probably overly) cautious with downvote behavior of people who doesn’t engage with the community.
But I don’t really know if you want the ban revoked, if you want to actually engage with those communities in other way, or what are the intentions here.
I was subscribed to one of the communities that I was banned from and was in there pretty regularly.
If I’m unbanned or not, that is ultimately up to the mods. I’m not really stumping for it one way or the other.
My main purpose here would be essentially to say that these kinds (multi-community, permanent, and over very light and expected interactions from normal people) of bans are not justified and perhaps mods should rethink the process and not assume the worst of everyone.
Fair point then, well explained.
I think ultimately I do agree with you. A few downvotes shouldn’t be a reason for a multi community permanent ban.
STOP COMMENTING! You have 420 comments. If you comment any more you’ll ruin it.
Several over months, whoop de fucking doo.
Why did you downvoted me?
I’m just giving you information that’s already disclosed on the thread and my own unimportant opinion.
The default version of up and down votes are described in the lemmy docs, which I agree with, and this instance and community do not have rules that supersede it.
Lemmy uses a voting system to sort post listings. On the left side of each post there are up and down arrows, which let you upvote or downvote it. You can upvote posts that you like so that more users will see them, or downvote posts so that they are less likely to be seen.
It was such a ridiculously irrelevant point to make that the post was worse for having it. If you feel my comments are the same, feel free to down vote them.
I don’t think it was ridiculous.
It’s not the same one single downvote than 4 downvotes without any single upvote. One downvote says nothing, several indicate a pattern.
OP says that some bans come from a single downvote. And others come from the mentioned 4 downvotes over several months. Which actually makes me question if mods banned anyone who made a single downvote, or if any other criteria was followed.
I’m not “like that” with downvotes. I mostly downvote rude people. Or maybe people with opinions I consider harmful. Any other opinion politely expressed I don’t think there’s any reason to try to preclude others to see it.
Surely I don’t see the point of downvoting a question that was only directed to you and that you have already read 😅 the intended user that needed to see that comment already did, so there was little point with the downvote, isn’t it?
One downvote says nothing, several indicate a pattern.
Not spread over months they don’t.
It takes literally microseconds to to up or down vote as opposed to writing a multiparagraph comment about how other people are ‘down voting wrong’.
