Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
Important notes:
- I don’t use scripts.
- I don’t mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don’t like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It’s quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads “Appeal Granted, not a brigading member” but I’m still banned.
- I don’t troll.
WTF is going on here?
EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two “ban waves.”
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don’t have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as “3 months ago” in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being “self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader” which are two things I didn’t claim to be. God dammit Lemmy…
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Then you check some of those communities and there’s like less than 10 posts in them.
There’s more banned people than content.
If they are such tiny communities then the question is why do so many trolls go out of their way to find them, downvote everything, and harass/bully the mods? Not saying that was the case in this instance, but it’s been an ongoing problem, which is why the mods are a bit twitchy I guess.
I don’t have an issue with this instance being pro-AI, but I find it weird as fuck how harshly skeptics are treated
I find it weird as fuck how harshly skeptics are treated
It’s reactionary, they’ll get trolled to hell otherwise.
I moderate a community on Reddit which allowed AI posts. Until recently, the community got less than one AI post per month. Regardless, every post would get an onslaught of hateful comments and false reports full of curses.
Recently, the subreddit got a few more AI images than usual. Less than a third of the posts over the last month before I personally removed multiple of them for quality reasons. The accepted consensus between commenters, however, was the opposite of this reality.
Not to say the actions of this mod were correct, in fact it seems ridiculous. This is just to answer why they would be harsh.
I find it weird how harsh AI haters treat people who use it.
Depends on the usage:
- Generating images of witches - Not very harsh.
- Perpetrating genocide - Very harsh.
Could the same not be said of computers in general?
Yes, and how well do people treat Mark Zuckerbot?
He’s an android. Android is a phones not computers duh.
People are assholes to people who disagree with them, no matter the topic.
You can find examples of people on each ‘side’ being assholes. Social media teaches people to be outraged, not to have any empathy.
As a Mac guy since the 90s, I can tell the hate and bile against AI is on another level, though. Relatively speaking.
I also recognize that the environmental and societal impacts of AI are why it’s so different from your typical fanboy/platform/lifestyle argument.
Like, that guy commenting about AI here does not really deserve the -4 votes his comment had when I started writing this.
I also think r/singularity types are off the deep end too. The way they are frothing at the mouth for societal collapse/UBI/etc is wild.
You can find examples of people on each ‘side’ being assholes
Very true!
well how are you supposed to treat people who roll coal?
Like you’re doing right now?
Did you not know that data centres use a huge amount of electricity, or did you think your posting was environmentally free?
Have you ever gone on a vacation? Because if so you’ve polluted more from one trip than all my years of AI art.
On an individual level generating an image is barely more any more resource intensive than a Google search. So don’t try to pull that shit when you’re just as guilty as using computers, the internet, and electricity for your personal enjoyment.
A lot of peope consider it immoral.
Those same people probably find intellectual property moral, so immoral people themselves.
Oh, so you don’t really have a proper grasp on the issue, huh?
You see, creators create things because they need money to provide food, shelter, etc
AI directly steals from creators so that it can attempt to reproduce something to replace them.
So you can be over here like “blahblah you don’t have a right to defend your intellectual property blahblah”, but no reasonable adult will ever take you seriously. Because you are advocating for the dissolution of jobs and attacking livelihoods.
So shut up! :)
This just in: Technology makes some jobs obsolete. More at 11.
Right, did you miss the part where the AIs are usually trained using stolen data and also consume huge amounts of energy? Why are you defending AI rn? 🥱
Did I miss the part where you made a terrible argument and are now pivoting to something else?
Nope sure didn’t.
Congratulations you’ve discovered capitalism is the enemy.
No reasonable leftist will ever take you seriously if you want to fight for the status quo.
So go fuck yourself! :)
Yes, capitalism IS bad. Labor is stolen and exploited for profit by people who added nothing or next to nothing. Sound familiar?
No, you absolute child, it is LAUGHABLE for you to consider yourself a “leftist”.
Real leftists advocate for harm reduction, meaning that defending individual creator’s IP rights are a MUST, at least until capitalism is abolished.
In other words… got anything intelligent to say, or just going to keep saying stupid shit?
Liberals advocate for harm reduction. Leftists advocate for revolution.
Thats a capitalism problem, not an AI problem. AI is just the most recent example.
They shouldn’t have to rely on maybe getting paid so they can have food, shelter, and other basic things for living.
Right… but they do… so…
Irrelevant until we fix that problem. And guess what? Advocating for AI in the meantime is only going to give more power to corporations :) so great job, bud!
I dont advocate for corporate AI.
I’d also mention most users on db0 are far more likely to be using fully open models and models they’ve trained themselves (which is what I do, mostly log/error eval stuff).
That said, “fixing” AI will solve nothing, because capitalism is going to find yet another way to screw them over. Banning AI tomorrow isn’t going to provide job security or a stable income, it wasn’t before and it isn’t now.
I work with a lot of creatives, and so many are contract based and struggle between them. Several of them have been finding work cleaning up (as in, creating new) materials that were AI generated and look terrible.
So again, the issue is capitalism, and AI is just the most recent conversation piece. AI isn’t the root of the problem, nor is the problem “solved” without it.
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It’s been a common thing for awhile now, unfortunately. My .ee account was randomly banned from a bunch of comms because of being pro-ai or somesuch ridiculous thing.
It’s also common practice on .blahaj
It’s not a “common practice on blahaj”. It’s just how lemmy does instance bans.
I generally don’t community ban people, I tend to instance ban them, because if they’re breaking community rules, but not instance rules, it’s up the community mods to deal with, and if they’re breaking instance rules, they get an instance ban.
And when you instance ban someone, and choose to remove their content, that’s what it looks like in a modlog. It’s not because I’ve gone and selected a whole bunch of community bans. It’s just how lemmy works
Blahaj is specifically a safe environment for LGBTQ+ folks who usually face harassment elsewhere, pre-existing homophobia or transphobia is a totally valid reason to be banned pre-emptively in my opinion. The safe environment doesn’t exist if you just let anyone in and then ban them after they cause trouble.
(Using “you” in general here, not to mean you specifically, OP) if you’re hanging around outside a gay bar talking about how cool your schutzstaffel tattoo is, they aren’t going to let you inside the doors. Same idea here.
.blahaj admins/mods will ban you from every space they control for any reason they don’t like you. They will then just say that person was a bigot to try to avoid drama.
They do not have consistent moderation policies, and use their small amount of power maliciously.
They try to curate a group of people who will not question them and will tribalisticly defend the space no matter what.
And that group of people seem quite pleased with Ada’s strategy, she’s one of the most well loved moderators I’ve ever seen in any community.
If you don’t like it, that’s fine. The space isn’t for you.
I wouldn’t expect a community of handpicked loyalists to be unhappy with their idol.
If you don’t like it, that’s fine. The space isn’t for you.
This is the exact type of passive agressive tribalism she curates. Thanks for being the example i guess.
I agree I don’t feel safe there, it’s better for me to not contribute to that space and let it go the way of the lgbtq subs on reddit with their idol mods who could do no wrong.
.blahaj admins/mods will ban you from every space they control
I don’t moderate any communities outside of blahaj.
Finally someone that speaks out
the amount of gaslighting they do is enormous
Db0ero is explicitely pro AI
I would guess the Mod has gone full shizo and banned you from the whole instance and everywhere he could because you downvoted an AI generated image.
Ew what, I didn’t know this. I always just saw them as the anarchist friendly instance and I blocked all the ai communities so I guess I didn’t notice the correlation. Thats actually dissapointing
Oh no the transphobic genocide deniers are disappointed!
Lol.
I don’t make it a habit of downvoting images simply because they’re AI-gen, but there are well-done ones and horrible ones just like any images. Do they really ban for simply downvoting ANY AI image? That’s… kind of a lot.
No, they don’t. This guy doesn’t know what they’re talking about. This community is part of dbzer0, so if you were banned from the instance you wouldn’t be able to post here either.
What is ‘drive by down voting’?
People (or bots) who go through a thread or comm and just downvote everything without otherwise engaging with the thread or comm.
It personally doesn’t bother me, but I can see why some find it distasteful.
They shouldn’t be. I’ve messaged the two mods and asked them to respond, because I don’t know the details.
We found the answer (kinda)! It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
“Create more slop” is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM’d the the mod in response to that post:
Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.
So we’ve effectively solved the first part, but not the three Stable Diffusion parts… Those also seem to line up with another single downvote a month later. Again, hardly brigading or vote manipulation.
EDIT: Huh. Looks like we had someone in this thread downvoting nearly every post in here.
if it is draconic who’s downvoting that would be a hilarious lack of self reflection. Is there any way to check?
Mods or Admin can. I can’t.
Yes, a few of the mods will ban anyone who downvotes AI or misinformation without making a comment or because you downvoted ‘too many times’ or some other bullshit. My ‘systemic downvoting’ and ‘anti-ai harassment’ community bans are for downvoting a few posts and not being sorry about it.
i discovered i have several community bans for being an anti-ai troll. i find that so odd because like… i’m not trolling, i genuinely have concerns about a litany of issues surrounding ai such as the environmental cost, the double standard of corporate theft being okay and piracy being a serious crime, the ways the ai corporation ceos want to use ai vs how any technology should benefit the populace. i have a viewpoint, not an agenda. i also think and post about a wide variety of other topics. that said, if an ai community wants to block me, that’s fine, i was probably going to block them too. not because i think they’re wrong to have their community, but because i have zero interest in engaging there. it’s like how i block all communities in languages i don’t speak. it’s not an act of me censoring or hating them. it’s just me cleaning up my feed because it doesn’t make sense to be there
I work in IT and think AI is the second biggest threat to the planet in the next 10 years.
samesies. it’s grifters leading the blind in that field and it’s already had devastating effects in certain areas
100% guarantee that LLMs have already been instantiated on murderbot hardware
You don’t need to speculate or go “I guarantee”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_Gaza_Strip
i have a viewpoint, not an agenda.
But on Lemmy, that’s a rare thing. Most have an agenda.
I’m still trying to get my head around people giving votes that much attention. Maybe Lemmy has started getting refugees from other places that live and die by the arrows.
Someone go in there and do the same thing and see what happens. I would but you’ve probably picked up on my apathy by this point.
reddit monitors upvotes/downvotes heavily, maybe they are coming from reddit, in addition reddit are using other nebelous reasons to ban people in a sub.
Because votes = views.
If you make something and it instantly gets to -2 within seconds because of bot/trolls it means no one will ever see it.
Well luckily it was just AI slop and they didn’t actually make anything.
Well luckily it was just AI slop and they didn’t actually make anything.
Meh, I actually have a very successful side business selling things with AI slop all over them. So there is something I make with it: money. I make more money from that than my retirement check. lol
every time i learn something new about you it’s so on-brand
Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
That’s very capitalist of you
I’m using their own methods against them. No regrets.
That’s embarrassing. I’m surprised you would admit that even in pseudonymity.
Embarrassing for you, maybe. Obviously, not embarrassing for me.
I’m just riding the wave while it lasts. I don’t treat it like a real job. More like skimming cream off the top while the corrupt capitalist system lumbers along. I know the window for making money this way is probably short, but that just makes it sweeter.
The megacorps are raking in billions, and I get to sneak in, steal the product that they’ve already stolen, and laugh all the way to my tiny bank. They build the machines, pump out the slop, and flood the world with it. I just show up with a spoon.
Picture a giant bull in a field, stuffing its face. Flies swarm around it, laying eggs in the shit. And I’m a little scruffy bird perched on its back, snacking on the flies and soaking up the ride. The bull does all the work. I just feast on the ecosystem it creates.
I grow fat off the slop that megacorp capitalists overproduce. I use them, instead of them using me. That’s the game, friend. Delicious.
You’re fighting a fight you can’t win. AI isn’t going anywhere. I’m just adapting to the situation. And laughing.
Creativity is in the idea.
Drawing is dexterity not creativity.
What is important is that what they made reflected what they wanted to, not that they used a pencil or a stylus.
Disagree. Creativity is in the idea, the composition, and the execution.
A prompter hardly even has the idea in the first place.On top of that: “drawing” is labor.
Tell that to Andy Warhol.
Preach, brother!
The mods that banned me for ‘systemic down voting’ and ‘anti-ai harassment’ because I down voted a few AI posts and didn’t feel bad also lectured me about how horrible down voting is and how much it hurts the fediverse.
My upvote to down vote ratio is far better than either of those two mods.
I’ve seen quite a few people banned for downvotes in comms. It always makes me wonder what they think lurkers do.
They assume anyone who down votes without commenting is brigading.
Oh i know that. I’m saying it’s crazy because it just bans more lurkers than anyone. We’re probably on the same page.
Yeah, the mods who are doing this appear to believe lurkers don’t exist and anyone who doesn’t make a comment but down votes is part of a brigade.
I just said to another here in this thread: Downvotes hurt visibility. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn’t just downvote randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
Not related to the OP here, but downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn’t just downvote randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
Thank you for limiting your bans to people who were actual serial down voters and not just someone who happened to down vote a single post.
Fair enough. I tend to block before down voting and that’s rare. Haven’t thought of how much votes actually matter, but obviously it does on the smaller scale.
I should also add that 2 or the accounts I banned literally had no post or comment history despite being active for years. Their only purpose was to downvote.
that should teach ya
Don’t use ableist language in a community where both of the mods are neurodiverse.
It’s annoying that the amount the general public cares about schizophrenic people is often less than they care about changing the words they speak.
sidenotes
This is common with a lot of disability-related terms, I expect this usage to decrease over time similar to how usage of ‘retard’ has.
I am unsure whether [‘schizophrenic people’ or ‘people with schizophrenia’] is correct here, I am going based off of what I have heard about [‘autistic people’ vs ‘people with autism’] as I could not find relevant information online.
Have you considered perhaps not just saying the r-slur.
I don’t say that either.
You… Literally said it in your post. Big fucking shock to my system.
original comment, see edit first
are you kidding me
EDIT: I was confused by her saying ‘post’: I think she’s referring to my usage in the sidenote, which was intended as an example of [slurs towards disabled people that are no longer used], whereas I thought she was saying that I used them casually.
I don’t think discussing slurs is harmful to society in the same way that using them directly (as an epithet) is.
Despite this, I understand some people have strongly-negative reactions to seeing them, so I have added a content warning to the section.
Your edit is correct
I dont think its harmful to society, no, but as you say, some people have strong negative reactions to hearing or seeing them. Appreciate you changing it.
well most people with schizophrenia dont really consider themselves schizophrenic. it takes a lot of work to even get to that point of recognition. so you’re really looking for ways to destigmatize the experience of psychosis in general to encourage people to be open to acknowledging it and not worrying about all the social repercussions of being “crazy” and just be willing to find another explanation for the bizarre experiences theyve been having . unfortunately the very definition of delusion is that it persists in the face of evidence to the contrary! and to think that one’s beliefs have no ground in reality. it’s a lot to swallow!
honestly the best way to phrase it would probably be something like “had a break from reality” or similar
The “person-first” formation is debated. Some people like it, some don’t. I think most people don’t care. I would assume, like most similar things, it was started by someone with only a tangential connection to the subject.
It’s dbzer0, and that’s the instance this comm is hosted on. So no, none of the Admins of the instance “went schizo”.
I never said admin.
You said “banned you from the whole instance”, which isn’t something a moderator can do. Only admins can do instance wide bans, moderators are limited to bans from their own comms.
It wasn’t unreasonable to think you were mixing up moderator and admin. Plenty of people did during the first reddit exodus, and still do.
When you see a wall of bans from a dozen communities it looks nearly identical to site wide bans.
Banned Luffy@lemmy.ml from the community Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
reason: Ableist comments, abusive towards mods. Was given the opportunity to edit their comment and they did not.
duration: 7 days
Was this seriously for “the Mod has gone full shizo”? “Ableist”?
That’s so fucking stupid. Where’s the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for db0?
yeah, it was. do you wanna cop a ban too? cause if you use that sort of language here, I bet you’ll get one as well.
if you’re the sort of person who thinks using that sort of language is fine, then we won’t be losing anything worthwhile.
I don’t use it, but I also believe context obviously tells you that it was meant as a bad choice for “crazy” / “obsessive” and not a discrimination against those people
No need to minimod and taunt
Ah, the good old “ignorance is an excuse”. Too bad it’s bullshit, huh?
Why would you always assume the worse? That’s a great way to get offended at anything and to easily censor people while only giving your narrative
Holy fuck this guy should not have had any action brought against them for that comment.
Seriously embarrassing behavor from the mods.
@unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com - keep going mask-off.
Ban me too, cripplebrain. I am Spartacus.
My pleasure
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There have been frequent brigades of late in ai communities by anti-AI folks.
Your downvote likely coincided in timing and appeared as part of another downvote brigade.
When you assume a single downvote is brigading…
Across multiple communities, all the same subject, a singular downvote in each…
Obviously this is just my guess, but that’s what I would probably think based on what’s been going on.
Actually, if you read the post they said it was a single down vote, not one for each community. They even said some of the communities don’t even have a single post to down vote.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history** I downvoted one post in one of them**
You are ‘guessing’ the opposite of what actually happened, which is consistent with other dbzer0 AI fanatics who treat a single down vote as brigading.
Thats not how their reply reads to me, but your attitude and responses dont interest me. So I’ll be done from here, enjoy your day.
I will continue to enjoy it, thanks!
Would’ve had a lot more respect for you if you’d just been able to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence, but this type of “everyone’s dumb beliefs are valid” response is the cause of a whole host of other problems so clearly that was too optimistic.
Nah, just have no interest in people who behave like babies.
Your respect means nothing to me in any way, so… enjoy not having any for me I guess?
You have no interest in yourself?
Snoogums is correct, there was one downvote in one of those Communities, not in multiple. It was not in any way vote manipulation or brigading. Apologies if you’re reading something else, but I felt I was being quite clear with my wording.
My mistake then, it read (to me) like you were saying you down voted once, in each of the communities you were banned from.
Then all I could guess was timing. Multiple communities might depend on what client they are using, but in any case a single downvote to a ban rings as mod silliness to me, I agree.
Hit the nail on the head matey.
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Wouldn’t one glance at my long-standing profile and the fact that it was only a single vote over nearly a dozen communities indicate that it’s not part of a brigade?
Not when you’re using AI to silence criticism of AI. Laziness and ineptitude are a feature not a bug.
Wut?
self important to think your profile deserved a single look. ;) dont worry about it mate. these are jsut made of 1s and 0s.
I’d say that it was the dozen communities that made it seem like it was a brigade, as well as an attempt to avoid getting caught by only having one each across a dozen communities.
Edit: a whole word was missing.
And this is exactly why the fediverse needs private voting.
fediverse needs no voting
Eh. I see arguments both ways. Public votes makes it easier to catch bad faith (downvote bots) and manipulation. However, it allows abuse from touchy or unscrupulous mods. TBH, I’m personally more concerned with the bots. Everything is federated to one can pickup and move elsewhere of they’re on the receiving end of such a mod.
If one becomes active on another instance with the same name it is highly likely the same mods will just ban the other user account too, so moving isn’t helpful.
Oh, I meant that one can start a new community on the new instance to remove the problematic mod from the picture. Not that one should try to engage in ban evasion.
So brigading small communities can be easier?
I love it when anti-AI trolls act all confused about why they’ve been banned.
Actually, I’ve been unbanned from 10 of those subs due to this post because it was found to be an unjust ban. Also, are you able to point at the part where I stated I was anti-image generation, or are you just being standard-issue internet hostile?
“Create more slop” is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly
you’re anti-AI, so YDI. fuck off to whatever liberal shithole you came from.
Do you have a fetish for weird images? Maybe it’s the extra fingers that does it for you?
Voices guard the arts— code invades the sacred brush, progress meets protest.
Or you may just be addicted.
https://internetaddictsanonymous.org/internet-and-technology-addiction/signs-of-an-addiction-to-ai/
Wheels spin in silence— even the moon waits softly. Let the stillness speak.
That’s pretty weird from you. I’m glad we have different opinions.
??? being anti-ai is liberal now?
My first lemmy account was banned from the fed. Because I spoke ill of Israel. I figured this place isn’t much better than Reddit.
Db0 has unhinged mods, and an admin that doesn’t give a shit about it. Simple as.
You mean the admin who built fediseer and threativore and a bunch of other tooling to enable a better lemmy experience for everyone, and has run one of the most popular lemmy instances for years? The same admin who introduced radical recalls to allow instance members to vote out mods they don’t like, and encourages community voting for all new policies? Sure bro, if you say so. But why are you even here if you think that?
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The guy you’re replying to needs to show some evidence, but do you have more than a paragraph of your thoughts to back up any of your claims?
What claims?
Edit: The claims of harassment and bullying? Yes, see here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521
Radical Recalls: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38328295
Public Vote Banning Twitter Links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36484194
Threativor: https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/35557475
Governance Community: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35725820
I’m not that guy, but “Actually, boiling the planet for the sake of plagiarized pseudoart is an act of anticapitalist resistance” doesn’t seem like a position anyone would argue in good faith.
Pretending that an open source AI model that folks run on their own PCs is somehow burning the planet down is nonsense. I have no love for corporate bootlickers or corporate AIs. Although the fuckAI folks have this fantasy we are all pro AI-techno bros on db0, I can’t remember the last time I used genAI or any sort of AI for anything.
I agree with many of the arguments about the potential for corporate AI being used to cause massive harm to workers and society at large. But that’s not what any of our Stable Diffusion communities use, for example. That’s all open source and locally run, and folks who use it can decide to donate some of their PC’s resources to help others with the processing, a bit like FoldingAtHome works.
These images use no more energy that it would take to play a game for 60 seconds. Your arguments are simply invalid for the genAI images on our instance.
Local AI models are not more efficient than corporate ones - you might not need as much energy as a datacenter for cooling, but the actual GPUs and the software that runs on them are similar enough that the necessary enery per image is effectively the same.
Stable Diffusion might be open-source software by some definition of the word, but it was trained on mostly the same unlicensed data as the commercial models, so using it is still plagiarism.
If you don’t want to be mistaken for techbros, you might want to avoid parroting their talking points.
For your first point, using gen AI cannot exceed the usage that my rig goes through during heavy gaming, so there is no difference in my carbon footprint because gaming and gen AI is all my PC is used for. And I’m not going to give up gaming for climate change either.
For your second point, copyright and intellectual property is a figment of your imagination, and one that I just don’t respect or accept as reality. Therefore, anything that any artist makes is as much my property as theirs, and I’ll do what I want with it because the whole idea of artists “owning” shit is capitalist bullshit.
fediseer which is basically “get approved by me or people I approved, or get fucked”
they basically have absolute power in this system
Where do yall get this ban notification stuff do you pay for some kind of lemmy Bloomberg terminal or?
We have Lemmy+ it’s only $6.99.
I opted for the Ad Free Lemmy Prime $8.99.
If on the web (not a mobile client), you can click the three dots with the arrow pointing down under your name and hit “YOUR NAME Moderation History”. It’ll show you what mod actions have been taken on you.
Everyone beat me to it but thank you for explaining!
Thanks, I didn’t know about that
thanks. useful to see how i got banned from multiple communities for one comment on a totally unrelated one. these people are insane.
People occasionally check their modlogs to see if they got in trouble earlier.
If I get banned for a downvote I dont want to have anything to do with that community anyway.
Whoa, I thought only the conservative mods were pulling this
You think only conservatives mods would want to create safe positive environments for their users?
I don’t think that’s at all what conservatives want to do.
No, they want to control the narrative. This guy set his comm to mod-post-only. It’s his private blog. They’re not making a safe place for others, they’re making a safe place for themself.
Well that’s equally as fine as well.
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If it’s literally a place only for them, they clearly are not building a community.
And if they were building a community, removing haters goes a long way to making it tolerable.
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It was clearly based on voting, not personal preference.
And why wouldn’t I defend not having to deal with arseholes coming by and shitting on everything? I deal with it so often that I have zero patience for it.
It’d be fine if they weren’t spewing their content across the fediverse. It should be fair game to discuss it no matter what opinion, short of hateful, it is.
I don’t think that’s what these mods were doing either.
Which mods are those?
Here’s a fun read: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=13008854
I would have used their server but lemmy.today doesn’t let you filter by mod.
Wow, I had no idea there was any presence for them on this side of the defederation wall. Thanks for sharing
EDIT: this dude’s ideology is all over the place, it’s like deciphering an alien civilization
What kind of person bans links to Fox News and then posts links to Breitbart - all while advocating empathy in the sidebar?
Well, both of those are right-wing media, so I would think it obvious.
The mystery is why the more more “mainstream” news source (Fox) is banned but the fringe/conspiratorial Breitbart is not only not banned but makes up a good third of the posts that he does.
Mind you, a whole other third is from the New York Post which is also a Murdoch property?
I invite you to propose the ideological framework that explains all of that - the closest I can come up with is libertarian
I dare not gaze too long into that abyss.
I can confirm it stares back
The lemmy.today conservatives strike again!
there’s a lot of conservative / AI bro crossover.
I banned you because you’re stupid. I’m smart and you’re stupid.
You’re a bit more easygoing with the downvotes than the average Lemmy user. Those rarely downvote, while you do like 30% downvotes. Maybe that triggered someone if you did something like scroll through a community and hand out several downvotes consecutively. But I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong here.
There might be a misunderstanding… I only downvoted one post in one of those communities once. The others were untouched. As I said, some of them don’t even have any posts to downvote.
How can you tell what you downvoted while randomly scrolling through the all feed or your subscriptions 3 months ago? I certainly couldn’t remember.
And the communities you were banned from aren’t necessarily the ones you downvoted in… That’s just the realm of the admin or mod who banned you. But they could have based the decision on other behaviour or downvotes of yours.
How can you tell what you downvoted while scrolling through the all feed or your subscriptions 3 months ago?
By looking at the ban times and then comparing to the (very few) number of downvotes I made on my account in a range around that period.
But they could have based the decision on other behaviour or downvotes of yours.
I hadn’t participated in those Communities outside that downvote whatsoever, so that would be doubtful.
Ah right, maybe that was it. I remember seeing the post as well. You got “called out” by name publicly. For supposed “brigading”. And told to F off. That must be the reason for this?! https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
Oh! That explains it! “Create more slop” is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM’d the the mod in response to that post:
Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.
Whaaat? You mean op is lying or misremembering things?
Not doing either, actually. After the post was found it linked things up and, as I explained elsewhere, this still stems from one downvote on the thread you see above. “Create More Slop” is a message I disagree with. Slop is just garbage generated content, not even intentionally made stuff. Just… low-tier trash. Not really into destroying the planet for less-than-shitposting purposes.
What are they even alleged to be doing in that post?
Good question. I don’t know when Lemmy got the feature that mods can see all votes, but looks to me someone is agitated/frustrated or something and goes through the logs. We had some discussion back then about people doing their thing in their communities and then some random people aren’t even subscribed and do drive-by downvotes… Which is a bit frustrating. And AI is one of the many polarizing topics here. People tried discussing it in peace but it’s not very easy. Maybe OP got caught in the turmoil of this. Or they pissed off that person and then the next downvote was one too many… I don’t really know. And the person calling out people by name sounds a bit agitated. I’d say someone with that state of mind is likely going to react a bit more extreme. And they’re concerned with voting fraud and brigading in general.
I don’t know when Lemmy got the feature that mods can see all votes
PSA: ALL VOTES ARE PUBLIC INFORMATION. To everybody, not just mods.
I understand the mods frustation, even tho in this case it does seem extreme. I actually saw a person admit that they were fine getting banned for downvoting because there would be a “record” of them disagreeing with everything the community said. So some people are legit doing it on purpose to get in the logs.
Lemmy, man… lol Some here take this shit way too seriously.
They are calling four down votes brigading, because four people disliking something that comes across their All feed is obviously coordinated and not just coincidence.
They are not so much punishing you as cultivating a vote farm. You are just a weed here.
PTB
I’ve had very inconsistent moderation experiences on dbzer0
I’m sure some were because of this guy.
