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It’s not care. Its want. We don’t want AI.
FR I think more people actively dislike it, which is a form of care.
Depends on the implementation.
Just about everyone I know loves how iPhones can take a picture and readily identify a plant or animal. That’s actually delightful. Some AI tech is great.
Now put an LLM chatbox where people expect a search box, and see what happens… yeah that shit sucks.
loves how iPhones can take a picture and readily identify a plant or animal.
As I biologist I’d like to correct your sentence: “iPhones can take a picture and pretend to sometimes manage to get close to identifying a plant”
It sucks at identification too
Hotdog or not hotdog
Whenever I ask random people who are not on IT, they either don’t know about it or they love it.
That’s a boring perspective fuck you for sharing.
I work in IT and have recently been having a lot of fun leveraging AI in my home lab to program things as well as doing audio\video generation (which is a blast honestly.) So… I mean, I think it really depends on how it’s integrated and used.
“I work in IT” says the rando, rapaciously switching between support tickets in their web browser and their shadow-IT personal browser
“I’ve been having a lot of fun” continues the rando, in a picture-perfect replica of every other fucking promptfan posting the same selfish egoist bullshit
“So… I mean, I think it really depends on how it’s integrated and used” says thee fuckwit, who can’t think two words beyond their own fucking nose
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mmmm, yes, being told what I don’t know… oh yes, that’s the stuff. best kind of thing to read after the kind of week I’ve had!
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look, I’ll do you the disfavour of giving you an actually detailed reply
you know exactly fucking nothing about me, about what I do, and about my competencies. if you did just a liiiiiiittle bit of work you might get an inkling, but: I know you didn’t, and I know you don’t.
that’s not a judgement, that’s just fact.
trying to flippantly rage at my derision of your shitty post… I mean, points for effort? but… be more interesting…? you’re factory-line-identical outrage, and it’s boring
para (2): sure, I made some inferred guesses. still don’t think I’m wrong (and your little tagline ragefest there isn’t helping, either)
paras (1) and (3): I lul. once again, if you knew anything about me…
but sure, go off queen. I’m sure your emanated bilge will be received with vim and verve.
Thats an interesting perspective thanks for sharing.
Speak for yourself.
Year of Linux
Fuck the ai os wave. Do not force that shit into my life. I’m fine with using ai, but ai is not gonna stare over my shoulder. I decide when I use it. Never going back from Linux. Still stuck with a samsung phone but we’ll see
I switched to GrapheneOS with zero regrets. Mainly because Google is deeply embeded in the Android ecosystem. There was no way i was going to add Samsung AI crap on top of that mess.
Nice. Mine is a work phone so I can’t switch sadly
Question, do your banking apps etc run ok in the sandbox?
I wanted grapheneOS but it is not compatible with my current cell phone.
Same
Even if Microsoft, Apple, et al, drop the ‘inescapable integrated AI assistant’ bullshit in their OS’ it’s almost a guarantee that they will forever reside in some hidden background service quietly sending off reports. The temptation for them is too great, and the legal consequences are nil.
you are right… Linux for the win!
I have a Samsung and it doesnt have ai features (except for google but i can opt out of it)
Do they care? No! Will they push more AI? Yes! Will they listen to the consumers? I don’t think so.
Same thing happens with lot of products over the years. Companies push new stuff that we don’t want, and a year later becomes a regular thing! They push AI day by day, from websites AI chat help to in app AI assistant. Do consumers like it? No, but still you gonna find it everywhere! and now they push it in computers and looks what it happens! No sales!Call me crazy, but at some point, they need to look at their data or their consumers and do the right thing.
It’s maddening that they did actually take away the headphone jack from all modern phones and there’s nothing we can do about it even though it objectively sucks
But there’s no space on the new thin phones.
STFU yes there is. Gimme my 3.5mm.
“The perfect size of the screen is ((3.5 + (year - 2010) * 0.5)) inches.”
STFU. Make phones small like iPhone 4 again.
most, Sony still has them
Does anyone sell a case with a built-in USB DAC and 3.5mm jack?
there’s nothing we can do about it
Outright rejection of their shit, I won’t buy new smartphones from them. Currently using a dumbphone although the case is breaking and they don’t make this one any more. Nokia could work but costs quite a bit tbh. Getting rid of the phone entirely is tempting.
If I ever buy a smartphone again it will be the cheapest second hand thing I can find. Maybe don’t even take it out the house, it can stay at home like a landline and will be restricted to at most LAN connections only.
You can still buy phones with a headphone jack. It’s just that most people buy the one without because most people have a wireless headset they use with the phone.
It’s SUPER simple: if something new comes along and sells, it will become the standard. If it doesn’t sell, it won’t.
Removing the headphone jack allowed manufacturers to make phones thinner/lighter/cheaper/whatever and people didn’t vote against it, therefore it stays.
Microsoft pushing a feature that most users will never use or care about? Never!
Laughs in Window 8 optimized for touchscreens
It’s because they’re looking at data and a lot of you forget that. They don’t care if realistically everyone hates it if the data says everyone would use and benefit from it. Why is this so much more important? If you looked at the marketing behind AI they faked this entire industry by showing companies the “right” data to have them back them up but it’s just manipulation from the industry to make something profitable like NFTs.
How did this thread blow up so much?
These “AI Computers” are a solution looking for a problem. The marketing people naming these “AI” computers think that AI is just some magic fairy dust term you can add to a product and it will increase demand.
What’s the “killer features” of these new laptops, and what % price increase is it worth?
What is even the point of an AI coprocessor for an end user (excluding ML devs)? Most of the AI features run in the cloud and even if they could run locally, companies are very happy to ask you rent for services and keep you vendor locked in.
Please stop shoving ai into everything,please give us opt out from AI icons and stuff /srs
What the hell is an AI computer? Like one with a beefy GPU?
Hell yeah
I imagine it’s paying a premium for issue
The thing LLMs can effectively replace is Google search (and other search engines). Microsoft is shoving copilot down your throat because shoving Bing up your ass was harder when it was already full of other shit.
we’ve all seen how well LLMs replace Google search and the product’s fucking unusable
good to see the quality posts from dbzero are back tho
The thing LLMs can effectively replace is Google search (and other search engines).
This statement is true on zero known planets.
I hear the youths are using ChatGPT like we used Google when we were their age, but they must be way better than I am, because when I ask it things I don’t already know, sometimes it gives me truth and sometimes lies.
The scary part is people aren’t caring about the difference.
It is used in combination with Google. You ask ChatGPT what to Google for.
Do you sometimes read what you wrote and apply some sort of self-reflection?
It’s better than google for a lot of searches. That is until whatever AI platform you are using enshitifies.
who in the fuck do you think you’re fooling. all of us have used LLMs for search, not by choice. it’s a garbage technology for that use case (and every other use case) and it didn’t take enshittification for it to get there — it is the enshittification.
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it will be the closest thing to a mind meld we have for sharing information.
Sorry, the only people who get to talk about mind melds are the authors of Kirk/Spock erotica. I don’t make the rules.
… Wait, I’m a mod. I do make the rules!
to quote the new pope: holy christ shut the fuck up
No thanks. I’m perfectly capable of coming up with incorrect answers on my own.
you’re right tho
Even non tech people I talk to know AI is bad because the companies are pushing it so hard. They intuit that if the product was good, they wouldn’t be giving it away, much less begging you to use it.
It’s partly that and partly a mad dash for market share in case the get it to work usefully. Although this is kind of pointless because AI isn’t very sticky. There’s not much to keep you from using another company’s AI service. And only the early adopter nerds are figuring out how to run it on their own hardware.
You’re right - and even if the user is not conscious of this observation, many are subconsciously behaving in accordance with it. Having AI shoved into everything is offputting.
Speaking of off-putting, that friggin copilot logo floating around on my Word document is so annoying. And the menu that pops up when I paste text — wtf does “paste with Copilot” even mean?
They are trying to saturate the user base with the word copilot. At least microsoft isnt very sneaky about anything.
customers dont want AI, but only thhe corporation heads seem obssed with it.
One of the mistakes they made with AI was introducing it before it was ready (I’m making a generous assumption by suggesting that “ready” is even possible). It will be extremely difficult for any AI product to shake the reputation that AI is half-baked and makes absurd, nonsensical mistakes.
This is a great example of capitalism working against itself. Investors want a return on their investment now, and advertisers/salespeople made unrealistic claims. AI simply isn’t ready for prime time. Now they’ll be fighting a bad reputation for years. Because of the situation tech companies created for themselves, getting users to trust AI will be an uphill battle.
Apple Intelligence and the first versions of Gemini are the perfect examples of this.
iOS still doesn’t do what was sold in the ads, almost a full year later.
Edit: also things like email summary don’t work, the email categories are awful, notification summaries are straight up unhinged, and I don’t think anyone asked for image playground.
Insert ‘Full Self Driving’ Here.
Also, outlook’s auto alt text function told me that a conveyor belt was a picture of someone’s screen today.
Calling it “Full Self Driving” is such blatant false advertising.
Apple Intelligence and the first versions of Gemini are the perfect examples of this.
Add Amazon’s Alexa+ to that list. It’s nearly a year overdue and still nowhere in sight.
capitalism working against itself
More like: capitalism reaching its own logical conclusion
(I’m making a generous assumption by suggesting that “ready” is even possible)
It was ready for some specific purposes but it is being jammed into everything. The problem is they are marketing it as AGI when it is still at the random fun but not expected to be accurate phase.
The current marketing for AI won’t apply to anything that meets the marketing in the foreseeable future. The desired complexity isn’t going to exist in silicone at a reasonable scale.
I’m making a generous assumption by suggesting that “ready” is even possible
To be honest it feels more and more like this is simply not possible, especially regarding the chatbots. Under those are LLMs, which are built by training neural networks, and for the pudding to stick there absolutely needs to have this emergent magic going on where sense spontaneously generates. Because any entity lining up words into sentences will charm unsuspecting folks horribly efficiently, it’s easy to be fooled into believing it’s happened. But whenever in a moment of despair I try and get Copilot to do any sort of task, it becomes abundantly clear it’s unable to reliably respect any form of requirement or directive. It just regurgitates some word soup loosely connected to whatever I’m rambling about. LLMs have been shoehorned into an ill-fitted use case. Its sole proven usefulness so far is fraud.
There was research showing that every linear jump in capabilities needed exponentially more data fed into the models, so seems likely it isn’t going to be possible to get where they want to go.
do you have any articles on this? i have heard this claim quite a few times, but im wondering how they put numbers on the capabilities of those models.
Sorry nope didnt keep a link.
OpenAI admitted that with o1! they included graphs directly showing gains taking exponential effort
Yeah but first to market is sooooo good for stock price. Then you can sell at the top and gtfo before people find out it’s trash
I they didn’t over promise, they wouldn’t have had mountain loads of money to burn, so they wouldn’t have advanced the technology as much.
Tech giants can’t wait decades until the technology is ready, they want their VC money now.
Sure, but if the tech in the end doesn’t deliver it’s all that money burnt.
If it does deliver it’s still oligarchs deciding what tech we get.
Yes. The ones that have power are the ones that decide. And oligarchs by definition have a lot of power.
The battle is easy. Buy out and collude with the competition so the customer has no choice but to purchase a AI device.
Ah, like with the TPM blackbox?
This would only work for a service that customers want or need
