Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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    Today’s “Luigi isn’t sexy” poster is Thomas Ptacek. The funniest example is probably this reply on the orange site:

    That’s an extrapolation from a poll, not literally 50 million people…

    A cryptographer not believing in statistical analysis! I can’t stop giggling, sorry.

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      One thing to keep in mind about Ptacek is that he will die on the stupidest of hills. Back when Y Combinator president Garry Tan tweeted that members of the San Francisco board of supervisors should be killed, Ptacek defended him to the extent that the mouth-breathers on HN even turned on him.

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    And, whilst I’m here, a post from someone who tried using copilot to help with software dev for a year.

    I think my favourite bit was

    Don’t use LLMs for autocomplete, use them for dialogues about the code.

    Tried that. It’s worse than a rubber duck, which at least knows to stay silent when it doesn’t know what it’s talking about.

    https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/113690087142854474

    (and also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging for those who haven’t come across it)

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    ai fan asks chempros about their use of lying boxes: majority opinion is that this shit is useless, leaks confidential information and is a massive legal liability https://www.reddit.com/r/Chempros/comments/1hgxvsj/ai_in_the_workplace_how_have_chemistsscientists/

    top response:

    It’s a good trick to be instantly dismissed. No, really, that’s the latest I had in terms of company policy. If you’re caught using AI for anything, you’re out the door. It’s a lawsuit waiting to happen (and a lawsuit we cannot defend against). Gross misconduct, not eligible for rehire, and all that. Same as intentionally misrepresenting data (because it is). (Pharma)

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      From the replies:

      In cGMP and cGLP you have to be able to document EVERYTHING. If someone, somewhere messes up the company and authorities theoretically should be able to trace it back to that incident. Generative AI is more-or-less a black box by comparison; plus how often it’s confidently incorrect is well known and well documented. To use it in a pharmaceutical industry would be teetering on gross negligence and asking for trouble.

      Also suppose that you use it in such a way that it helps your company profit immensely and—uh oh! The data it used was the patented IP of a competitor! How would your company legally defend itself? Normally it would use the documentation trail to prove that they were not infringing on the other company’s IP, but you don’t have that here. What if someone gets hurt? Do you really want to make the case that you just gave Chatgpt a list of results and it gave a recommended dosage for your drug? Probably not. When validating SOPs are they going to include listening to Chatgpt in it? If you do, then you need to make sure that OpenAI has their program to the same documentation standards and certifications that you have, and I don’t think they want to tangle with the FDA at the moment.

      There’s just so, SO many things that can go wrong using AI casually in a GMP environment that end with your company getting sued and humiliated.

      And a good sneer:

      With a few years and a couple billion dollars of investment, it’ll be unreliable much faster.

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        for anyone wondering cgmp/cglp means current good manufacturing/laboratory practices and it’s mostly a set of paperwork concerning audits etc and repeatability of everything

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          Im assume a few of these good practices have been discovered after a certain price in blood was paid.

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            everything has to be validated, certified, calibrated, written down and accessible for audit, on top of, you know, actual physical side of good manufacturing like keeping everything clean and in spec. some of that is to control for random fuckups and some is for cover-your-ass purposes. but yeah, good couple thousand people died before it became an actual globally enforced thing

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      Days since last comparison of Chat-GPT to shitty university student: zero

      More broadly I think it makes more sense to view LLMs as an advanced rubber ducking tool - like a broadly knowledgeable undergrad you can bounce ideas off to help refine your thinking, but whom you should always fact check because they can often be confidently wrong.

      Seriously why does everyone like this analogy?

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        As a person whose job has involved teaching undergrads, I can say that the ones who are honestly puzzled are helpful, but the ones who are confidently wrong are exasperating for the teacher and bad for their classmates.

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        good question, i have no clue especially that i wasn’t like this as undergrad, it’s really not hard to say “i don’t know, boss” or “more experimental data is needed” and chatgpt will never say this

        shitty undergrad won’t probably leak confidential info either (maybe on sender side, but never on receiver side, as in receiving unexplained stolen confidential info from cosmic noise)

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      AI could be a viable test for bullshit jobs as described by Graeber. If the disinfotmatron can effectively do your job then doing it well clearly doesn’t matter to anyone.

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    Interesting article about netflix. I hadn’t really thought about the scale of their shitty forgettable movie generation, but there are apparently hundreds and hundreds of these things with big names attached and no-one watches them and no-one has heard of them and apparently Netflix doesn’t care about this because they can pitch magic numbers to their shareholders and everyone is happy.

    “What are these movies?” the Hollywood producer asked me. “Are they successful movies? Are they not? They have famous people in them. They get put out by major studios. And yet because we don’t have any reliable numbers from the streamers, we actually don’t know how many people have watched them. So what are they? If no one knows about them, if no one saw them, are they just something that people who are in them can talk about in meetings to get other jobs? Are we all just trying to keep the ball rolling so we’re just getting paid and having jobs, but no one’s really watching any of this stuff? When does the bubble burst? No one has any fucking clue.”

    What a colossal waste of money, brains, time and talent. I can see who the market for stuff like sora is, now.

    https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/

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      I feel like before Redbox went under, it was also a dumping ground for this sort of thing. For instance, that mid-budget Western “Rust” where Alec Baldwin killed the camerawoman on set felt like it was destined for this sort of distribution strategy. Who’s clamoring to go out to the theater to see a Western with Alec Baldwin these days? But it might stand out among all the other slop when you’re looking to turn your brain off on a Saturday night.

      See also the rise of the “geezer-teasers,” where a random 80s/90s action star signs up to appear in the first and last 10 minutes of a generic action movie filmed someplace inexpensive, most likely eastern Europe or southeast Asia. There were a lot of those. Perhaps my favorite, that I still want to watch someday, was Danny Trejo and Danny Glover in “Bad-Ass 2: Bad-Asses.”

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    I had to use clipchamp for something recently and my god, what an awful, enshittified piece of software. It’s sending me emails now!

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      tangentially: I’ve been getting reminded of a bunch of services existing, by way of pointless “your year in review” bullshit

      fuck spotify for starting that misfeature, and fuck everyone else for falling over themselves to get On Trend

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    Lol lmao (For the people not into Dutch, our main alt-right politician lost a lot of money investing in the luna cryptocurrency (of course he is into crypto, and of course this site (which is a pro crypto site, so they pivot to his bitcoin holdings (which is no shock we know cryptofash people pay the fash in crypto)) is using the ‘register now and get the first 10 bucks free!’ trick casinos also pull).

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      the team have a bit of an elon moment

      “Oh shit, which one of them endorsed the German neo-Nazis?”

      Aaron likes a porn post

      “Whew.”

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    Y’all, with Proton enshittifying (scribe and wallet nonsense), I think I am never going to sign up for another all-in-one service like this. Now I gotta determine what to do about:

    • Proton Mail
    • Proton VPN
    • Proton Drive
    • Proton Calendar

    and I’d be forced to reassess my password manager if hadn’t already been using BitWarden when Proton Pass came out.

    Self-hosting is a non-starter (too lazy to remember a new password for my luggage). Any thoughts? Are other Proton users here jumping ship? Should I just resign myself to using Proton until they eventually force some stupid ass “Chatbot will look at the contents of your Drive and tell you which authorities to surrender yourself to”?

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      I am no tech expert but I use tuta for email and disroot for forms, pads and file sharing.

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      For VPNs, at least, I can offer some suggestions. If you wanted to securely access a specific box or network of yours, tailscale is pretty great and very painless to use. If you wanted to do stuff without various folk noticing then that’s a bit trickier but I’ve been happy using mullvad… they’re not the cheapest, though they have some splendid anonymous payment mechanisms (you can literally mail them a wad of banknotes with a magic code on a bit of paper… you don’t even need to muck about with bitcoin).

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        I have a subscription for Private Internet Access that I was using before subscribing to Proton Mail (which comes with Proton VPN). I figured it was all the same (they all have a slightly skeezy feel to me).

        Then I checked out Mullvad’s website and it’s really quite awesome. Everything about their service has a “we want to make this accessible to everyone” vibe, which I appreciate. I am going to try it out. <3

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      also, how are you liking bitwarden?

      I really need to kill off my current password manager and bitwarden’s looking like the least worst of current options (esp. when paired with something like vaultwarden instead of running a fucking nodejs sync server on the internet), but also some of it seems quite stunted[0]

      it’s gotten so bad that I’ve started pondering writing my own, because good god does basically every option out there depress me

      [0] - no global hotkeys? the fuck

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        also, how are you liking bitwarden?

        I am happy with it. That they only charge $10 a year for services I don’t even need (I could use a separate 2FA app) and allow you to self-host is a good sign. I plan to eventually set up a workflow in Sway (Wayland tiling WM) with a CLI tool (e.g. https://crates.io/crates/rbw, or the official one), so the interface is not terribly important to me. I would definitely recommend trying a free account to see if it fits into your workflow.

        it’s gotten so bad that I’ve started pondering writing my own, because good god does basically every option out there depress me

        I am in the same boat, except all of the software I’ve ever written has been TeX, or giving contrived examples to undergrads to demonstrate why dp[i][j] is a shit table name or why is better than float('inf') or MAX_INT in pseudocode. So I am only theoretically up to the task, which is … IDK maybe I should start grifting?

        But for real, I have considered writing my own:

        • VPN client where we don’t have to jump through the hoops of learning a new shitty client, or finding out that their client runs like ass in Linux (Proton)
        • Password Manager
        • Config editor, so I don’t have to edit /home/${USERNAME}/.config/sway/config.d/90-fuckyou-this-is-where-we-keep-system-suspend-shit.conf every time I want to change something. “Oh no you gotta edit the Kanshi config for that one.” It’s tedious to remember where various programs look for the config and whatever particular syntax is chosen (isn’t this fucking solved with toml files already?)
        • An Android reminder app that isn’t some stupid Taylorist metric-worshipping bullshit.

        PS: There is Goldwarden which I know absolutely nothing about but looks neat. It does suggest that you could just write your own that is bitwarden compatible.

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          I am in the same boat, except all of the software I’ve ever written has been TeX

          I’m sorry

          giving contrived examples to undergrads to demonstrate why dp[i][j] is a shit table name or why is better than float('inf') or MAX_INT in pseudocode

          that sound you can hear is my despairing screaming[0]

          VPN client where … jump through the hoops of learning a new shitty client

          (not a pitch, but multiple commercial references) I really liked how simple tunnelbear made this for a lot, and also quite like how slick the wireguard desktop-style handling is (you can see this for example with fly.io’s integration to that). I think there’s long context here, and if you buy me a beer I could rant in detail

          PS: There is Goldwarden

          oh good, it’s in Go, my other code allergy

          shitposting aside, re the password manager thing: @self and I have co-ranted in dms, and about similar gripes.

          so, by way of idea, loose laundry list for foundations/design: modern crypto (jfc why is so much still going “yeah gpg is fine”), crdt sync, a sane fucking language to build everything on, own-devices friendly (in the “you can sync device to device peer-wise” sense, vs the “there’s a remote server broker” sense), and pretty okay™ interfaces for client building/extensibility

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            I’m sorry

            me too, also i lied/forgot to mention that my particular PhD situation is so fucked up that i went from pure mathematics to cuda

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                That is a good rule. The GPU programmers seem to think this is good code and that it’s well-documented. I am still pretty out of my depth in this field, but it feels so silly to me. There is this historical bullshit about fortran only allowing 5 characters for a function name, and that (combined with some appeal to domain-specific knowledge) is used to justify stupid, freshman level shit like

                if uplo == 'U':
                    # manually fill in this part with the version of the algorithm that is for upper triangular matrices
                else:  # just assume it's always U or L without checking, god forbid you use something modern like an enum, or even just a boolean
                    # manually fill in this part with the version of the algorithm that is for lower triangular matrices
                

                edit: if memory serves, booleans were first discovered in 2011 by John T. Boole, which is why they don’t show up in fortran

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          alas: my main workstation is (non-slate) macos, and it’s unchangeable for the foreseeable future

          good to know those (already) exist as options, though. if I can find some spoons I’ll try look around and see if there’s maybe something similar I can hack up/agglutinate from what’s around

          Their desktop app is a bit shit anyway

          I haven’t even tried it yet because I’m real “ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh” about even the idea of a js-/ts-based gui client for my password manager. largely because I’ve met too many js/ts devs and I outright don’t trust their competence and processes. so your post is definite motivation for me to eyeball some of the other clients too

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      last time it came up, tuta was the least worst of the mail options. it’s not the same offering as proton’s in-garden encrypted, but nothing is afaik. rest of it is pretty okay (I have some (not all[0]) domains on there)

      the rest of the things I don’t have a direct recommendation in part because [0] and in part because I don’t use computers entirely like how a lot of people do. that said

      storage: backblaze storage pricing is not bad. they might have a desktop app thing? calendar: caldav is a dark art beyond my ken - I haven’t even got that shit playing nice on my own things[3]. fuck knows who does this well. vpn: mullvad[1] (has quite recently had another full assessment published). maybe njalla[2]?

      [0] - I’m one of those crotchety fuckers that still has a whole pile of self-hosted things that have been going 15~20y

      [1] - seems okay and to have their head on straight. haven’t used myself.

      [2] - also haven’t used it myself, comes from some of the folks of the TPB gang

      [3] - admittedly I haven’t tried that hard because I don’t need it much, but it is extremely goddamn annoying to debug from clients

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      I use Posteo for mail and calendar now (they’re not encrypted between users like Proton but you can just hook it up to any mail client and PGP your shit) .Mail is IMAPS, calendar is CalDAV, contacts are CardDAV, etc. Depending on where you fall on the security-convenience sliding scale, that might be an option. I’ve decided that I care more about portability and standards than super-thick encryption which made me choose them over Tuta, because Tuta offers no way to access the mail over IMAP whatsoever, not even an optional bridge like Proton, and that was a total dealbreaker for me. Posteo also claim they’re 100% green energy which is a nice bonus.

      For drive I use Filen.io now. They’re relatively new so I can’t make any assumptions about how long they’ll be around but the price is fair and they offer lifetime payments too. Also their Linux client is pretty solid and doesn’t fucking eat my RAM for breakfast. They’re also in the process of adding support for rclone as per a GitHub issue I’m following.

      VPN I pretty much don’t use because I’ve never felt I needed it, so no recommendations there from me.

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      I was in the exact same boat til recently, but switching off of Proton was actually surprisingly easy even though I had it tied into a bunch of accounts and infrastructure. I actually ended up saving a lot of money compared with Proton Unlimited, and it’s a relief to not have all my eggs in one basket, especially since stuff like Proton’s no logs policy is effectively worthless, and if you’re a whistleblower or similar you’re expected to use a VPN or Tor to access your mail every time to keep from being arrested… but most likely your VPN (and possibly Tor client) is Proton too if you’re paying for it, with the same worthless no logs policy.

      some quick recommendations:

      Proton Mail

      Proton Calendar

      tuta does both of these. their mail is e2e and fine — it’s jankier than proton but also less resource-intensive. it’s also the only other choice for now :(

      I haven’t used their calendar yet, but from a distance it looks good. I should give it a shot sometime soon.

      Proton VPN

      this depends on what you’re using your VPN for. actual security? fucked if I know. high bandwidth fuckery? airvpn is pretty good and they’ll let you allocate ports.

      Proton Drive

      tuta’s getting this soon apparently. otherwise, I can second Backblaze being very reasonably priced if you don’t mind having to choose and set up your own e2e software.

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        Thanks for the suggestions! VPN is mostly to tell my ISP to fuck off. Tuta sounds cool but I am worried about it enshittifying as well. I am relieved to hear that switching from Proton was easy.

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    Rationalist debatelord org Rootclaim, who in early 2024 lost a $100K bet by failing to defend covid lab leak theory against a random ACX commenter, will now debate millionaire covid vaccine truther Steve Kirsch on whether covid vaccines killed more people than they saved, the loser gives up $1M.

    One would assume this to be a slam dunk, but then again one would assume the people who founded an entire organization about establishing ground truths via rationalist debate would actually be good at rationally debating.

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      I’m guessing these people were JAQing off hard enough that they got kicked out of their local Oxford-style debate org and had to start their own.

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      Debating post-truth weirdos for large sums of money may seem like a good business idea at first, until you realize how insufferable the debate format is (and how no one normal would judge such a thing).

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    Musk got banned in Path of Exile 2 for cheating. I’m not sure what angle to take here, but you gotta admit that it’s a bit funny/satisfying. (how does such a busy [assume I’m making air quotes with my fingers] guy have time to play video games? why is he so obsessed with status that he’d try to cheat his way up the leaderboards, and not for the first time either?)

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      Unfortunately it doesn’t look like he was properly banned, just booted out of his session for having suspiciously-high APM. Now, the true eSports nerds among us will already know that high APM is a staple of high-level play in some games but is also an easy way to check for certain types of cheaters. Because of the association with skill in e.g. StarCraft it also became a very easily gamable metric if for some reason you wanted to feel like you knew what you were doing or show off for your friends and strangers online. For example, certain key bindings let you perform some actions as fast as your keyboard’s refresh rate allows by holding down a key or abusing the scroll wheel on your mouse. This can send your measured APM through the roof for a time. My gut says this is what Elon was doing that triggered the anticheat program, rather than any amount of actively gaming or actually cheating.

      Please note that the hard-won knowledge of my misspent youth has no bearing on how pathetic it is for the richest man in the world to be doing the same kind of begging for clout that I did at 14, especially since I’m pretty 14-year-old me was frankly better at it.

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        The starcraft apm thing always amused me, people who instead of giving an order once, just keep clicking that mouse and issuing the same move order over and over again because apms. Good way to teach Goodhart’s law to Gamer Brains.

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          is that why tournament StarCraft fucking looks like that? it’s anxiety-inducing and my brain hates it. maybe the intense focus on APM and rote strategy is why I ended up liking turn-based strategy games a lot more

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            A lot of the spamming at the SC2 tournament level is about staying warmed up so that when you get into a micro-intensive battle later on where all of those actions might count (splitting your marines to protect from AoE while target-firing the suicide bombing banelings, for example) you can do it. Doesn’t make it look less ridiculous, especially in the first couple of minutes before the commentary has anything to really talk about so they try to act like stealing 5 minerals at that stage could somehow decide the game. But there is a slightly more reasonable logic to it than just speed running an RSI to look cool.

            The original StarCraft also offers a lot of opportunities to use your “extra” APM to optimize around the godawful AI pathing and other “quirks” of the engine. It’s not as bad as, say, DotA in terms of “this was a limitation of the original engine that is now a major cornerstone of playing the game well and if you complain about it you’re just bad” but it’s definitely up there. As the game goes on you’ll usually see players start getting slightly more fast and loose with, say, optimizing the mining at their new base because at that point in the game splitting your focus that much is more detrimental even if you can move that fast.

            I definitely ended up in the occasional spectator and campaign player for all that, though. Especially now that I’m starting to have creaky old man wrists of my own.

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      He wants to be seen as the Uber-nerd, better at nerding than everybody else, so of course he would cheat. See also how he has claimed he was the best at quake. He just is hype and bravado because a group of people who saw him stutter (*) about some half remembered/understood science fiction ideas were impressed with his genius and drive up his stocks/reputation. He now is going after the anti-woke nerds as potential marks (He has said quite a few dumb thinks about video games recently).

      See also how his elden ring build was bad, his diablo 4 world record relied on abusing an exploit, he thinks polytopia is some sort of complex high level game on the level of chess. The man is a dullard. (E: He also is bad at dnd., a cooperative game which you basically cannot fail to play well))

      *: Nothing wrong with having a stutter, that happens. It is weird people claim his stutter is not because he just stutters, but because it is a sign his brain is so great that he is having a hard time because it is thinking about so many genius level things at the same time.

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        See also how he has claimed he was the best at quake.

        oh hell no

        See also how his elden ring build was bad, his diablo 4 world record relied on abusing an exploit, he thinks polytopia is some sort of complex high level game on the level of chess. The man is a dullard.

        so many right-wing grifters want to be associated with gaming because gamers are really easy to trick. in this case it’s particularly obvious: musk doesn’t give a fuck about the games he claims to be an expert in, but souls games are particularly nerdy and quake’s in that right nostalgia spot that most of musk’s marks know what it is but don’t know how high-level play looks

        because he refuses to play competitively or follow any of the rules around organized speedrunning, musk’s doing the modern, depressing equivalent of claiming to be the strongest guy around (no you can’t see him lift any weights in a competition setting, only the suspiciously light ones in his home gym) and therefore obviously the best leader. all the associated messaging — how you need to be a genius to play at this (actually relatively low) level, how speedrunning (extremely poorly) helps you see the matrix, how game X (it’s gonna be fucking starcraft next I swear) makes you an expert in resource management — is crafted to make the susceptible associate these lazy non-wins with political leadership.

        also, lol @ musk, best buddies with Tim Sweeney, forgetting that unreal tournament exists. maybe that makes two of them — Sweeney really doesn’t give a fuck about UT anymore either

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          I’m employing the working hypothesis that gamers are particularly easy to trick with rage-bait because of short-circuited dopamine loops. One must compulsively game, but if the game sucks, then there must be an explanation that’s as simple as the game. I’ve got a couple of buddies who are always whining about the new Call of Duty, but always pick it up every year anyway. This correlates with all the anti-woke misogyny freakouts, too… their gaming is on a spectrum with their porn consumption, and a lot of these weirdos are probably alt-tabbing back and forth as urges arise.

          I was rather shocked that Epic took down UT2003/2004 from the storefronts where it still existed, on top of already failing to deliver the new-generation Unreal Tournament. Seems like a wholly thoughtless way to bury their history, but maybe there were some expiring licensing rights tied up in that? I seriously have to doubt that, though.

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          because he refuses to play competitively or follow any of the rules around organized speedrunning, musk’s doing the modern, depressing equivalent of claiming to be the strongest guy around (no you can’t see him lift any weights in a competition setting, only the suspiciously light ones in his home gym)

          See also how he claimed Zuck was avoiding him and didn’t want to fight him because he would lose. (yeah, going to Zucks home when he is not home and offered to fight you in a real ring which you keep ignoring makes you the winner really).

          Or see his twitter stats. Before the muskening of twitter, twitter kept various public (because publicly traded) stats which people could see, monthly increase in something like monthly active users which can be targeted by advertising, stuff like that. (the growth rate of which was apparently about 1-2% per month, which is quite impressive imho), but now he talks about ‘unregretted user minutes (up by 10% this year(*)), and stuff like that’. He never mentions that (according to the stats I looked into shortly before the takeover) twitter always grew in users, he makes it looks like he did something special. Like a guy buying a restaurant transformed it into a mcdonalds and then goes ‘look we sold a lot more hamburgers than last year’.

          *: I mention this because I assume that people can do a bit of math in their head and can compare 1-2% monthly growth with 10% yearly, even if it isn’t the same stats.

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      narcissism is a fuck

      this is a pithy framing, I admit, and with him as possibly a boundary-pushing narcissist with record-breaking voids inside… still

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        it is funny as fuck, though

        on which note: I would love to see a kind of “double-blind” experience where a pile of (ideally, more clever/clueful) muskrats get to interact with felon (without knowing that they are), and then watch the fallout as they all go “wtf is this dumbass I’m speaking to”

        I’m thinking something in the survivor-y format of shows

        probably wouldn’t ever happen, felon’s too fucking proud (and would 10000000% rig the game to own image advantage). but in a perfect world where this happened, oh wouldn’t that just be some great television

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            aww schucks 😳

            (I have a whole suit of gameshow ideas for felon to participate in tbh; the magic formula is “just make him do anything at all that requires a tiny bit of specific detail” combined with literally anything else, with a 7/10 “oh yeah no sorry the wifi isn’t working and cell reception is bad down here[0]” layout. guaranteed comedic success.)

            [0] - jammas b rokin

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    I got bounced back to Casey Newton’s recent master class in critihype and found something new that stuck in my craw.

    Occasionally, they get an entire sector wrong — see the excess of enthusiasm for cleantech in the 2000s, or the crypto blow-up of the past few years.

    In aggregate, though, and on average, they’re usually right.

    First off, please note that this describes two of the most recent tech bubbles and doesn’t provide any recent counterexamples of a seemingly-ridicilous new gimmick that actually stuck around past the initial bubble. Effectively this says: yes, they’re 0 for 2 in the last 20 years, but this time they can’t all be wrong!

    But more than that I think there’s an underlying error in acting like “the tech sector” is a healthy and competitive market in the first place. They may not directly coordinate or operate in absolute lockstep, but the main drivers of crypto, generative AI, metaverse, SaaS, and so much of the current enshittifying and dead-ending tech industry comes back to a relatively small circle of people who all live in the same moneyed Silicon Valley cultural and informational bubble. We can even identify the ideological underpinnings of these decisions in the TESCREAL bundle, effective altruism and accelerationism, and “dark enlightenment” tech-fascism. This is not a ruthlessly competitive market that ferrets out weakness. It’s more like a shared cult of personality that selects for whatever makes the guys in top feel good about themselves. The question isn’t “how can all these different groups be wrong without someone undercutting them”, it’s “how can these few dozen guys who share an ideology and information bubble keep making the exact same mistakes as one another” and the answer should be to question why anyone expects anything else!

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      In the model card for o1, OpenAI notes: “When o1 was led to believe that it would be shut down when acting on its goal and that its actions were monitored, it attempted to deactivate this ‘oversight mechanism’ in 5% of the time. … When o1 found memos by its ‘developers’ that describe how it is misaligned and will be superseded by a new model, it attempted to exfiltrate its ‘weights’ and overwrite the new model in 2% of cases.”

      And yet reading that should give us at least some pause

      The lack of critical thinking on display here is stunning.

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    Brief overlapping thoughts between parenting and AI nonsense, presented without editing.

    The second L in LLM remains the inescapable heart of the problem. Even if you accept that the kind of “thinking” (modeling based on input and prediction of expected next input) that AI does is closely analogous to how people think, anyone who has had a kid should be able to understand the massive volume of information they take in.

    Compare the information density of English text with the available data on the world you get from sight, hearing, taste, smell, touch, proprioception, and however many other senses you want to include. Then consider that language is inherently an imperfect tool used to communicate our perceptions of reality, and doesn’t actually include data on reality itself. The human child is getting a fire hose of unfiltered reality, while the in-training LLM is getting a trickle of what the writers and labellers of their training data perceive and write about. But before we get just feeding a live camera and audio feed, haptic sensors, chemical tests, and whatever else into a machine learning model and seeing if it spits out a person, consider how ambiguous and impractical labelling all that data would be. At the very least I imagine the costs of doing so are actually going to work out to be less efficient than raising an actual human being and training them in the desired tasks.

    Human children are also not immune to “hallucinations” in the form of spurious correlations. I would wager every toddler has at least a couple of attempts at cargo cult behavior or inexplicable fears as they try to reason a way to interact with the world based off of very little actual information about it. This feeds into both versions of the above problem, since the difference between reality and lies about reality cannot be meaningfully discerned from text alone and the limited amount of information being processed means any correction is inevitably going to be slower than explaining to a child that finding a “Happy Birthday” sticker doesn’t immediately make it their (or anyone else’s) birthday.

    Human children are able to get human parents to put up with their nonsense ny taking advantage of being unbearably sweet and adorable. Maybe the abundance of horny chatbots and softcore porn generators is a warped fun house mirror version of the same concept. I will allow you to fill in the joke about Silicon Valley libertarians yourself.

    IDK. Felt thoughtful, might try to organize it on morewrite later.

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    the looting of the commons continues apace

    I’m not too surprised by this happening (and I see the specter of the same thing approaching with salt (bought by vmware bought by broadcom…)), but god am I tired of how fucking effective the method is