+5 Yes, Puerto Rico is widely considered a colony—or often described as the world’s oldest colony—due to its status as an unincorporated U.S. territory. While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,
Can’t vote though, so only second class citizens I’d venture.
I didn’t know where he was from, nor had I heard about him until the outrage machine hyped him up. I just assumed he was an immigrant based on the outrage, but I guess that’s asking too much of the racist who can be fooled into liking Kid Rock.
It’s amazing how many Lemmings claim to be above billionaire propaganda and yet sit here jerking themselves off about, both, knowing Bad Bunny is a U.S. citizen and him being at the Super Bowl.
Here’s a thought: don’t watch the fucking Super Bowl. Crazy, outlandish idea — but as a U.S. citizen I can guarantee that it is possible for you to do this. Break your chains.
I have almost no idea who that Bad Bunny person is but I do know that fascists/republicans hate him so he must be pretty cool.
While I understand most Americans are apparently racist idiots, I find that stat hard to believe.
In all the hoopla around the halftime show, I never once read anything other than he is Puerto Rican. Not even in the maga content the algorithm insists I want to see (to the extent I didn’t immediately block).
Maybe this is being too pedantic but it would be more believable if
- “73% of Americans don’t understand that puerto ricans are us citizens”. Because we are that dumb.
Replying to that German guy somewhere in the comments - Spanish is spoken all over the us as the second most common language. Certainly anywhere in the south you’ll hear it all the time, but even up here in New England it’s very common. There’s no reason to be surprised by hearing it nor to think they are anything other than Americans who are speaking Spanish
There’s an entire TikTok side, not just one influencer but several, that have centered their accounts around random chat apps where they ask north-americans if America is a continent, for comedy. Now, this is truly just anecdotal, however. I’m talking about several influencers who pump dozens of this kind of videos each, every day. Every video has 2 or 3 video chats, sometimes multiple people per chat. There’s so much content that they are their own hashtag and tiktok sphere, of videos making fun of north americans for not knowing basic geography.
A movement to turn pro sports into quasi nationalist rallies, with barely a peep about it, is far more alarming than ignorance about the vagarities of US territorial policy. Most people can’t even name the vice president! This is a very strange kind of manufactured outrage.
Oh no, the Gen Alphas are infiltrating Lemmy
GenX, actually. But I’ve got a kid.
I’m Native American and some whites don’t think I’m American.
Native also, I 100% got profiled by a white cop in a small town I went fishing in last fall. Got pulled over and he was surprised I wasn’t Mexican, fuck him.
This is actual “logic” my boss once used on this topic.
Native Americans arnt real Americans because they have native in front of them. Why would you need a different word to describe them if they were real Americans?
He’s Mexican, came over illegally and married into citizenship basically.
He also votes hard right maga and might be the dumbest man I’ve ever known.
You should call White Americans “Euro Americans”, then. That may clarify things for this lost soul.
You might be talking about an uncle of mine. You’ve described him perfectly. I feel your pain ✊
Some of those whites have guns and “absolute immunity”
Wait, so why is that part of mexico american, I am confused? /s
mexico gave it to murica as a gift because mexico very nice 😊
No worries! That’s what SCOTUS repealing the 14th Amendment will fix.
/s
They didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because they’re ignorant of Puerto Rico.
I didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn’t know he existed till last week.
We are not the same.
I vaguely heard about a bunny something in US, but i pictured this bunny in my head
okay but what kind of rock do you live under that you don’t know who the most streamed artist in the world is 😂. Off topic, continue.
I think your experience is very common and is EXACTLY what is driving that statistic.
This is the same group that referred to Puerto Rico and a trash heap in the ocean…at that totallynotanazirally rally at MSG
brown skin= foreign is enough for conservatives.
Wow, guys. I’m Mexican and not a fan of Bad Bunny at all, but you seem really out of the loop with this guy.
He is a Puerto Rican, and in that sense he is an American citizen, but Bad Bunny is a sovereignist that would very much prefer to be free from the USA. The song Ricky Martin sang during the SB halftime show is just beautiful (listen to the Tiny desk version!). The name of the song is “Lo que le pasó a Hawaii” (What happened to Hawaii) and the lyrics talk about a strong, deep feeling of belonging to the Puerto Rico island. He talks a lot about the simple life in there and some of their traditions. In the end, the song calls Puerto Ricans to hold their flag and don’t allow “them” to do to Puerto Rico what happened to Hawaii.
I was in awe to listen to at least some of these lines in the middle of the Super Bowl. Honestly, don’t even try to ask me about the rest of the show.
Why is it a problem if he sings about that? Being a Puerto Rican is something to be proud of and it’s appropriate if he has opinions on what future they should seek.
I personally think they’d be better off as a state and would welcome them, but it starts with people there deciding what they want to do
I didn’t say it was a problem, on the contrary, I found it admirable.
They, contrary to all my hopes, want so bad to be a USA state, but it’s looking like they are too brown to be “Americans” or they are far from being a priority for the government. The Trump administration seems fixated with the idea of a 51st state in the north. But, hey, at least they are not being economically blocked since the 1960s.
The dumbest man you’ve ever known is your boss? Maybe time to switch careers. What type of work do you do?
Wrong OP, I think.
PR would be better off as a state, something they rejected doing at least 2x in referendums. There is zero chance the us lets them be independant, as a state they would be treated better. Although with the whole fascist one party state fixing elections thing it could be s moot point.
But not lately. They’ve been voting for becoming a state since Obama iirc, and they’ve been systematically ignored by Democrat and Republican administrations.
I must add, independent movements are rarely allowed by the oppressor. So, they shouldn’t be bothered about what the USA will “let” them do, if they were inclined for independence, which, I repeat, is not the case with PR.
Have they had a vote endorsing being a state? That’s news to me, I remember a vote losing, don’t remember one since. Yeah I mean PR could fight a guerrilla war to become independent if they didn’t want to concern themselves with what the US will let them do. They are stuck with the US, as we are.
PR should get to decide if they want to join this clusterfuck or not. The bare minimum the US should do is allow PR to join if they want to, and guarantee military support if PR asks for it.
“Should” is neither here nor there.
- they will not let puerto rico be independent.
- PR would get treated better as a State
- The republicans will not admit PR as a State right now, unless they could be sure their people would be elected there.
I don’t know what you mean by military support. Are you saying if they are allowed to go independent? They won’t, there is zero chance they will be independent.
Cool, good for him. I would be too.
I don’t understand what the issue is here…
Quick correction. Puerto Rico, not Puerto Ricans, is politically limited. Any American citizen that chooses to reside in Puerto Rico loses their right to vote (looking at you Paul brothers). Any Puerto Rican that choses to reside in any of the 50 states has the same right to vote as anyone else.
Oh btw, people born in American Samoa are US Nationals but not Citizens
So bascially they’re second-class Citizens. They are allowed to freely travel withing the US, but cannot vote or vote for federal office…
Laws are so fucking weird
What’s being corrected here?
It’s confusing now because it has been corrected.
Ah! That’s what I originally figured but then we got into a whole thread like there was a discrepency and I was so lost haha
Weird that the little edit icon isn’t up there
I don’t think the edit icon is a thing on this instance. I edited my previous comment a few times to test and I didn’t see it.
the more you know!
While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,
…Right. That’s correct. Residents are US citizens and lack voting representation in congress and cannot vote for president. I feel like I must be missing something.
Also this is the case for US Citizens residing in Guam and Samoa
The correction is that the restriction is under the territory, not on the citizens. If they migrate to a state they can vote for president. If a citizen from a state moves to the territory the can’t vote for the president
…Right. I must still be missing something. Because that’s what the original post says, too
👍🏼
Same in DC as well.
At least DC gets 3 electors in presidential elections
Well sure, but it’s not like the residents get half a say without a vote so they’re just kind of there.
there is a vote for those electors. turnout is generally low because ~70% of the vote goes to a specific party and what’s on the ballot is only how to allocate a small portion of electors in the electoral college. most DC residents feel its pretty token and prefer to spend election day not stressing about something that’s out of their hands. when they do turn out the vote, it’s an act of “hey. we’re still here, goddammit.”
also this is all making miss my old hometown 🤣. DC is such a great city if your political interests are more towards community involvement than towards voting
No hate on him, but I understand why. I’m German, but I speak English and a little Spanish as well. When I saw a video of the Superbowl halftime show, I got the symbolism, but I didn’t understand anything he was saying in Spanish.
If you’re trying to convey to the American public that you’re a well integrated subculture that deserves to be treated equally in terms of American law, I don’t think it’s very helpful if you rap about that in Spanish, because most white U.S. citizens don’t speak Spanish. So if you use all that “Mechico immigrantos good”-symbolism in the pictures, but can’t express yourself properly, it’s going to confirm their racist beliefs that integration is not successful. For me, personally, it made the first impression that this rapper is not from the U.S. mainland culture. Do mind that I had no other context or knowledge about him at that point in time. Would I have wished for a different show? No, it was still okay. But I think a mix of English and Mexican Spanish would have been more powerful.
I’m really not sure what “well integrated subculture” means or whether we should want it. Even a basic concept like “similar core values” gets messy before it gets desirable.
- we all seem to intermingle, so maybe that’s well integrated.
- People from different places still follow distinct practices, so are still a subculture.
- we would be far poorer without the contributions from other cultures
- for Mexican-Americans specifically, Mexican food has become core American in much of the us
Well, the minimum of main culture aspects being supporting the democracy, a certain amount of tolerance for others with different opinion and looks, rule of law. “well integrated subculture” meaning people joining an already exisiting main culture in different ways, like immigrants and not being openly hostile to people with other opinions or looks who stem from other subcultures/backgrounds without proper reason. An indication of a failed integration are parallel societies within one country.
Yes, I would agree with you that polite, nonviolent and maybe even friendly interaction is positive. The main culture aspect or fundamental understanding of the US society is problematic these days. One could even argue whether it’s still exists. However, since there are many people who fight for it, you could at least argue that the idea still exists.
“we would be far poorer without the contributions from other cultures” Very much debatable. There are so many positive AND negative aspects of it. People from the ends of the political spectrum see it in a contrasting manner. Pro-immigration people will biased towards positivity á la “enrichment” while contra-immigration people will be biased towards negativity á la “criminals and rapists”. The truth is somewhere in between - both things can be true at the same time, often depending on the individuals and group dynamics. It’s complex.
The part about the food is very much true. The same thing is true for Turkish and Middle-Eastern food here in Germany and I very much enjoy it. An argument against it would be illegal immigration, human and drug trafficking, narco organizations, wage competition, wages without taxation and so on. On the other hand, you have great workers who value education for their kids, have good food, are sometimes lovely people, support the wobbly demographics and so on. I think we can all agree that your president and ICE are not a good solution for any of this though. It was never meant to be one.
contra-immigration people will be biased towards negativity á la “criminals and rapists”. The truth is somewhere in between - both things can be true at the same time,
Maybe but that specific reasoning is provably wrong, using actual crime statistics
The reasoning is that few immigrants - just like in the local population - will be committing criminal acts. I don’t think the crime statistics show that there are no criminal acts committed by immigrants as well. But maybe I have misunderstood you. What exactly is your point?
Crime statistics generally show immigrants charged for crimes at a same or lower rate than non-immigrants. There is no validity to the claim that immigrants cause crime.
Immigrants appear to be people, doing pretty much what people do, and maybe keeping their head down to avoid unwanted attention
The USA has historically had no official language. Spanish is also the second-most widely spoken language here after English.
It’s not about representing a “well-integrated subculture” (which sounds gross to me btw) but pointing out that this country’s identity is and should be about more than White English Speakers.
You’re saying this thing should pander to White America when we can see all around us the results of that attitude. Inequality and hierarchical oppression.
The show had subtitles in English. Presumably also in German and other languages. You can read them.
Fuck’s sake man.
I never said that it’s not an official language. Why accuse me of something I’ve not said? “Pointing out that this country’s identity is and should be about more than White English Speakers.” Yeah, as I said, the show was okay. But I wished I could have understood the lyrics as well. And I think a lot of other people would have wished for that as well. The ending show sign was very good though.
You haven’t read my comment by the way. I said I watched a video of it (on YouTube). There were no subtitles available under that video. I also haven’t said that this show should’ve pandered to White English speakers. That’s another baselesse accusation. I said it would have been a more powerful message, if the message he rapped about in the lyrics would have been at least partially understandable to English speakers. A mix would have shown how both languages are part of the same US-American identity. That’s what I was about.
How the fuck am I supposed to know as a German that this show had subtitles in the original tv screening? By the way, most people on Reddit have mentioned that it actually didn’t have any subtitles, so there were probably differences in to whom it was available. Maybe dependent on the tv station?
Fuck’s sake man. Why do you make up shit to get offended about? We’re on the same team. Some of you guys are a bunch of nitpicky assholes who thrive on finding things to argue about rather than trying to find things you might have in common.
It wasn’t for us, though. I speak EU Spanish and I didn’t gets lot of it, nor understand all the symbolism, but the celebration of the language and culture seems self evident.
I didn’t get all the symbolism in the Chinese Olympic opening performance, or countless other cultural performances, but I don’t see it as necessary to understand 100% to be able to appreciate the expression.
I don’t particularly care for Bad Bunny’s music, but the show felt to me like a powerful expression of cultural validity on a huge stage in a country where people are facing state violence for looking like they belong to that culture.
From what I’ve seen shared online from members of that latino/a community, they feel like it was incredibly powerful for them to see genuine representation at that level. To me that is more important than whether or not I personally understood all the language or symbolism.
I never said that it’s not an official language. Why accuse me of something I’ve not said?
Not an accusation, but part of my point.
You haven’t read my comment by the way. I said I watched a video of it (on YouTube). There were no subtitles available under that video.
YT not mentioned in your original comment; lack of subtitles on the video you saw not my problem nor my point.
I also haven’t said that this show should’ve pandered to White English speakers. That’s another baselesse accusation. I said it would have been a more powerful message, if the message he rapped about in the lyrics would have been at least partially understandable to English speakers.
Reread this angle a few times and maybe you’ll understand the problem. People understood the spirit of the message and that’s the real substance. That show broke viewership records: people knew what they were tuning in to and wanted to see it. Music is often called the “universal language” for a reason.
How the fuck am I supposed to know as a German that this show had subtitles in the original tv screening?
You’re not supposed to, and that’s not the point.
Why do you make up shit to get offended about? We’re on the same team. Some of you guys are a bunch of nitpicky assholes who thrive on finding things to argue about rather than trying to find things you might have in common.
You’re doing exactly what you accuse me of & trying to delegitimize my points with strawman and ad hominem. With “teammates” like you, we don’t need enemies.
This is what I get for engaging with someone who talks about “successfully integrating subcultures”, I guess. Have a good life and may we never meet again.
ok, deflect then. why go through all that effort of writing all this if you don’t want an answer? Oh, right. You’re trying to pretend to yourself that you’re right.
enjoy your life in America then. seems to go swimmingly for guys like you who know everything about integration and understanding.
I don’t know everything, but I sure know better than someone who uses autistic as an insult in the year 2026.
Blocking you now. Feel free to have the last word if it makes you feel a bit more like a winner.
Thank you for blocking, fragile person. Be proxy-offended somewhere else.
Please ask Rammstein to use English more often. (this is a sarcastic joke, please tell them I love them)
Speaking Serbian in Germany is an affront to my United States heritage.
You know, this actually plays IN FAVOUR of my argument and shows that you know fuck all about Rammstein. When Rammstein made a song critical of US culture, they actually DID partiallly sing in English!
-> Amerika “We’re all living in America! Amerika, ist wunderbar!” “This is not a love song This is not a love song I don’t sing my mother tongue No, this is not a love song”
You guys don’t know shit and yet you criticize me. And the absurd thing is that I’m not even criticizing Bad Bunny, but am in favour of his message.
“We all live in America” is them satirizing how fucked up America is, in a “Yeah, sure, we’re ALL Americans, F*ck you” sort of way.
I feel like you’re angry for the sake of being angry, but you do what you’ve gotta do, bub.
I know they’re satirizing it. But that was the point, they’re still singing part about the song in English so that English speakers still understand part of it. That makes the art more powerful in my opinion.
I’ll do you one better: I didn’t even know who Bad Bunny was prior to this news cycle. Not my genre of music.
But I do remember the last time Puerto Rico was hit by a hurricane, and Trump didn’t do shit to help. Because he’s a vile piece of shit that would rather fuck kids, his daughter, and this country rather than help anyone.
At the time I thought that was a good reason why they would be better off if they chose to pursue statehood. We do much better with emergency response to states and we invest more in states for infrastructure and stuff. At least economically it would seem a strong positive.
But then Trump happened and somehow our representatives are allowing him to restrict emergency response by personal spite and and self-enrichment, so I just don’t know anymore
