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But the Democrats said they had to support genocide for the voters.
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Democrats can only win the election if they support the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank
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The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
Listen, Donald Trump is the worst. The absolute worst. Therefore, Democrats should be allowed to endorse a genocide to win an election. Anyone who disagrees is basically Russian.
The only reason Democrats lost the election was because far-left pro-Hamas single-issue voters handed it to Donald Trump by failing to vote for Kamala Harris
And you definitely should not mention the part where Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote, even including Libertarians who usually lean right. Blue MAGA is as hostile towards that basic fact as Red MAGA is towards… most basic facts.
EDIT: See? Downvotes for basic, verifiable math lol
Holocaust Harris still would’ve lost even if she received every single third-party vote
Obviously it wasn’t just the third party voters who betrayed her, but all the non-voters as well.
She ran the perfect campaign, but was stabbed in the back!
Maybe instead of promising “the most lethal fighting force in the world”, she should’ve promised it “in the galaxy”. Thinking big never hurts when it comes to imperialism.
I mean, you didn’t do the math, why should we?
…I did? It’s addition, very easy.
nah, you just listened to whatever your favorite news source was and parroted it without any concern of actual bias or whether it was people going to thiird party voters. You’re just echoing what you want to hear.
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The sensible liberal centrist position to take is “a bit of genocide”. So instead of sending 35 billion in military aid, you send 20. It’s called realpolitik, and it’s the adult thing to do.
That’s why they grovelled in front of Kissinger.
no fucking shit. idiots.
Theuniparty requires unconditional support for Israel
Republicans support Israel. Democrats support Israel. Republicans are worse. Therefore, you must support Israel or the Republicans win.
No, shut up. We will not cancel your student debt. We will not expand Medicare or Medicaid ever again. In fact, we’re rolling back all those COVID extensions Trump signed, because we need to focus on the national debt. Progressive policies are TOO EXPENSIVE. And now I’m sending Israel another $10B to fight ISIS or Hamas or whatever, idk anymore.
If you keep complaining, I’m going to assume you’re one of those Bernie Sanders Chinese Communist bot accounts.
My surprised Pikachu meme died a while ago. Pretend I’m posting him here.
Wow! You mean that thing that a shitload of people were screaming warnings about has finally been heard? And only 18 months too late to do anything about it! At this rate, they might figure out that trump is a pedophile before he dies. I sure do have a lot of hope that future elections are gonna go well and totally not be ratfucked out in the open with no pushback of any actual consequence. I’m glad that there will be a stern letter threatening to file a lawsuit (that will never happen) due to armed CBP and ICE at the polls terrorizing BIPOC. Inspiring stuff, papa Schumer!
Also the think they told those during surveys to not include in reports 🙃
All the crummy neo-lib takes makes me regret having voted for it to begin with. I compromised myself for the sake of damage control and I’m furious about it. I consider a neo-liberal as no better than MAGAt because when the mask comes off, they aren’t.
We’ve seen the mask of humanity fall off, and we’re asked not to believe what we’ve seen with our own eyes. It’s absolutely disgusting. I’ve seen liberals call not wanting to support an actual genocide a purity test. I’ve seen them refer to billions in military aid for a genocide “not perfect” (the implication being “good enough for me”).
Now, finally, American fascism is turning inward. They finally feel even just 1% of the violence they’ve been meting out on the rest of the world for decades, under every single president since Eisenhower. They deserve all of it, and more.
Yeah, I often think about that post that goes something like, “Donald Trump has done more damage to the American Empire and its propaganda machine than the last few decades of leftist organizing.”
I don’t like it. But I’m not sure it’s wrong either lmao
Good thing we don’t all get what we deserve.
The neolibs are usually treating LGBTQ+ folks and immigrants as remotely human, as opposed to targets. Even if you find the two parties to be woefully similar on too many big issues, please remember that, for as long as we exist in the shit system where election day really only lets you meaningfully choose between these two shitty parties, the lives of disenfranchised and vulnerable people do sit in one of the areas of difference where your vote could change something.
Nah sorry, at some point it’s on the Dems to pick an electable candidate. People act like it’s just leftists being unreasonable but the majority of Dem voters are pissed at the DNC. Responsibility isn’t a one sided thing here, you can’t expect a dog to be loyal if you keep kicking it.
I fully agree that the Democrat party needs to get its shit together, or more realistically torn down and rebuilt. Just also saying that, when all is said and done and it comes time for the general election, I’m going to place my vote where it’s going to do the most to deny, or at least delay, authoritarians.
“Please endorse the systemic murder of tens of thousands of children so I can maintain safety and comfort without needing to push for a candidate who will maintain my safety and comfort without carpet bombing babies.”
Sorry, no.
Also, remind me, those photos of Border Patrol agents whipping Haitian immigrants at the border… which administration was that under again?
Remind me, why did Dems refuse to codify abortion protections when they had a supermajority under Obama?
Dems don’t treat LGBTQ / immigrants as human, they treat them as chess pieces. They just play them with a different strategy than Republicans.
I absolutely do not support the Democrat party writ large, and especially not on the willful disregard for genocide and other atrocities. Don’t decide for me that that is my stance, or put those words in my mouth and effectively tell other people that is how I feel.
My core point is that, Democrats seem to be less vocally approving/encouraging about stochastic terrorism against LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and other marginalized groups, whether they are privately seeing them as chess pieces or human beings.
If one group is shouting that my cousins are subhuman trash undeserving of equal treatment and dog whistling support for people who advocate violence against them, and the other group is at least not encouraging the same violence, then my cousins would seem to be safer under the second group.
I advocate loudly for party reform or replacement and consider that to be the more important part of civic duty in this arena. When it comes time for an election, past when we can do a lot to change which two people actually have a chance to win a presidency, I will cast my vote for the one less likely to get my cousins killed.
Neo-libs treat LGBTQ and immigrants as just another group of ppl to exploit for financial gain. Pretending they actually give a shit about anyone other than themselves is naive
Never said they gave a shit, just noting that - at minimum - they don’t seem to be shouting as loudly that they should be denied medical care, deported, etc. I will continue to do what is reasonably within my power, means, and capacity to work for a society that is fair and equal for all. If an election comes around that only meaningfully lets me choose between two piles of shit, I will choose the less smelly one rather than abstain.
You fuckwits got what you wanted. Deal with it.
Ya, no shit.
Why would anyone waste their time studying something that’s blatantly obvious?
Can someone conduct a study to confirm that hot is hot and cold is cold?
Cause they get to pay themselves millions of donated dollars to do this study and then get paid millions more to come up with an Ad campaign to “fix” it
And that campaign, we need more Republican voters and to ignore the left entirely!
The report: everything we were screaming into the void from 2023 till 2024.
The report is moot other than the fact they trying to bury it because anyone with two twigs to run together knows the answer, knew it before it happened, knew it while it was happening, and knows it now.
Trump was easily beatable in 2024 and Dems blew it at every turn.
You want to see the roadmap for beating Trump?
Sort c/politics by controversial and read the top five threads of comments.
It’s all there in black and white, in no uncertain terms. And the shitlibs who insisted we take the worst strategy turns possible (and advocating for them in those threads)…they mostly jumped ship (santanko and squid being notable examples).
It’s also worth nothing how many voices who go their analysis at the time basically correct at the time it would have mattered, how many of them are banned from politics as a whole. There was a clear moderation effort made to cultivate a specific type of conversation here.
I feel really stupid asking this but how do you sort by controversial? I hit the sort button but none of them says controversial. I’m using piefed app. Sorry I’m new here.
In voyager I press the cool skull button:
Thanks friend. Looks like the piefed app doesn’t have this functionality. Guess it’s time to change.
If genocide isn’t a red line then there are no red lines, every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers
So you’re saying you’re an ICE enabler and collaborator by that logic?
Their tactic of “We not as bad as X” doesn’t work anymore. The compromising position is to compromise yourself. Never again.
You really saved us all with your… not voting?
Man… how many bricks to the side of y’all’s head do we have to take to get you to understand that a) an election isn’t about individual choice, and b) telling people what to do with their votes is counter productive.
If you were doing in 2023/24 what you are doing now, with that comment: You’re why fascism won.
You aren’t part of the collective that got it right. You’re being the shit lib who handed the world to the fascists.
Fascism won because millions of people refused to vote against it, because the alternative wasn’t perfect.
Stop blaming the people who literally voted against fascism. Does believing in harm reduction make one a “shitlib” in your view?
Fascism won because the Democratic party didn’t want to adopt an anti-genocide stance. Its not harm reduction when it enables the harm. Its not strategic voting when the strategy backfires.
You’re an apologist for fascism if you are blaming voters.
Biden and Harris were nowhere near as bad for Gaza as trump is, and papering over that detail hasn’t helped the situation
An entire fucking genocide happened under their “deeply concerned” watch bruh.
Stop apologizing for fascism.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don’t believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don’t owe either of them shit.)
You hated the DNC so much you voted for them and defend their actions tooth and nail?
I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I’m not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I’m still grappling with the point of it all now that we’re doomed.
I understand that tactics aren’t likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.
Well then tactically you fucked up lol
it was either them or fascism
Who do you think helped prop up and build the foundations for fascism? That’s what your tactics resulted in.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
Denying reality over and over again doesn’t make you right and the perspective you are espousing was the dominant narrative up until the elective. That individually voters just needed to “do better”. You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach? You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach?
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.
You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.
There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.
But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.
I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.
The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care,
Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then. All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.
I can see both sides of this. Yes, the moral and proper thing to do is to be anti-genocide and to take an anti-Israal, anti-Zionist position after the Gaza invasion. We were right to insist upon it as a condition for our vote and whoever the Dem nominee was should have taken a hard anti-Gaza war stance. However, the reality of the situation is that the vile monsters that control the party didn’t listen to us and ignored or talked around this issue for those sweet, sweet AIPAC dollars. We all know that they didn’t listen to us for an entire year. This was the reality on election day.
Knowing this, if you still voted for Trump, a third party, or “not at all” on election day instead of holding your nose and voting for Harris, you are just as responsible for the fascism we have now as any shitlib who was screaming at anyone and everyone to “fuck off, and fall in line” or “vote blue no matter who” before and during the election.
You didn’t have to tell anyone you were going vote for Harris. In fact, we should have been telling the Dem party that we will refuse to vote for them right up until the end. Hell, you can still deny today that you ever voted for Harris in 2024, as long as you actually did in secret.
You really saved us with your… supporting genocide?
If you allowed trump to win, you supported genocide.
If you allowed Harris to think she could win while supporting genocide, you supported genocide. The only way to get to a “no genocide” outcome was for you to participate in making it clear to Harris that it was a non-negotiable point. But you centrists couldnt be bothered to even vote uncommitted in the “primary”.
You let genocide exist within the democratic party. Thats why innocents are dead. Because you felt OK negotiating other peoples existence for whatever your hot button issues were. You were 100% willing to throw nameless browns into the gears of the US government to keep the big machine oiled and lurching forward. Grow some ethics and you’ll win more elections.
If the party machine 100% needs blood sacrifice to function, then it needs to be destroyed. But thats the thing isnt it. It doesnt need that sacrifice, you just allowed it because you’re a lazy unprincipled centrist with no respect or empathy for your fellow humans.
Innocents were dead either way. What’s worse, ten thousand dead innocents or a hundred thousand dead innocents?
What’s your answer to the trolley problem? Do you let ten people die because you don’t want the moral culpability of one person’s death?
Combine that with the “drowning child” thought experiment. If you witness a child drowning in a pond, do you have a moral responsibility to save them? If you simply walk away, are you less morally culpable for that child’s death?
My answer to the trolley problem is to physically stop the people tying others to the tracks when that was never necessary or helpful. Better yet, grab the people tying innocents to railroad tracks and tie them to the tracks instead, and start shoveling coal into that train. Let me give you a hint here: you are a person tying people to the tracks.
Why didnt you make it clear to harris that genocide wasnt an option? Where were you centrists when it was time to stand up and be counted? Harris’s stand on soft peddling the genocide wasnt inevitable. She did it because the party let her think she could get away with it. And now look at you, still at it, having learned nothing from losing the election run on your terms.
I voted third party. The allure of being hated by the entire country for my voting decisions is too compelling to pass up.
So did I. And if the rest of the lib population had any actual ethics third party would have won
You mean Jill Stein who shows up ever 4 years, runs for the president, siphoning off 2 to 3% of the liberal vote over a single issue, collects a check, and then disappears for 4 years. That’s not a real third party, that’s a grift.
I voted for her but like I’m not a liberal so…
Still voted for a con artist.
She can’t siphon votes that were never going to the DNC to begin with. Where’s any of the DNC leaders right now when we have ice arresting and killing citizens, trump running all over the constitution, a house rep tweeted today that someone should tell trump to do his job, and if she’s not that someone elected into office to do just that. Jill on the other hand is actually attending protests in support of the working class.
Where is she now?
I voted third party
My absolute favorite downvoted comment. Will frame it for posterity
Good comment.
You want to try people at the hague for voting against fascism? That sounds like something a fascist would say.
What about the people who refused to vote against it, do you just want to give them a pass?
I guess the millions starving because USAID got cut isn’t a red line.
Or all the undocumented immigrants in the US getting rounded up into camps, some whisked away to who knows where, also isn’t a red line.
Or women losing their bodily autonomy on the first go around, due to SCOTUS being cemented as conservative for the rest of our lives.
Or trans people fearing for their lives and being unable to flee the US because their passport will get scrutinized.
Or virtually all environmental regulations in the US getting cut so now we contribute more intensely to our cooking planet.
All of this is not only not a redline, its preferable. Because the shitlibs must be punished, right?
I don’t think I will ever understand you. I don’t even know if you’re real. What are you trying to accomplish?
The sole purpose of USAID was for regime change and the illusion of aid needed caused by US actions
Dems had 50 years and multiple opportunities to protect women’s rights and did nothing but raise money off that fear.
The first 2 months of Bidens war in Gaza released the equivalent of 275k tons of burning coal, not so concerned about the environmental pact of that.
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I’m sure now that USAID is shut down the regime change will stop. The millions of starving people clearly were a necessary sacrifice.
When it’s US actions that were causing them to starve, yes
They were a necessary sacrifice? Wait you are going to need to elaborate.
They wouldn’t be starving if the US stayed out of their politics. The US creates the circumstances to destabilize their economies, overthrow their governments then come in with USAID to assist as if they didn’t cause the problem.
Oh you edited in some more.
Dems had 50 years and multiple opportunities to protect women’s rights and did nothing but raise money off that fear.
Yeah I hate the dems too.
The first 2 months of Bidens was in Gaza released the equivalent of 275k tons of burning coal, not so concerned about the environmental pact of that.
I promise you that the environmental impact of Gaza being turned into glass is dwarfed by the invasion of Ukraine and like, everything else going on globally. You live in a stupid bubble where everything bad that exists is because of zionism and Israel and their genocide of Palestinians. If cared enough I’d bet money.
And every non-voter who’s “high road” they dichtomously make fun of Obama for has allowed more genocide is what, better? The choices were some genocide or more genocide, avoiding the choice is just a choice for more genocide. Trolley on way to kill 5 people do you pull the lever to kill 1 or don’t pull the lever and let it kill 5. Unsurprising that people will blame you for not pulling the lever and you’re upset that people did try and pull the lever.
You are litterally doing the thing that handed the country to fascists: you are a fascist enabler.
If you continue to blame voters instead of those in power, you are supporting fascism, and we should ALL collectively recognize you as a fascist.
Yeah, fuck me for thinking vote for the lesser evil and work towards better rather than let the greater evil win and then??? How dare I desire not to worry about gestapo throwing me in a hole for my skin color while I fight for better. Instead of fighting for better im just fighting to survive. Fucks sake.
Yeah, fuck me for thinking vote for the lesser evil and work towards better
Yeah. Fuck you for that. Thinking like that blew the fucking election and handed the country to fascists. Thats what we’re saying. Accepting or advocating for lesser evil loses elections time and again. If you were advocating for that approach in 2023/4, the fascism is on you.
Its the entire point we’ve been making since 2023.
So what was your alternative then, genius? Did you vote for the fucking green party? You third party people pretend to be moral but you’re literally ejaculating at the chance to massively inflate your pathetic ego, meanwhile there are thousands of people in concentration camps all around the country because of your narcissistic bullshit.
You are responsible for that and just like the magat trash you should be held accountable. You stabbed your own neighbors in the back in the name of a bunch of people you’ve never even met. Fucking traitor. Fucking narcissist.
Move the fucking candidate to electable fucking positions you fucking dingus. You can’t move the fucking electorate. Period. Accept the reality of how elections work and fucking adjust accordingly shit-for-brains, instead of insisting a population vote for a candidate whose policies they don’t want.
Blue MAGA did this to us you fucking moron. People who insisted that people just had to suck it up and fucking vote for genocide when instead they could have been insisting the candidate change her fucking position.
It’s like you turds go through completely unwilling to accept the reality of how elections work. You just keep insisting that we have to rely on voter to just "do better when they never do.
If you can’t accept that some people won’t vote for a pro genocide candidate,and that you lost the election by insisting people do so, you are why we are here.
Reminder that there are more then two choices on every ballot in every county. If you don’t bother using them because you really think “your team” should win, then you don’t really have any business participating in democracy.
Sure, that sounds good to say in theory, but I’m sure you’re aware that a First Past the Post voting system kinda makes a third party effectively a wasted vote. Normally I’d support a third party absolutely, but in the last election, a vote that wasn’t for Dems was, unfortunately, a vote for Trump and I’m having a hard time believing you’re actually so dense as to not understand that
You will never get to vote for change if you always accept what you are given. Every single election since I started paying attention to politics has been “the most important election in my lifetime.” So with your thinking there is never a time to vote for your values, only the values Capitalists have enshrined in both candidates by choosing which candidates of both parties are “electable.”
Lesser evil never leads towards better, it leads to worse. A small acceptable amount of evil allows for a larger evil the next time. 50+ years if that shit and here we are
Lesser evil never leads towards better, it leads to worse.
Even more so with a greater evil.
Nobody is saying “settle for the lesser evil”. They are saying it’s easier to fight for progress against the lesser evil than the greater evil.
Small, acceptable amounts of evil allows for a larger amount of evil the next time. If you compound that over decades, you have our current situation. You can’t vote your way out of our current situation.
Yes but they should probably blame the guy that tied people to the track in the first place. I think most see it as scapegoating. Politicians dictate their own policies and you have to be very vocal about the ones that suck to be heard over the corporate money. Blaming voters gets you zilch in terms of change.
I’m going to blame the guy who tied six people to the tracks as well as the guy that didn’t pull the lever. I’m going to blame the guy who tied them to the tracks a lot more, but I can blame both.
I disagree. I don’t think we should support genocide at all, full stop, period. But I guess some folks are okay with a little genocide, as a treat
It’s fine as long it’s just cultural genocide and ice is doing it instead of the IDF. It’s wild how some of you care more about Palestine than your own fucking neighbors.
You mean some folks are okay with more genocide, as long as they pretend not doing the bare minimum to reduce the account of genocide absolves them of responsibility.
Well, I suppose you’re welcome to your opinion, even if it’s an absolutely horrid one.
Youve convinced me. Voting FOR genocide was probably the best solution
You were just fine with genocide as long it targeted black people and Latinos in America and not Palestinians.
Oh wait they’re targeting Palestinian immigrants here too. Fucking oops?
The real issue with you people it’s that you don’t actually care about anyone but yourself. It’s all about your pathetic EGO and being right and not protecting people to the best of your ability.
Fuck every last one of you third party ICE-loving traitors.
Ah, yes. Because that’s the most objectionable part of that opinion, not ‘We should jail people for their voting behavior’. Can you get any more authoritarian?
Edit: But sure, if that’s where we’re going, I’ll bite:
It was a two party race. There were no other viable candidates. You didn’t vote against Trump in any meaningful way; you did nothing to prevent our current situation, and that’s a pretty wild stance to be defending.
Biden or Harris obviously clearly weren’t viable candidates either. Turns out you cant run on war crimes from the left.
They lost by 1% so that makes them non-viable? As opposed to who? How does this blatantly stupid garbage get upvotes?
Cool and all but the popular vote is NOT how US elections are tallied. Harris lost all 7 battleground states. 312 electoral votes to 226. thats 42% Harris to 58% Trump in the tally. Harris trailed an openly fascist clown by 16 percentage points. It wasnt even close.
At the time of the election 75% of US voters polled thought the country was going in the wrong direction, and Harris had said she “wouldnt change a thing”. Including US support of a genocide. You think running on policies that have a 75% disapproval and are being condemned by the entire world = viable candidate?
Its flatly amazing the Dem candidate did as well as they did with those horrific campaign choices Harris made. But even that miracle couldnt stand against Dem’s open support for Israeli genocide.
no other viable candidates
But there were other candidates that I actually like. Claudia de la Cruz, for instance.
All your candidate would do is kick the can down the road for a few years before “the most important election of OUR ENTIRE LIVES” happens again. I’d like to vote for someone I actually support before I inevitably get my throat slit by some SS whackjob, you know?
Tell that to all the people IN FUCKING CAMPS right now. I bet they would’ve loved a few more years of freedom. You talk in hypotheticals about what might happen to you, meanwhile it is not hypothetical for many of us.
Fuck your detached academic bullshit. You don’t give a flying fuck about anyone but yourself and your little ego.
Shouldn’t you be organizing so your people don’t get easily abducted by some psycho cops? Or if you’re not planning to do that, getting your asses out of the country so the psycho cops can’t find you?
I was proud when I saw that the people of Minneapolis could call in some people to come help if ICE was spotted on the prowl. Those guys know how to take care of business.
But then we’ve got the Blue No Matter Who folks who think the feds will put a stop to the madness if they just vote a little bit harder. It’s like you could have a family member of yours be dragged into a black van right in front of you by ICE and all you would say is, “Oh, I’ll call my congressman to secure your release! Yeah!”. Compared to doing everything in your power to rescue your family member, even if the cops execute you for it.
Claudia de la Cruz
Who?
Socialist candidate in 2024.
She wasn’t “my” candidate, any more than Donald Trump was “your” candidate. I voted against Donald Trump. Folks who voted third party didn’t do that. They may not have voted for him, but they didn’t vote against him.
If Kamala Harris wasn’t against the genocide, a vote for Kamala wasn’t a vote against Trump, or fascism, or genocide or anything else.
Kamala wasn’t going to win while supporting the genocide. Period. It’s not a debate. Voting for her wasn’t a vote against Trump because with her holding that stance, she couldn’t beat Trump (which is objective reality:she didn’t beat Trump).
It was a two party race.
Wrong.
The only thing to blame for her defeat is the American republican voters who are too fucking stupid and selfish to not be complete assholes. There is always things one could have done better, not having done perfect is just reality.
There’s not being perfect and there’s supporting a genocide. She deserves the blame
So just like Trump? Harris isn’t the one planning on profiting from real estate development in the gaza ffs. That’s who Republicans voted for.
Doesn’t really matter what happens after if the original goal is the mass murder and elimination of a culture. If I was Palestinian I would’ve sat out the election. Its easy to complain when no one you actually know was being bombed in an open air prison.
Americans are complaining about ICE arresting children and shooting citizens but thats been happening in Palestine for decades.
One of the two options will get chosen. Abstaining only increases the chance the worse of the options for you is more likely. Being a single issue voter and not voting if that single issue isn’t what you want is irresponsible to yourself. Whoever wins will affect your life in a myriad of ways beyond that single issue and throwing away your influence over that, as small as it may be, is simply foolish. If you aren’t also participating in the systems that choose the candidates, nevermind finding and supporting politicians who do reflect your values, you’re doing a disservice to yourself.
There is no worse option than a genocide. And last I checked there was no primary last election. This was about the presidential election.
You folks who try to shame Arabs/Muslims for sitting out the last election get on my nerves. Refusing the false choice of youre ppls extermination and likening it to single issue voting spits on their struggle. Its the equivalent of telling a black person in 1968 that not voting Nixon because hes a massive racist makes them foolish single issue voters.
“No, it is the children who are wrong”
Children are stupid and ignorant, so yes, often wrong.
Your diseased “lesser evil” dogma is how we got to the point where supporting the modern-day holocaust is framed as “not having done perfect”.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is life. Welcome to it. You don’t always get to choose your options and mitigating the worst is a responsibility. Trump was easily the worst, and also supports the genocide. But Republicans couldn’t seem to figure that out. Apparently just like you.
Weird, I didn’t choose either evil but I’m still alive.
Yes, I meant you risked death…
The dissent was widely known and broadcast — they chose their line. And it will cost us decades if not generations.
yep, I think the centrists think of it as a single lost election that they can just have a do over on next cycle. Many of the dem base voters they imagine will come back are third party for life now. People take supporting genocide pretty personally. Many on here like finitebanjo and givesomefucks want to pretend the DNC dems never supported genocide. But they did, and still do. Theres no take backsies or do overs on that.
I like to point out that Democrats had anti-LGBT+ beliefs, feelings, and I’m certain passed legislation for it then started backing off when it became hot button relevant. Which is good, but they are not the innocent poster boys/girls they like to make themselves out to be.
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So we’re just saying things now huh
Provide evidence of statement. Watch them try to disagree with their very eyes. Orwellian as hell with the neo-libs in this post.
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The comment you were responding to.
I like to point out that Democrats had anti-LGBT+ beliefs, feelings
The video proves objectively that was true. Same with genocide today. The party doesn’t get to skate by ignoring genocide anymore. They must change or they will continue to lose. If you continue to vote for their continued support of genocide, it means you support genocide.
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Don’t pretend or white wash it, even Democrats were anti-LGBT+.
They still are, we all saw how Harris threw trans under the bus
Ya I’m stil on the if your trans thats fine doesn’t bother anyone.
But the keep your son off my natural daughter’s team. Is an opinion a lot of people have and to pretend that’s not turning away voters is huge. And trying to force it will continue to equal losses
Downvote me all you want, I know I am right, you deep down know I’m right. And the majority of Americans are right
You can take your “both sides equally bad” and shove it you worthless scumbag.
…Useless centrists whining about the outcomes of their own bad ideas as they steer the party off cliff after cliff. You know who saw Harris’s loss coming in the last election Halfsaleman? Everyone. Everyone but centrists like yourself as you cheerfully pulled the voting lever to support what you claim without proof was support for a “lesser, kinder, gentler” genocide. We’re all here in trumpland because of people like yourself.
You are delusional or a liar and your painting me as a centrist is cope or hollow propaganda. Eat shit.
Nope, because they’re the same side.
Uh duh? And also just one of many, many things that her campaign screwed up.
Like backing away from going after price gouging corporation and ignoring the economic reality of the Average American and speaking of the recovery and inflation reduction in the academic abstract instead of to the average sixth grade reading level American.
What? No but she took specific helpful advice from her Brother in Law and CLO of Uber to stop talking about wealthy people and economic hardship cause he knew all about it! The super wealthy she surrounds herself gave such good advice and all we need to do is fix the minority experience and money money money for days.
How could ignoring everyone but the select few around her go so wrong? We just need to elect her and then she will get it right. For sure.
Maybe she would’ve won if she campaigned with the descendants of more war criminals.
