You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach?
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.
You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?
All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.
There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.
What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.
No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.
But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.
I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.
The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.
You need to do the work to undo the Fascism you enabled. Simple as. Make it clear in this next election cycle that no oro ice, pro genocide candidates get your vote. And it’s not because you individually won’t vote for them. You need to make it clear that if the candidate doesn’t move to your more moral policy positions, they don’t get to have your vote.
Your individual vote doesn’t matter. Neither does mine. What matters is the 6% left on the table by Harris being pro genocide. We’ve got to to get them back which means you have to do the work of cleaning out the cynicism you injected into the system by insisting people vote or genocide.
Voting for Harris wasn’t voting for genocide, because it ultimately did not matter if the GOP won or if the Dems won in terms of what happened to the Palestinians.
In fact, letting Trump win probably made it worse for the Palestinians.
I voted to save immigrants from what’s happening now to them. I voted to protect the poor from the GOP’s austerity. I voted to prevent an even more conservative SCOTUS. I voted for the tiny hope of fixing women’s bodily autonomy and healthcare in this country. I voted to prevent the death cult evangelicals and white supremacists from gaining more power in our government.
My co-worker has family in Mexico that shes terrified for because this admin’s moronic and destructive actions of killing El Mencho have put them directly in danger and will do zero to help with drug related deaths.
I know trans people who literally want to flee this country and can’t because of the gender on their fucking passport.
My mom is worried about being able to vote because she did not change her fucking last name back to her maiden name when she divorced my piece of shit republican father and now there is legislation meant to suppress her vote.
I voted to try and prevent all of this. FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT. YOU’RE A FUCKING WORTHLESS IMBECILE. You are not my ally or an ally of the innocent people this has hurt. You enabled this misery, and I hate you for it. I despise you at the very core of my being.
Voting for Harris, when Harris couldn’t get elected on her policies, wasn’t a vote to stop this. That’s what you need to get through your head. Harris handed back 6% of Democratic voters to the couch. That’s just self evident. She lost the election.
If you weren’t advocating that she move her policy positions to more popular positions within the base, you weren’t doing the thing you want to imagine yourself as having been doing.
History isn’t going to remember you as the good guy if you were telling people to suck it up and vote Harris: because no amount to telling people to suck it up and vote Harris was going to get her elected. There was precisely one path to get her elected: get her to change her position on Gaza.
She was objectively pro Israel and in her own Democrat way, pro genocide. She would not win the election with that position (again, self evident). If you were not advocating that she changed her position, and making it clear that she would lose the election if she didn’t, in that critical time period from August till November, you weren’t doing what you want to write yourself into history as having had done.
What you need to get through your head is that the group of people actively advocating for the abstaining of voting is why 6% did not vote for the lesser evil. At the same level of blame that the DNC lick’s Israel’s boots. And the 6% itself deserves this outcome, because we have FIRST PAST THE POST.
We did not have a primary. We should have. That’s a failure of the DNC and Biden as well.
So, given that I understand that the DNC as villains. That Israel are villains. MAGA are obviously all villains. Where does this leave left leaning independents and potential dem voters?
Each potential voter had a simple moral calculus in front of them:
Progressives: Vote for the lesser evil and hope we build off of that to make things better. Minimize risk that a fascist wins.
Abstain from voting, let the fascist get an edge in terms of their chance of winning.
Potential dem voters who did #1 are not the bad guys. #2 made an explicit choice and are scum, just like MAGA. Just like the DNC. Just like Biden.
This isn’t to say the every person who fits into category #1 is blameless: if they advocated for centrists or were pro-israel, yeah, they fit into the same as the DNC category. But the vast majority of the people who fit into category #1 did not do that. You suggesting such is incredible delusion.
I can see both sides of this. Yes, the moral and proper thing to do is to be anti-genocide and to take an anti-Israal, anti-Zionist position after the Gaza invasion. We were right to insist upon it as a condition for our vote and whoever the Dem nominee was should have taken a hard anti-Gaza war stance. However, the reality of the situation is that the vile monsters that control the party didn’t listen to us and ignored or talked around this issue for those sweet, sweet AIPAC dollars. We all know that they didn’t listen to us for an entire year. This was the reality on election day.
Knowing this, if you still voted for Trump, a third party, or “not at all” on election day instead of holding your nose and voting for Harris, you are just as responsible for the fascism we have now as any shitlib who was screaming at anyone and everyone to “fuck off, and fall in line” or “vote blue no matter who” before and during the election.
You didn’t have to tell anyone you were going vote for Harris. In fact, we should have been telling the Dem party that we will refuse to vote for them right up until the end. Hell, you can still deny today that you ever voted for Harris in 2024, as long as you actually did in secret.
I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care, its obviously a fool’s errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.
All that’s left is rot, so I’m going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up “for themselves” as well. Its not just me they’ve hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are “shitlibs” and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn’t vote.
There is no means for me to change people’s minds on voting so you don’t need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.
No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don’t really blame anyone. Free will doesn’t actually exist.
But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.
I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don’t create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.
The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we’ll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we’ll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.
Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then. All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.
No lol, eat shit, scumbag.
Still insistent on the delusions I see.
You don’t deserve charity. You objectively supported fascism with your actions. And now youre saying you don’t care enough to stop it.
I already tried to stop it. You continuously reframing this like I’m a DNC cheerleader is actually pathetic.
Your proposition that I continue means rewarding people like yourself, who actually is at least in part responsible for this.
That said, now I’m curious. What exactly would you expect someone like myself to do now to stop the fascism you enabled? Do I owe you?
You need to do the work to undo the Fascism you enabled. Simple as. Make it clear in this next election cycle that no oro ice, pro genocide candidates get your vote. And it’s not because you individually won’t vote for them. You need to make it clear that if the candidate doesn’t move to your more moral policy positions, they don’t get to have your vote.
Your individual vote doesn’t matter. Neither does mine. What matters is the 6% left on the table by Harris being pro genocide. We’ve got to to get them back which means you have to do the work of cleaning out the cynicism you injected into the system by insisting people vote or genocide.
You have work to do.
Voting for Harris wasn’t voting for genocide, because it ultimately did not matter if the GOP won or if the Dems won in terms of what happened to the Palestinians.
In fact, letting Trump win probably made it worse for the Palestinians.
I voted to save immigrants from what’s happening now to them. I voted to protect the poor from the GOP’s austerity. I voted to prevent an even more conservative SCOTUS. I voted for the tiny hope of fixing women’s bodily autonomy and healthcare in this country. I voted to prevent the death cult evangelicals and white supremacists from gaining more power in our government.
My co-worker has family in Mexico that shes terrified for because this admin’s moronic and destructive actions of killing El Mencho have put them directly in danger and will do zero to help with drug related deaths.
I know trans people who literally want to flee this country and can’t because of the gender on their fucking passport.
My mom is worried about being able to vote because she did not change her fucking last name back to her maiden name when she divorced my piece of shit republican father and now there is legislation meant to suppress her vote.
I voted to try and prevent all of this. FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT. YOU’RE A FUCKING WORTHLESS IMBECILE. You are not my ally or an ally of the innocent people this has hurt. You enabled this misery, and I hate you for it. I despise you at the very core of my being.
Voting for Harris, when Harris couldn’t get elected on her policies, wasn’t a vote to stop this. That’s what you need to get through your head. Harris handed back 6% of Democratic voters to the couch. That’s just self evident. She lost the election.
If you weren’t advocating that she move her policy positions to more popular positions within the base, you weren’t doing the thing you want to imagine yourself as having been doing.
History isn’t going to remember you as the good guy if you were telling people to suck it up and vote Harris: because no amount to telling people to suck it up and vote Harris was going to get her elected. There was precisely one path to get her elected: get her to change her position on Gaza.
She was objectively pro Israel and in her own Democrat way, pro genocide. She would not win the election with that position (again, self evident). If you were not advocating that she changed her position, and making it clear that she would lose the election if she didn’t, in that critical time period from August till November, you weren’t doing what you want to write yourself into history as having had done.
Go far enough, there wont be historians.
What you need to get through your head is that the group of people actively advocating for the abstaining of voting is why 6% did not vote for the lesser evil. At the same level of blame that the DNC lick’s Israel’s boots. And the 6% itself deserves this outcome, because we have FIRST PAST THE POST.
We did not have a primary. We should have. That’s a failure of the DNC and Biden as well.
So, given that I understand that the DNC as villains. That Israel are villains. MAGA are obviously all villains. Where does this leave left leaning independents and potential dem voters?
Each potential voter had a simple moral calculus in front of them:
Potential dem voters who did #1 are not the bad guys. #2 made an explicit choice and are scum, just like MAGA. Just like the DNC. Just like Biden.
This isn’t to say the every person who fits into category #1 is blameless: if they advocated for centrists or were pro-israel, yeah, they fit into the same as the DNC category. But the vast majority of the people who fit into category #1 did not do that. You suggesting such is incredible delusion.
I can see both sides of this. Yes, the moral and proper thing to do is to be anti-genocide and to take an anti-Israal, anti-Zionist position after the Gaza invasion. We were right to insist upon it as a condition for our vote and whoever the Dem nominee was should have taken a hard anti-Gaza war stance. However, the reality of the situation is that the vile monsters that control the party didn’t listen to us and ignored or talked around this issue for those sweet, sweet AIPAC dollars. We all know that they didn’t listen to us for an entire year. This was the reality on election day.
Knowing this, if you still voted for Trump, a third party, or “not at all” on election day instead of holding your nose and voting for Harris, you are just as responsible for the fascism we have now as any shitlib who was screaming at anyone and everyone to “fuck off, and fall in line” or “vote blue no matter who” before and during the election.
You didn’t have to tell anyone you were going vote for Harris. In fact, we should have been telling the Dem party that we will refuse to vote for them right up until the end. Hell, you can still deny today that you ever voted for Harris in 2024, as long as you actually did in secret.