Remember when he removed the Disney+ app from Teslas because he was angry over twitter ads? That kind of unreliable behaviour might have something to do with it.
I had no idea he did that but I’m also not surprised. That’s so funny.
It is hilarious, but it’s also very seriously something that would make most people reconsider their choice of vehicle.
Oh absolutely. Though with all the EVs on the market right now, Tesla isn’t a good choice, Elon or no. There are better EVs out there.
I think that this is the part that people miss. When it was new and unique, they had the market cornered. Now the big automakers have caught up and they have far more experience with this.
yeah, for a while they were the only option if you wanted an EV with >80 mile range, but there are other options today
Tesla’s no-dealerships, no-hassle purchasing experience is more like ordering something from Amazon instead of the usual, infuriating slog of trying to purchase a new car. Its strictly superior to the legacy car companies, and so are Tesla’s batteries.
But the entire rest of the vehicle isn’t the best anymore. The CEO’s loud, public support for fascism is just one more nail in the coffin for a brand that was already past its prime.
You can buy a car from Carvana for the listed price and they’ll deliver it to your home now. One less reason to buy Tesla.
Yeah and while the dealer network of major brands can be scummy, it also comes with pretty good parts networks, which Tesla still seems to lack, or actively impede.
We bought a Tesla nearly six years ago and this was why. He wasn’t quite such an obvious raging asshole at the time, but also we were hoping to signal with our wallet that we wanted manufacturers to step up EV production. Which they did. I’m happy with my car but if I had to replace it, I’d look at other options. Although I feel like my M3 is the only smallish car option on the market right now; everything is a freaking crossover and that’s not what I want to drive all the time.
Yeah. There’s a lot of products I use and buy where I really don’t like the owners or CEOs. I try to avoid what I can where I can, but some are so ubiquitous or monopolistic it’s quite tough. But this would get a hard pass from me, even if Teslas were far and away the best EV options.
If I can’t be sure the company’s policies aren’t going to be directly influenced by the fascist man-child CEO then I’m going to stay far away from the products. I have enough to worry about with corporate policies making stupid decisions for profit without watching an idiot throw tens of billions into an incinerator because of pride.
That was such a dumb move, not just because it was petty in and of itself, but because it means you now can’t separate Musk’s drama from his products. His antics will demonstrably spill over into fucking with your car, even after you bought it.
Yep. Maybe he’ll remove the functioning of the steer by wire in the cubertruck when he’s in an argument with waffle house next time.
Now imagine having all your shit tied up in X, The Everything App!™️* and you make a statement he doesn’t like or agree with one or whatever. Welp, there goes your bank account, social security info, personal medical data, and so on because you are being quarantined for the Woke Mind Virus
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*which will never actually become A Thing
My opinion is that nothing like D+ or Netflix or whatever should be on a central console in the first place. If it is there, there will always be a driver watching it instead of a road and killing someone as a result.
Until FSD is a thing, entertainment should be reserved for passengers.
As far as I know those systems are intended to be used either by second monitor in the back or only if the car is standing still.
When you have your lovely family time in the daily traffic jam. Or when you had to sell your TV and now go into your car to watch. /s
I personally think the idea on itself is stupid. However in China they are a step ahead and have even more of that shit. The point is that in china you won’t have much space in your flat in the big cities so you can move into your car because there is more space /s
The price of those cars with that stuff is starting at about 100k€ and only going up.
No normal human being is intented to buy these.
Tell me you’ve never driven one without telling me.
I did not, and have no plans to as i find the whole idea of touch screen controls in a car infuriating. That goes not for Tesla only, of course.
I wanted a Tesla and couldn’t afford it. Now I can afford it and I would buy one right now if it weren’t for Musk turning into a complete shit bag. (I realize he always was, but he hid it well and I thought he was an awesome dude) Fuck that guy, and fuck every company he’s a part of. I’ll just wait until conversion parts become cheap enough it’s worth playing with.
You’re gonna wait a long time then
Too many legacy car manufacturers are pushing back against the future, even after Tesla proved it’s here. I’m afraid your choices will be a long painful drag on the future, with protectionism, until the final collapse, and a wave of Chinese products sweeps away the debris of the last industrial age
Tesla didn’t prove shit. Musk was in the right place at the right time. Electric cars were coming regardless. The last thing he deserves credit for is that.
BS, electric vehicles still aren’t coming, if you look at the legacy manufacturers. They were forced by competition and regulation to make big investments and finally have a small number of a few models. Even with that, they’re retrenching, rather than progressing. It’s been a long time coming, and never would have happened without Tesla proving you could make compelling EVs and sell them at a profit.
US is low on EV adoption but rather than make affordable compelling EVs, legacy manufacturers are backtracking on their announcements, lobbying for protectionism, and trying through courts and lobbying to revert the new efficiency standards. They should be very afraid of BYD’s announced factory in Mexico, which will bypass the protectionism they’re hiding behind
Best indicator I can think of for the near future… At least 4 new gas stations have been built withing 2 miles of my apartment. They wouldn’t be doing that if the industry was poised to switch over to electric in the next 30 years.
The USs biggest problem with EV isn’t a lack of products. All the big three have EV or PHEV vehicles in their lineups now and they are all really great cars, especially for their price.
The real problem now is infrastructure. Public charging places, charging for apartment dwellers, hell even most older houses only have 100A (or less) service, and some don’t have the option to upgrade (or the upgrade is cost-prohibitive).
You could look at the lack of electric trucks, but trucks here are a status symbol for a certain demographic, and the last thing on that demographics mind is controlling greenhouse gas emissions. Most of them don’t even believe anthropomorphic climate change is real. Until that is fixed, there’s barely any market for them in the first place.
At this point we need sticks. We’ve dangled the carrot of the federal EV credit. Now we need a big tax for new fuel vehicle registrations. Let the the tax scale inversely with EPA MPG. Put that money towards investing in grid upgrades and subsidies for home and multi-dwelling building improvements to better support EVs.
I bought my first EV last month. I’ve been looking forward to making the switch for 10 years. I would have been happy to buy a Tesla back then (not that there were many options). I didn’t even consider it as an option now because of Musk.
Same.
My wife just got a new car and a Tesla would have been on our short list 4-5 years ago. We didn’t even consider it now.
Mostly because of musk but also because of their subscription BS, features that don’t transfer if you sell it, and their general failure to deliver on many(all?) of their self driving(and other) promises.
I could have probably talked myself into ignoring most of the shortcomings but with Musk–im not going to touch a Tesla. I don’t want to support that.
My father-in-law just bought a new car and said the same thing.
I’ll probably need a new car in a couple of years and I am excited about all of the other electric vehicles. Rivians, BMWs, etc.
Same.
We just bought the ev Blazer this weekend. Fuck Tesla.
From the same company feeding the trolls anti-EV propaganda when Tesla went through their growing pains, and now can’t admit that changing fundamental technology and scaling up can be hard. That Blazer is having all the same quality problems and growing pains people laugh at Tesla over - looks cool though, and was on my list as well
In my case, lack of CarPlay was a big factor against Blazer, although I’m ok with that on my Tesla, because at least they do good software
Same here. Every company sucks in some way but Musk is just the worst. We went with the Mach E and it’s been great so far. Not perfect but a huge improvement for us over ICE.
I was talking to a fervent Musk fan. He was explaining how much he loved how much Musk was pissing off liberals and how he was such a good businessman. I asked him if would ever buy a Tesla and he said no. I told him that Musk doesn’t sound like a very good businessman.
Maybe lefties boycotting Tesla will cause MAGAs to go electric… Silver lining?
I am avoiding Tesla because their design philosophy and decisions are gimmicky and don’t not prioritize functionality.
If I am going to spend big money on a car I am going with quality. Not some gimmicky pos where you can’t even open the doors if the battery cuts out. I’ll pass on the touchscreen with wheels.
I just bought my first EV and he’s precisely why I didn’t even consider a Tesla when it came down to it. Also it helps that I want buttons on my dash and not all screen. Ended up with a Hyundai Ioniq5, it’s boss.
Leaf owner here. Same story, but I went further down market. Charging options aren’t super great, but I’m getting good value out of this and a far less smug emissions than the Tesla folks. Zero regrets.
Good for you! 😃👍
completely the same here, loving the i5!
That’s a good car. Saw it on a car show and it’s a proper good looking and feeling car. Half the price of Tesla as well.
As someone who owns one, i bought it before i knew how truly awful he was. As a car it’s actully been really great, it’s s done just over 100,000k with zero issues no rattles, still feels new and I’d be lying if i didn’t admit it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. The only maintenance is tyre changes from wear.
What sucks is i hate being seen in it because it makes me look like a Musk fan boy, and I’m understating is when i say i dislike him intensely.
The reality is I probably won’t buy another Tesla when i eventually drive this to its grave, purely because of the association with possibly the world’s biggest douche.
I live in hope Tesla will jettison him from their company and refocus on just making eclectic cars without him, then i might consider staying with the brand. But if he’s there I won’t be, and clearly im not alone.
You are not alone. I’m a well paid engineering manager in silicon valley and I’m target demo for Teslas. I’m 90% sure I’ll buy an electric car for our family’s next car, however I absolutely won’t buy a Tesla as long as he’s running the company. And I like Teslas. I just dislike Musk more.
The only maintenance is tyre changes from wear.
And brakes, you gotta change the pads.
Regenerative braking reduces this need pretty significantly though
Yes, reduces but not eliminates. Just don’t want people thinking their EVs literally only need new tyres and that’s it.
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This reply is consistent with your patently false claim about brake pads on an EV. lol.
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100 megameters with no issues? How could Tesla not be #1 in car reliability rankings with that kind of performance? The rankings make it seem pretty average in terms of reliability.
That distance corresponds to about 4-8 years of regular driving. It’s really not unusual for any model of car to go that long without a major repair. When someone is claiming this is surprisingly good, it makes me think their bar is really low.
And for what they cost, that bar should be REALLY high.
I like when people choose less-frequently-used units. In felicific terms, reading your use of megameter raised my mood by at least 4.3 hedons.
That is also striking to me. Not the 100k example above, there always are outliers, but the situation overall.
It seems electric cars in general and Teslas in particular (given their headstart), having way less physical components that could break, must be considerably more reliable.
But no.
A friend bought a Tesla that came with a defective rear window from the factory, they found out when opening the door at home. A tech came out and sealed the door shut so the car could be used. It took 10 months before the car was repaired and the door was usable.
Their next purchase was not a Tesla, future purchases will not be a Tesla ever again. Just by the quality of their product.
Regardless, Musk is a douche nozzle.
Ya, this is the sort of thing which would keep me from buying Tesla. While Musk’s antics certainly don’t help, everything I hear about Tesla tends to revolve around poor quality control, terrible customer support and long delays in getting problems fixed. Even without Musk, I wouldn’t want any part of that.
We’re making our last payment on our EV this month, and a few weeks ago I brought up the idea of maybe trading it in for a newer EV, since our current one was starting to show signs of possible battery degradation and it’s a Leaf that’s stuck with CHAdeMO charging instead of CCS/NACS charging. My husband asked me what car we’d consider replacing it with, and the instant I floated maybe looking at a used Tesla, my husband barked back “Absolutely NOT!” And the thing was, I couldn’t find myself disagreeing, either.
I know that my husband and I are far from the only ones who think the same way.
I’m on vacation right now and renting a Mustang Mach-E. I never drove an EV before, but I gotta say I like it. Especially one pedal driving. I don’t think I can go back to regular driving now.
My brother has a Tesla, and also a dislike of Elon. I think the important thing to remember is that Tesla is a company of many people, and they even have a specific department to wrangle the Elon and his antics. He’s the “evil” attached to the capital they required to accelerate a much needed paradigm shift in American car culture. I don’t think I would get a Tesla personally, not because of shit that Elon is doing, but because I have concerns about production quality, repairability, and owners rights.
My BIL got a new Tesla a few weeks ago, my dad has an older one (4 years iirc). I’ve driven my dad’s one and I must say, I don’t like it as a car and the build quality is not great. Too much fiddling with the touchscreen to get basic things done. Then I looked at my BIL’s Tesla and it’s a hard no now. You can’t remove the stick for the indicators. It’s moronic.
It’s not just Elon that makes me not even consider a Tesla. He’s just an extra reason to not consider the brand.
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Does saying this make you feel like a good person? Because it doesn’t make you sound like one.
buy buy buy
Have you considered that not everyone’s transportation needs, financial situation, and living arraignment are the same?aybe people live different lives with different needs because they need to. Some might live different lives because they want to.
I think it is great that this person is in a position in their life that when they needed a car, most likely 5 years ago, they were able to buy an ev, and pay it off. Good for them on the small victories in life.
Wow oil companies are trying everything to retain their relevance
Mate what? They’re saying They’re gonna get an EV since their current one is degrading. Just because someone isn’t getting Tesla doesn’t mean They’re getting an ICE. The fact is that there are other EVs now that offer better value propositions without all the baggage that comes with Tesla
Maybe for you… Not in the US my dude. Companies work so hard to quell competition that prices are kept artificially high. I would love to have a BYD Dolphin Mini.
I’m specifically talking about the us. Its the only EV market I really track because it’s the only one I’d be buying in.
Want a Tesla 3? The Ford Mach-E is cheaper and has longer range, as is also the case for the KIA EV6 and Hyundai IONIQ 5 (all with better fit and finish than the Tesla).
Interested in the Tesla Model Y? The Cadillac LYRIC gets a little less range, but its very comparable.
The only one that actually is strong in its price category is the Model S and there I’d say the Mercedes Benz EQS SUV isn’t so far behind that I think you’d suffer from deep uncontrollable buyers remorse (not to mention quality control on a Merc is gonna be almost unmatched by ANY auto manufacturer)
The model x, while cheaper than the Lucid Motors Air, is no longer the all out range king. Its also MORE expensive per mile of range so I’d call it a wash. Again. All I’m saying is other vehicles offed better value propositions than Tesla, not that every Tesla offering is a bad car. If you want an EV these days it doesn’t need to be a Tesla unless you really want it to be a Tesla.
Finally. The cyber truck. What can I say about the cybertruck? A lot it turns out! Fuck that vehicle. What fucking coked out moron designed that thing and what do they think trucks are for? Rivian and Ford both already have vehicles out that beat Tesla to be first to market and both have actual beds designed for actual truck stuff. The cyber truck is just a rich person toy for people who want to have a truck because trucks make them feel big and powerful but have never looked into what a truck is
I’d have been a buyer for the CT if Elon had kept the price target
Tesla would do well to distance themselves from Musk, for a lot of reasons. But it may be too late - the damage to their reputation may already be fatal.
They could definitely bounce back if the board fired him and the new head of the company made changes that actually made the cars better, rather than make the model numbers spell S3XY or have the horn make a fart noise for a premium or make and sell whatever the fuck the
Powell Motors HomerCybertruck is.The problem is that Elons con man routine is the only reason Tesla is so overvalued. I’m sure they are afraid that if they let him go the stock price would readjust to a reasonable market price.
No matter what you think of him, he is brilliant at conning a tech enthusiast’s money out of their wallets.
Oh, it’s not the only reason, and the other may actually be worse. They sold $1.8 billion of carbon credits to other auto manufacturers last year. Which is pretty much free money to them. And hastens climate change, but, you know, free money.
That just comes with the territory of being wealthy, which he lucked into thanks to Peter Thiel taking a liking to him (probably because he wanted to fuck him). People confused the companies he invested in which happened to be successful despite him, and would probably more successful if he weren’t involved- see SpaceX when Shotwell took over day-to-day operations.
Lots of people, otherwise smart people, smell someone with money and say, “I want to go to there” because they think wealth can be transmitted through close contact.
I call it the Biggest Asshole in the Room strategy. Capitalists can be extremely successful by simply being the biggest asshole in the room. Smarter, more talented, better comnected people will cater to the biggest asshole in the room simply because it makes life easier to appease them. See also: Trump, Jobs, Bezos, Gates, anybody on Shark Tank, Ortega, Murdoch, Koch Bros, etc., all masters of the strategy. It’s a personality type that aligns perfectly with the free market where inertia and friction generate profit from the work of creation, innovation, and productivity.
Nah this iant true at all. I covered this in another xomment so Im gonna copypasta it here…
Tesla has the following:
Custom AI silicon designed by the designer of Apple’s M1 chip. It’s designed for training. They are about to scale it massively to create the Dojo supercomputer. They look to be on par with NVidia on performance/$. No small feat, and means they arent reliant on NVidia
They have custom inferrence chips used in all of their cars and their android robot. It gets fantastic performance per watt. My 5 year old car has first-gen inferrence chips and it’s still getting better with software… meaning it hasnt reached its potential. The latest chip design is probably much better, but I dont know much about it
They have possibly the best humanoid hands and arms that will work with this AI goodness.
Their walking and navigation is looking to be top notch… We’ll see
FSD really is incredible. I drive with it and it improves every year. Just got 12.3 and it’s pretty bomb.
Tesla solar is still a thing. The model 3 kinda derailed development a while back and it never really recovered. I think competitors are doing well and Tesla sees better returns on their other projects. Tesla needs to bring down their Solar prices which they just dont seem to be doing. Im guessing they dont want to scale manufacturing yet.
They have some of the largest casting machines on the planet and press out the frames of their cars for far cheaper than their competition can stamp and weld theirs. Stellantis and Toyota are adopting this manufactiring strategy as fast as they can, but they are a year or maybe 2 behind. I suspect Ford, VW and GM are adopting this too.
Tesla factory floors are much more efficient at iterating and improving. Their in-house software for managing workers and workflow development are unique to Tesla. Just look at the efficient packaging of their HVAC system after dozens of iterations every year for a couple years. It’s by far the best HVAC in the car world.
They have developed a lithium clay extraction process that vastly reduces chemical waste and water usage. They’re still 5 or so years out from implementing this in even a small capacity and clay extraction isnt guaranteed to be superior to spodumene. I expect the efforts they’re putting to this will pay off in 15 years.
They own lithium clay rights in Nevada where some of the richest Lithium clay deposits are. I think theyre doing permitting for mining, which will probably take to the end of the decade. Mining’s crazy
They offer the best price for grid-scale batteries and are growing that business faster than their cars grew. Hawaii just replaced their last coal peaker plant with Tesla batteries. California and Australia are saving a lot of money with them. The batteries pay for themselves when used to replace peaker plants and stuff to maintain frequency.
They are growing so-called virtual power plants and have been doing extremely well in a few test locations in Texas, Australia and Puerto Rico. I think the UK too?
After funding and working with the inventor of the lithium battery’s team they’ve been getting first looks at new battery chemistry. The thick walls of their 4680 are designed with adding silicon in mind. I suspect theyre testing this out at Kato road production facility.
They’ve collected a bunch of battery manufacturing patents over the years and their dry-electrode process is providing very good economics. Getting them to scale has been excruciatingly slow, but they’re about to triple capacity this year in Texas and I think are starting development of another iteration of their 4680 battery production process at their Kato road facility right now.
They are on track for becoming a top-three battery manufacturer by the end of the decade.
GM and Ford’s battery packs are like 5 years behind tesla’s. Tesla packs more battery in less volume using less weight with better thermals and ridgidity. Their packs are a lot cheaper to produce too.
Tesla claims they have a ferro magnet motor in development. We’ll see. If so, watch out for very cheap electric cars with no rare-earths or cobalt
They just signed deals with BP and an another conglomerate to sell chargers for the other business’ charging infrastructure. More volume means cheaper manufacturing for their own charging stations too.
All cars will soon have the NACS plug so everyone will be able to charge at a Tesla station… Which is the largest and most reliable charging network in the world.
Battery prices keep falling. Gas cars are going to have to compete with cheaper electric by the end of the decade. Tesla isnt competing with other electric car makers so much as it’s competing with fossil fuels. Electric will win this. The faster the better
Elon has contributed to these only in a “we’re gonna fund these wild ideas!” Way. Like Edison. He’s smart and avoided bad projects and embraced fast failing to great success… Things are maturing and I dont think there’s much value to get from Elon…
Tesla will be fine without Elon. I’d argue better.
The only fear of Elon leaving would be big oil investors buying control and derailing things… I dont think that’ll happen though. I think enough investors are in it specifically to eliminate fossil fuel dependency.
The fear of Elon staying is he drags Tesla into his edgelord bullshit and uses it to dick over the world as hard as he and some dictator/billionaire friends can… Which seems more likely
After he derailed the CA bullet train with his hyperloop hyperbole and joked on twitter abould the Bolivian coup, I dont trust his ass one bit.
I think the problem with these claims is that they’re all being made by Musk. Who has proven time and time again that he over-promises and under delivers literally every project he associates himself with.
If we actually look at where they are actually making their money it’s primarily just in their vehicle sales/leasing. They aren’t a silicon valley start up, they are a vehicle manufacturer, and when we analyze them as such, there is no real way to equate them with having 10x the market cap of ford.
I dont trust his ass one bit.
I don’t know how you could not trust him one bit, yet trust that what he claims Tesla is doing is what Tesla is actually doing. Custom ai chip, dojo super computer, android robot with the best hands…all of these seem like marketing scams. How does this improve the sale of cars to a significant degree? Seems like he’s just like every tech bro in the country scrambling for the new block chain, or VR type marketing gimmick.
They’re all fields of study that already have huge companies that have already invested significant amounts of capital and research on. What makes us assume that Tesla is going to be able to profit from these ventures when they haven’t even figured out how to make a truck?
I’m not claiming that Tesla is a worthless company, I just don’t think they’re worth 10x more than the most popular vehicle manufacturer in America.
I only have one question about the Cyber truck. Why haven’t I ever seen a rusty DeLorean, especially considering I have seen DeLoreans that lived in KY, GA, MS, AL, and LA
(Louisiana, not the city in California, not to be confused with Canada. Why TF do we reuse so many two-four letter abbreviations?)
The general theory is that they used a cheaper grade of stainless, specifically one that is still magnetic because it makes material handling easier during manufacture, meaning higher iron content, meaning more prone to rust if you don’t pay extra for the clear vinyl wrap. People will say the “real” name of the material is “stain less” steel, which is not true – “stainless steel” is just 1910’s marketing wank – but it is accurate enough as a description.
There’s a reason “Stainless Steel” is referred to as CRES (Corrosion Resistant Steel) more commonly in industry.
You won’t see rusting DeLoreans because there wasn’t very many made and they have always been something special. If you’re seeing one, it’s been cared for. But find one in a junkyard, they might not have that shine
They need to first fix the myriad of issues that plague the Cybertruck, from its reduced range from its pre-released advertised figures, to its inability to handle cold weather, to its difficulty in off-road terrain, to its stainless steel panels now rusting only months after its release.
None of that matters. I just like riding around town in one of Lara Croft’s breasts.
S3XY
Do they? Or could they just junk them all and move past them like the complete mistake they are?
Don’t forget to fix the eyesore and the stupid name.
It’s 👏 not 👏 a 👏 truck 👏 it’s 👏 a 👏 fugly 👏 car. 👏
WWSJD? Cancel the cybertruck. Clean house.
WWSJD? What Would Super Josh Do?
Steve Jackson, noted TTRPG publisher.
the damage to their reputation may already be fatal
Definitely. Tesla = Musk in my mind and always has been ever since it blew up with promises of a greater tomorrow that never materialized. All it did was up the EV competition, imo.
Yeah there was a time I thought they were enviable. Now it would just be such an embarrassment.
I’m someone who’s buying an EV and due to Elon alone, I won’t buy a Tesla. I’ve wanted one for so long but waited for the data to show how well they hold up after years of use and now that the data is out, I’m buying a non-Tesla. Thanks Elon, you moron.
Sure, be repelled by the dork, but stay away because of the unsafe lack of tactile dashboard controls.
The fact that they removed the stalks on the steering column so all functions are on the screen is reason enough. Do I really want to slide my finger up/down to change from D to R? I know they have wipers on the steering wheel, as well as turn signals but the changing of gears? Hard pass.
I literally sold mine because I was embarrassed to drive one after Musk called that cave diver a pedophile.
And that was just the tip of the shitberg.
I have a datapoint of 1, but I’ve also heard from my wife that when she’s traveling outside the US, so many cab companies and rideshare drivers have started using Teslas that the brand prestige is taking a hit, regardless of quality (which is also low).
Interesting… where I’m from most cabs are Mercedes limousines. I never heard about people thinking less of Mercedes because they are popular with taxi drivers.
The damage to their design certainly could be reversed though.
Didn’t someone have a picture of a Tesla in the wild with a bumper sticker that read something like: “I bought this before I knew Elon was a complete idiot.”
I’ve seen that sticker in person, multiple times.
Also seen a few Teslas that were completely debranded.
Unfortunately, debadging is a pretty common thing in the car community regardless of how well liked the car is
I see it on a lot of BMWs
And then you get people who not only have the premium badges but also a license plate that say the cars make or model AND a frame around the plate that also says it lul. I see it all the time in Cali. I want to de badge my car, mostly cause if they want me to advertise for them they should be paying me. It’s just that the front and back badges are indented Into the car and I haven’t found any replacements I like. I also haven’t found any custom maker online, maybe I just need to commission a 3d printer to try something for me.
Option from the factory.
Lol, my Chevy bolt was debranded when I bought it.
Didn’t realize that. Purely anecdotally, I don’t recall seeing any debadged cars other than Teslas out on the road, but it’s not like I’ve been looking for them.
Debranded? Nice. I dislike that modern cars are covered in logos and tacky chrome symbols and words. Give me a nice plain car with nothing but paint on the outside.
Buying that for my neighbor. We’re both Jews. Called him out last year and he acknowledged it but they bought the car a while ago.
I feel so smug in the fact that I never liked the guy, never bought into the hype…
I don’t know what’s going to save the human race folks, but it’s not going to be a billionaire in a cock measure contest.
I’m another one in this camp. Had a Model 3 for five years and loved the car, but moved internationally and had to sell it. Looking at EVs again of course but uninterested in Tesla because of this guy - that and his staunch refusal to add CarPlay. What kind of a moron refuses to add phone support to a $60,000 car?
Considering that Apple in the future is going to require even tighter integration with CarPlay (including handing over control to all screens and sensors to CarPlay), which Tesla may not like.
Prosecutors described [the next generation of CarPlay] insidiously as taking “over all of the screens, sensors, and gauges in a car, forcing users to experience driving as an iPhone-centric experience if they want to use any of the features provided by CarPlay.”
And yet, hearing a legacy manufacturers version of this story from a family member who works there, my impression is Apple is taking a stand on both usability and privacy. Their stance is mostly on the data collection they will be unable to do.
I understand Lemmy has a thing against Apple, and doesn’t like some of their customer protection choices, but many of them really would be in our best interest
Tesla is actually the only car company I give a pass on this, because their software is good. Companies like GM, on the other hand, with a history of horrible software and excessive secret data collection, ditching CarPlay and claiming they can offer something better is total BS. Yeah, your “better” is h why CarPlay exists in the first place
That makes sense. But in that case, why doesn’t apple impose data privacy standards on cars that want to integrate CarPlay? It would still allow car manufacturers to design their own software. I’m not sure I’d trust CarPlay to safely operate all of the sensors and displays in a car. What if the speedometer freezes for example? Or if the car suddenly detects a car in front of it (that doesn’t exist) and brakes because of it? It just seems like a really bad idea to grant such levels of control of the car to CarPlay, which isn’t evaluated to the same level as standard built-in car software is (afaik).
Or, better yet, Apple should lobby for comprehensive data privacy laws in the style of GDPR, which would at least help resolve these privacy issues industry-wide. And, to their credit, it seems like they are to an extent. My opinion is that hardware car functions, such as air conditioning, windshield wipers, seat warming, etc. should be managed by the car software, and navigation and music should be managed by CarPlay. Though of course opinions may differ here.
allow car manufacturers to design their own software
Maybe, but Apple is a software company; car manufacturers are not. Apple has a reputation for quality and design of software; car manufacturers do not.
Software is well outside the core competency of any car manufacturer, so I do believe it will end up being created and maintained by separate entities. Apple is taking their shot
If we are talking about embedded software and firmware that runs sensors and controls that have to do with powertrain or driving, I think that has to be part of the car itself and not rely on a connection to a third party device.
So maybe Apple’s strategy involves partnering with car companies on embedded systems, and then also defining a wider interface to send info back and forth between the car and phone.
The part about car play taking over the screens sounds ok from a safety perspective, but not so much controlling things in real time. The car would obviously need to be able to run the screens without an iPhone, and immediately fail over to that default.
And Apple has their own silicon and hardware engineers. Maybe they want to provide the actual hardware behind the infotainment system as well. Your car could have “find my,” and have seamless interaction with your phone in your pocket.
I guess then it would come down to personal preference. They probably won’t play nice with Android auto, but the all-Apple experience will probably be very solid. That’s generally what they do. They limit options and piss off a bunch of us computer literate people, but if you are willing to use their integrated product their way, it’s generally good.
It would probably also generate a lot of sales if put into some entry-level luxury cars. Like the type of consumer that literally does see their always-new iPhone Pro Max as a status symbol.
phone manufacturers who refuse to use a standard communication system.
Believe me, if i was a vehicle manufacturer, i would be equally as pissed about there being two different standards, that work completely differently.
I make enough to buy any of his cars.
I just bought an EV and his cars were not considered because he’s a piece of shit.
