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And not even enough. As a society we’re condoning too much when it’s about cars.
Going 100 in a 30 should be charged as “attempted massacre” if stopped. Because it’s not an “accident” anymore when you go that fast.
And driving that fast in a residential area without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, should be an aggravating circumstance and not the opposite.
I wonder what the finnish Mayday psychosis guy got for driving and crashing his Mercedes at like 180 km/h through a narrow and extremely busy street (30 or 40 km/h zone) got. He didn’t hurt anyone IIRC but he also could have killed like 20 people. I’ll edit this comment when find the video and the verdict.
edit1: the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpNI2BQYrE&pp=ygUSdmFwcHUgbWVyc3Uga29sYXJp
edit2: ok he “only” drove at 100km/h and injured 2 people. He was accused of 11 cases of attempted manslaughter among other things. All charges dropped.
Apparently he had just proposed to his bride, she said yes, it was the happiest day of his life and he completely snapped. No drugs or alcohol involved.
So dwi should not be an aggravating circumstance?
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For reference for those using freedom units that’s roughly 60 mph in a 20 mph zone
Bonus. In eagle burger land that will either land you:
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$200 fine and 2 points on your license (varies on state)
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shot in the face (dwb and reaching for a
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nothing (hello fellow patrolman, have a great day killing pet dogs)
Source: I’m a red-blooded freedom loving eagle burger citizen
Freedom units? You mean the ones used by your British masters?
If the Brits were still our masters we’d have a single player healthcare system. Still have an odd fixation on the monarchy tho.
America, when chavs get money and declare independence
Laughs in Marshall Plan
While true, it’s always the insurance and fees that get you. This is why I don’t understand states that post their speeding fines: they’re low enough to not stop anyone, but also don’t give the true cost
Here in Massachusetts
Your first speeding ticket … lose your Excellent Driver Plus Discount and see your premiums rise and stay higher for six years!
Plus that kind of excessive speed will almost certainly also get you reckless driving
For surcharge purposes, reckless driving is treated the same as DUI [or a major at-fault accident]. This could result in a huge insurance premium increase.
Okay so i know you’re replying to the first point, and everything you’ve said is valid.
However, I mentioned the inherent racism and corruption that exists in US law enforcement in a very tongue-in-cheek way, and your reply of “while true” was just… oh man, yeah, chef’s kiss
But yes, it’s the collateral affects that really get you. Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol
(For those in countries with functioning governments, in the US 30kph is usually reserved for school zones during restricted hours)
Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol
Was in traffic court with a relative years back, and a woman was arguing that going 37Mph in a school zone when buses are unloading wasn’t an issue because she was A) on the other side of the road from the school, and B) paying close attention.
Because she contested it, and likely because of her poor defense, she got higher fines, court costs added, and IIRC, a penalty like safe driving school or suspension.
BTW, her being on the other side of the road was because she swerved into oncoming traffic to put her there. Great times hanging out in traffic court in big cities…
I think even Frank Caprio would throw the book at her
I was in traffic court in the 1990s and saw a guy get sent to jail for driving 75 miles per hour on a 25 miles per hour road.
This was in Virginia. The person refused a lawyer. He looked like he was maybe 22. The look of surprise on his face when he was led off to jail was priceless.
People regularly do that speed in my neighborhood that has a 25mph limit. The only time I see cops around is when they’re looking for the tweaker down the street so they can arrest him for whatever shit he stole this week, have him rat out other tweakers, and immediately release him to do the same thing again later.
Catch and release is vital for a healthy ecosystem. It allows for sport catching without impacting breeding programs. Done correctly, a sportsman can take progressive trophy photos throughout the quarry’s life
In the eagle burger state of SheetzWawa you lose your license if you’re doing more than double the speed limit.
That’s probably true for your neighbor to the West as well. I stopped speeding when gas hit $3/gallon lol
In what state is 40MPH over not a minimum 4 point ticket? Even in incredibly lax Michigan, 10 over puts you at 2 points and 15+ is 4 points, and that’s only on limited access highways. It’s jurisdiction dependent, but you can usually add 2 points to each of those if it’s off the interstate. They’re also almost definitely going to hit you with a reckless driving charge, especially in a 25MPH zone.
Burgerland can be pretty lax when it comes to speeding and reckless driving, and you might be able to work the fine/points down to that with a good lawyer and having zero prior infractions, but acting like a $200 fine and 2 points for doing 60 in a 20 is normal is just a flat out falsehood.
A couple of years ago, the police here stopped a pickup truck driver going about 105MPH in a 55MPH zone, although people routinely drive 70. The driver just claimed that they weren’t used to the powerful engine, and the cops gave them a warning and sent them on their way.
(Wisconsin, for the record.)
TBH i was just making up numbers, it was more of a shitpost than anything. Yeah sixty in a twenty will get your more than a slap on the wrist for sure
Unless you’re a cop lol
Fair enough lol. It can be hard to tell sometimes given our laws, but also the amount of people who’ll make shit up/wildly exaggerate about the US and people believe it on here because US Bad™.
Sadly the cop thing is basically 100% true and usually only gets worse the smaller the town/jurisdiction.
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Even as a car owner, I have no problems accepting Swiss-level regulations for this kind of criminal behavior.
Only 2 years suspension is a slap on the wrist for what is essentially an attempt at stochastic murder. We need to stop treating driving licenses as a universal right and stop clearly unfit people from sitting behind the wheel.
i’m of the opinion that we should have a 2 strike system, first strike means you have to re-do your license from the ground up including any costs and undergo psychological evaluation to see if it’s safe to give you a second chance, and second strike means you simply do not get to drive again, tough shit.
A suspended license should however come with a free public transport ticket such that you can get around reasonably, add the cost needed to finance that to the price of getting a license in the first place if that’s what it takes.
If we stop treating driving as functionally a right we have to stop treating owning a car as functionally mandatory to having a job and being able to feed and house yourself.
What do you do in the US if you need a job but don’t have a license? You drive anyways and just deal with the risk. The problem is that people HAVE to drive so we can’t really in good faith take the ability to drive away from most people as most when pushed to their limit couldn’t stop driving if they wanted to.
Lmfao, what the fuck is “an attempt at stochastic murder”? #onlyonthefed
It’s plain ol’ reckless driving.
In Berlin a driver went 73 in a 30 zone, passed a truck on the right using a bus lane, and murdered a cyclist.
Three years later, he still walks free and it looks like he always will.
Noted: if you want to murder someone, use a car.
In Germany
anywhere
Not true. In America it’s easier to use a police uniform.
But everybody’s already got a car, so that’s easy. To use a police uniform, you’ve got to fail an IQ test first.
All fines should be income dependent. Especially for all flavours of corporation, in which case there should be no upper limit. If the corp goes bankrupt because they broke the law hard enough it should either go out of business or become a public entity if it’s vital.
Meanwhile, in the US, going 74 mph in a 25 and killing someone? No consequences as long as you’re a cop.
Fuck cops.
Austria passed a law recently to confiscate and auction off your vehicle in cases like this.
The problem is most cars are given back after being impounded for a bit, because you have to really speed for confiscation to stick. 80km/h over in the city (50km/h limit… so 130km/h in the city…) and 90km/h on the Autobahn (130km/h limit) or Country roads (100km/h limit) so it’s fairly toothless.
In the eyes of the law, ownership is one of the most fundamental and strongest rights, i’m surprised they managed to pull this off in general without it being unconstitutional
Denmark will also confiscate and scrap or resell your car if you go a certain percentage over the limit. 100 in a 30 zone would be enough.
You don’t have to be a citizen or the owner of the car; if the car is found speeding, that car is getting taken.
It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland
So I can steal a car from someone I don’t like, speed in front of a camera, and their car will be destroyed?
Not a problem. In that case you’d also have theft charges and would be liable for the car’s value in civil court (or whatever the Danish equivalent is).
It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland
Nice one
Same reason for swiss.
im all for it except for literally scrapping a perfectly good vehicle
they must know crushing and manufacturing a whole entire new car to replace it is costly as fuck to the environment and our pockets? putting it in the hands of someone who might need it is literally free.
In Latvia we have solved this for now, we’re just sending the confiscated cars to Ukraine.
Sends a great fucking message though.
i dont care about messages in this context, if we crush cars without an alternative we will just force people to indebt themselves with new cars, and that just makes the problem worse. early obsolescence is not the answer.
The context is going 70kph over the speed limit, or 233% over the limit.
Not sure about Germany and Switzerland, but here 30kph zones are used for school corridors and pedestrian areas.
Some fuckwit driving 100 kph in one of these is tantamount to attempted manslaughter.
Someone doing this shouldn’t need to worry about a new car, because they shouldn’t even be able to buy a new car before rehabilitation.
sure, throw that bastard in jail. still, a car that can do that speed can be given (or at least auctioned) to someone who will use it fairly until its useful life is spent, and we can replace it with something better. we do that here when we catch criminals doing stuff like this on vehicles.
force people to indebt themselves with new cars
Not if you make alternative means of transport available like they do in both Germany and Switzerland
Also, could lead to perverse incentives if they re-sold the vehicles or gifted them to people (who may or may not happen to know people who help run the program).
Crush it with the driver inside it. One less car needed and eliminates the chance on recidivism!
Weil Autoland Deutschland, darum.
Going 100 in a 30 zone means you don’t care about killing a child if one happens to step out on the street.
Boggles my mind how you’re able to ever legally drive again after that.That will kill adult too
Not familiar with how EU countries decide what speeds to put where, but if they are anything like the US, they might be referring to the fact that 30 KPH is basically what a school zone would have posted, but yeah speed limits exist for your safety and the safety of others, if it’s 30KPH, there’s probably a reason.
In the UK it was originally based on something like the 85th percentile: the speed most drivers would normally pick for the road given no imposed limit.
These days it’s more based around what politicians live where, so we have dual carriageways with central reservations, which would normally be 70mph, but because some fancy nob has a house there and doesn’t like noise, it’s got to be 40mph. They don’t say that though, they say it’s down to too many accidents in the area, or speed reduction for air quality or some other nonsense (if it was for air quality then the limit’d be 60mph due to the designed-in peak efficiency at 55mph).
True, but it’s more emotive to talk about killing kids.
5mph is enough to flatten an unwary rat but nobody’s putting speed limits out that are that low.
How about 5 kmph?
Where I live (Australia) it’s $962 (€586) and a 12 month licence suspension. $2,212 if you do it in a truck.
What’s interesting is that if you turn your head to look at a phone in your passenger’s hand while stationary at a red light, it’s a $545 fine and 4 points off your 12-point licence.
Drives me up the wall when people talking “oh it’s all just revenue rasing!” No, it’s no where near harsh enough.
I’m not a fan of cameras popping up in 40 zones that were once 60 zones… but at least the speeding fines can scale by severity.
Things like phones and running red lights, are absolute. You can inadvertently crawl forward at 1km/h, trip the red light camera, and stop again without actually obstucting oncoming traffic. The offence (and punishment) is no different to blasting through at full-speed 10 seconds after it has turned red.
While using a phone while stopped at a red light is bad, it is nowhere near as bad as sending a text at highway speed. The fine will also apply if the phone is turned off, or you’re just taking it out of your pocket and passing it to a passenger. Absolutely no chill with it.
In Germany red light cameras take two pictures shortly apart to determine whether you just stopped too late or ran the light.
They do that here too. One to show the light red before crossing, and another to show the car has moved over the line. People have been fined for moving forward a car length.
Oh apologies, I’m with you on small offences like you mentioned.
It’s mostly when people seem to get mad at the existence of speed cameras at all.
We’re not as car-brained as the US, but heck, I think people forget we’re piloting something quite heavy at speed, and it should be respected accordingly.
If what you mentioned is true, then that’s nuts. Surely there should be jail time and permanent bans for wreckless driving, even if it’s a first offence, right?
based shitting on trucks
Honestly can’t get enough of that, I am so tired of people driving around vehicles optimized for murdering children for no reason.
Oh, their definition of “truck” is 4500kg+ and operated on a heavy vehicle licence.
We call those comically large security blankets on wheels “utes” these days. They’re getting out of hand in Australia. For every car I see under 1000kg, I would see 100 cars that weigh over 2000kg.
Update: I checked last month’s sales stats in Australia. 105,023 vehicles sold, 306 of which weigh under 1000kg. That’s 0.3%.
It is disgusting because people want trucks with super high hoods because they look like cowboy belt buckles and it’s masculine… but the reason cars haven’t been built to look like that in the past is because it is a pathologically murderous way to design a vehicle that will inevitably get in accidents with other cars and pedestrians at some point. I can’t walk around wielding a giant machete in broad daylight and have people treat me like that is acceptable behavior, why do we treat driving around a vehicle optimized to hurt other people in accidents as acceptable behavior? Especially when the reason is “idk, it looks cool, especially once I lift it”.
I think the design of pickups really pretty precisely tracks the retreat of conservatism from pretending to honor basic social contracts in favor of outright embracing violence against The Other whoever that might be defined as. Giant pickups are just a physical manifestation of marketing department’s best guess at what the interior psyche of conservative masculinity desires, and that desire has clearly gravitated more and more towards embracing violence and lack of caring for the consequences of ones actions on others and that is a scary thought.
Autoland 🚘🇩🇪
I was drove through germany and was stopped by tge autobahn polizei. I didn’t know the tempo limit was 120 in this specific spot and went like 180 or faster. I talked to the cops and he asked me if i wanted to pay cash or whatever. I was a bit shocked and told him that i don’t have a whole lot of money on me. It was like 100 something euros. I thought i was looking at a 2000+ euro fee.
in my country they just give you a fine
