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I am not convinced any significant number of people voted for Trump because they supported Palestine. Feels like a massive straw man meant to stoke divisions in the left.
No, they didn’t, but I think a lot of people didn’t vote for Harris who otherwise would have
we are simultaneously a small amd pathetic minority, but also able to swing a major election on a major country. just pick one already.
I mean, honestly, I don’t think people protesting Democrats because of the genocide were what caused Dems to lose. I honestly believe it was because the Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires. That being said, anyone who voted for trump thinking he’d be better is an absolute fool.
i don’t think leftists voted for trump though.
Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires.
Agreed. It’s why the number of people who just didn’t vote dwarfs the number of people who switched parties.
It may have been a factor in Michigan. Their are about 300 Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan, an estimated 200K of which are registered to vote, and Uncommitted vote had about 100K votes in the primary, which is less than Trump’s margin of victory. There’s going to be a lot of nuance examining how the anti-Genocide voters might have affected the electoral map, and I’m not sure we’ll ever get a straight answer.
It doesn’t matter to people who share these memes, though. They don’t like looking at the numbers. In their head, they have an image of a young, entitled white kid with a Genocide Joe sign who just wouldn’t listen to reason. An analysis would probably show that person is more likely to be Arab or Muslim with close ties to the Palestinian community, and that knowledge would make them uncomfortable.
5 million is a small minority in a country of 300 million.
5 million votes means a lot when it’s a close election.
Sounds like the Dems should have pandered better to them then. They had a billion dollars to find out what marginal vote block would give them the edge.
Even if Dems won Michigan, they still lost Georgia and Pennsylvania. 5 million votes is a lot, but where those votes come from matter in our system
Progressives are 8% of the voting population. So they are more like 27 million voters.
it wasnt close though.
it’s almost like every vote matters.
*~only applies to swing states~
None of them voted for Trump. You can look at the voting numbers. Trump’s numbers are pretty much in line with what he got in 2020. He didn’t gain votes she lost them. People stayed home.
Staying home this election was a vote for Trump. Hope they like it.
At a certain point Democrats are going to have to remember that they can’t just rely on the other side being worse. If you don’t sell yourself to your voters if you don’t give them a reason to vote for you then you’re going to keep losing. They act entitled to everyone’s votes. Entitlement is a big problem when it comes to Democrats. People didn’t respond to them saying it was Hillary’s turn. People didn’t seem to respond to them saying it was Harris’s turn. Democrats don’t seem to like democracy. They claim to, but when it comes time to participating democracy they’re not big fans.
At a certain point Democrats are going to have to remember that they can’t just rely on the other side being worse.
If this election didn’t wake them the fuck up, then nothing will. I’m not expecting anything to change though. It’s going to be the same every election because they refuse to make a meaningful change.
They do what their buyers tell them to, that is no reforms. They tell the same to the other party. Most companies “donate” to both parties. They don’t care who wins, they bought both.
Democrats don’t seem to like democracy. Voters don’t care about democracy. Republicans actually hate democracy.
Why do we follow democracy again? Let’s just give Trump endless terms, once and for all.
I think voters realize that this isn’t a “democracy” in any meaningful sense. What’s the point of even voting outside of a swing state? The whole system is a con created so slave masters can stay in power.
That’s a cynical take. Thinking the President is the only office worth voting for, is inaccurate. Imagine what Congress can do, if every voter was diligent. The president can do nothing but toe the line, in that case.
Outside of a swing state, you can still vote on local and down-ticket candidates who match your values. You can vote on state propositions, like funding for public transportation.
Civic participation is like getting your voice heard. The more voices we have, the less extreme the country will be.
Sitting on the sidelines watching the country tear itself apart is not really helping anyone, in my opinion.
Yeah, about that ship that you think hasn’t sailed yet…
There’s not going to be a next election for you, kitties.
I mean, it works with the Republican campaign, why didn’t work for the Democrats campaign? Literally, Trump spent most of his campaign demonizing the other side.
That’s what irks me about the “Harris lost because she ran a terrible campaign” argument. The reality is, Trump ran a far worse campaign. In the final months, the dude was up on stage saying stuff that made medical physicians think he was mentally declining. The guy wasn’t forming sentences, and he was talking about the size of some dudes dick.
We have all of these people trying to explain Harris’s failure without also recognizing the campaign that Trump ran. This is not a genuine way of analyzing the results of this election. The reality is Harris’s campaign had some blunders, but the Trump campaign had far more major blunders in comparison; but he still won. I would like to know how that happened…
You missed the Crux of what I said. You have to earn their votes. You have to give them what they want. That’s what Republican voters want. They want the hatred. Of course that won’t work on Democrats or leftists. If it did they’d be Republicans. What appears to be a blunder to one side is a victory to the other. If the Cheney’s had stood up there with Trump and praised him Republicans would have loved it, for the other side it made our skin crawl.
Drag has not confirmed this rumour, but has heard that Trump got less votes in solid states and more votes in swing states. Apparently it was a lower turnout election in all categories except for Trump voters in swing states.
Doesn’t matter. Sitting Democrats don’t care about the Palestinians. We all saw the delays and empty promises to do anything at all. And the Democrats really didn’t have much else of a platform to offer. That is why dem voters didn’t show up.
We all saw the delays and empty promises to do anything at all.
They straight-up lied about the 30-day deadline for humanitarian aid. I mean we knew it was a lie when it was announced, but at this point I feel like they are openly insulting everyone who gives a shit about Palestinians.
Good point, we should elect a fascist dictator and abolish democracy forever. Then the Democrats will HAVE to prepare a better platform for 2028!
Doesn’t matter. Dems have lost their way a while ago. Fascism would have just taken a bit longer.
Fascism taking longer is GOOD. It means more time for trans people to get out!
There is a difference between doing nothing and making it worse
agreed. sending weapons, running interference at the UN and at qatari peace negotiations, and not doing anything when aid workers, journalists, and american citizens are killed or abused by zionists is not “nothing”, its taking the zionist terrorists side and getting blood on our collective hands, as well as destroying any dignity the western alliance has, and soiling the word “democracy”. Its an absolutely monstrous pursuit thats far from neutral.
Sending unlimited weapons and spreading false Israeli propaganda is definitely making it worse.
Democrats surely aren’t “doing nothing”, American weapons provided by Democrats have killed tens of thousands of children in the past year.
Why should we accept genocide as normal? I don’t get it? Is it because it is happening to Arabs?
At least now we know many Democratic voters are just as racist as Republican voters just tacit about it
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Libs would rather make fun of their genocide that they’re funding than resist it.
That’s literally why nobody votes for y’all creeps.
Imagine unironically making this meme. I envy the history students in 2138 who get to study this crap and scratch their heads
The History students of the Future will watch all those who sat by as complicit in the rise of an authoritarian racist President in the USA
I’m pretty sure the anti-genocide people were the ones violently confronting Nazis four years ago while the Democratic mainstream said that wasnt the right way to do things.
Probably lots of overlap with the people who blockaded and flooded airports and courts to stop the Muslim ban.
Probably closely related to the people who put their bodies on the line and blockaded ICE detention facilities.
I’d bet they were involved in organizing the BLM protests too.
Nah, man.
The real Antifa are the ones brunching and quietly judging while they sip their mimosas.
quietly?
Fair point.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
MLKJ, “Letter from Birmingham Jail”
You remind me of the MAGoos who only quote Martin’s line about judging people on the character and not the color of their skin. Using that letter ignores the fact that the letter was written before the Liberals passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Harris lost and Trump is getting ready to nuke Gaza. Maybe it’s time for you to reassess your plans.
You mean the voting rights act that was gutted by the supreme court while liberals just watched?
Did they expand the supreme court? pass ethics legislation? add term limits? use the same dirty tactics the Republicans use? censure Synema and Manchin for being republicans?
They sure didn’t. But the Republicans sure made sure Liz Cheney knew she wasn’t welcome in the party anymore.
Seeing how this is the 2nd time in a decade that moderate liberals have lost an election due to their lack of widespread support, maybe it’s time to reconsider their appeal to the increasingly hypothetical “average” American and listen to the base.
I’m arguing that we should be working in and with working class communities to tangibly improve their material conditions and you’re comparing me to a MAGA?
That’s some weird dissonance.
Depend what they will write in history books…
Look at this genocide enthusiast. Nah, if the Democrats are going to support Israel unconditionally they deserve to lose. If saving the US means that the US will continue supporting Israel then better if the US is unsaved. I voted for Jill Stein and don’t regret it, but I still regret voting for genocide Joe in 2020.
How cute to think this is the first authoritarian racist president. You should check out the rest of USA history sometime.
The history is already set. The dems ran a mediocre campaign after the sitting president flubbed a debate and lied about his physical ailments. It was a campaign so out of touch with voters that they lost the entire government.
Those 20 million people who sat by were democrats. But sitting by while facism rises is kinda your thing, isn’t it? Too bad you can’t hand-wring your way into a better union, huh?
No, but I can get a better confederacy. Given that I come from the confederatio helvetica and not the united states, you know.
Also I’d like to know how you got to the conclusion that I, vocal and voting against fascism, am complicit in its rise?
Imagine not understanding first past the post elections and harm reduction.
The people of Palestine asked us to vote against Trump. But they’re not worth listening to. They’re not even real.
There is no harm reduction. Kamala didn’t support a cease fire, and she refused to stop the flow of weapons or support. The choices were killing kids fast, or killing them slowly. You don’t get to act self righteous, like there’s a more moral choice there.
Democrats are baby killers.
God, you liberals are disgusting scum. MLK was right about you, you are the greatest threat to justice.
Yeah Bud! Keep bravely patting yourself on the back for defending a losing campaign holding a losing position that is pro-genocide. Just keep punching left, I’m sure the fascists will call you one of the good ones
Punching “left” at Trump voters sounds fine to me.
Didn’t vote for trump and neither did almost anyone else who was talking about the genocide, but sure. Keep pretending
May as well have though
A vote for Trump is a vote for trumpnot voting is a vote for trumpA vote for Harris is a vote for trump 🤡
Ok then you’re sure confusing if you choose to defend not voting for harris
If you think about it, since not voting for Harris is a vote for trump, not voting for trump would be a vote for Harris. By voting for Harris you’re therefore casting one vote for Harris by merit of voting for her and a second vote for Harris by not voting for trump. Voting twice is illegal, so you’re going to have to go to jail.
Sure /s
I don’t really buy that the “leftists sank kamala” narrative is accurate. There’s just two Americas and one is bigger than the other.
How do you explain the drop in the dem vote between 2020 and 2024 then?
Massive consumer price inflation, mostly
Equating not voting for Harris with voting for Trump is ridiculous and propagandistic. It’s straight up gaslighting.
Not voting for Harris is one vote because it takes one of her votes away. Voting for Trump out of spite is two votes (taking one away from her and giving one to him).
You’re assuming the meme above is correct and that everyone worried about Gaza went and voted for Trump. Stop assuming that.
53 percent voted for Jill Stein. Harris tied with Trump. That’s pretty solidly not going for Trump.
53% voting for Jill Stein is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. It’s a passive vote for Trump
Guess we know what you did
There weren’t enough third party votes to swing the election. Trump won the popular vote. Stop blaming leftist for the country moving right. It’s stupid.
Question. Would Harris have done better if she had a more tough stance on Isreal? Like what votes would she have lost if she committed to ending the genicide? The Arab and Muslim coalitions at the DNC told them that the Muslim and Arab vote was at risk if the Biden administration didn’t change course and that Harris would lose their support if she didn’t come out with a concrete plan to end the genicide…
In my opinion it was a huge mistake to back Isreal in this election. It’s not like zionest or evangelical Christians were going to vote blue anyways. Why turn your back on millions of voters in swing states for genicide. Total head scratcher of a decision. Biden nor Harris said they’d work towards a two state solution or allow the UN to enforce and demiliterize both sides. The most support I heard from either was the day before the election. Harris said she’d seek a ceasefire but that was it.
Voting is inherently transactional. The Arab and Muslim Americans told the party what they needed to do to secure their support and the party said no.
They would’ve lost the LGBTQ vote if they made a hard course correction against the only LGBTQ friendly country in the middle and condemned all those queer people to die.
A rock and a hard place.
I’m never voting Democrat again. You had 13 months to stop the genocide but you didn’t, allowing it to be passed on to Trump.
Trump says the quiet part out loud. But we have Biden recorded privately saying he’d kill Arab women and children all the way back in 1982. His unconditional support of the genocide proves he hasn’t changed since.
We didn’t vote for Harris because we knew you weren’t going to pushback on the genocide with her as president just like you didn’t when Biden was president. Now you’re blaming us for Trump despite that all Arab and Muslim American voters still won’t give Harris the 10 million votes she needs to win the popular vote let alone the electoral college.
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I voted for Jill Stein. Voting for Trump sends the wrong message since he too is pro-genocide.
Edit 2:
If you opposed the genocide you really had no option but to vote for Jill Stein and/or Claudia De la Cruz. Voting Democratic sends the message that the genocide doesn’t affect how you vote and you don’t care if it continues. Voting Republican sends a similar message since they are openly pro-genocide and actually take the Bible’s apocalyptic ending literally. Staying at home doesn’t work either, because if you can’t be bothered to voice your opposition to genocide then future candidates won’t bother to listen.
From the first month it was clear to me that the genocide will continue no matter who wins. It was clear neither party nor core base of voters care about it. If neither party nor base sees us as humans worthy of empathy, you can’t act entitled to our human-animal votes. We already knew Republicans saw us as animals with no regard to our lives. But to find out that all along the Democrats saw us at best indoor pets and are more than happy to send us to a farm upstate.
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And no, I am not afraid nor care what comes next. I can’t imagine anything worse than genocide and I am not in any way better than a Gazan. If they can lose their livelihoods and lives abruptly and unfairly, I don’t see why I should be spared. I’d rather take the chance no matter how small and vote for ending the genocide rather than to just save myself/group.
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I have the feeling that since the vote is over, a lot fewer people are here to defend their “ron’t vote for harris because palestine” stance. Like something was switched off…
Wasn’t that the point? They knew both sides would be pro Israel and sent a message that without more Palestinian support, the Dems wouldn’t just get their vote.
It worked, the Dems have been nothing but shocked and aghast at the outcome. Now the pro- Palestine base are hoping the Dems turn against Israel for the 2026 election to win back their vote.
…the Dems won’t, by the way. They might pay more lip service to it, but they’ll never be anti-Israel.
Ha ha ha ha! You think there’s still going to be a Palestine in 2028! Huckster McJesusBitch is going to help Bibi complete the genocide.
Dems aren’t shocked. Dem voters were repeating at every opportunity that things would be worse under Trump.
I think we’re just suspect of people who say they’re pro Palestine and then act to worsen their situation.
You showed the Dems tho!
Oh, I voted. For Trump. Im a general independent and vote based on my morals. The Dems were certainly shown this time around, I agree. :)
If Palestine was a breaking point and Trump better aligned with your morals, your moral compass is fucked.
The problem with this country is that everyone else doesn’t vote the way I want them to!!
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