The dem message of “we won’t do better but the other guy will do worse” failed. It was a bad message and it lost them the election against a terrible candidate.
Voters need to be motivated to vote and that message isn’t motivating enough
Do you want there to be “camps” or do you not want there to be “camps”? I’m not quite sure. If you don’t want “camps” then the party opposing the republicans needs to get more votes than they did this time and using the same message or strategy again probably won’t achieve a better outcome. They need a better message, a better strategy, for all our sakes
Keep calling your own people Nazis, it deradicalizes them from your very extreme ideas and eventually they realize most people voting for trump aren’t Nazis. The more radical you get, the more rational people flee your ideology.
I couldn’t find that comment, but if they said it, I’m 100% on your side condemning it. Fear statements like that are a fascistic tactic, but then, so is calling everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi.
It was RINO talking points. That’s different than the restructured right. RINOS are now the DEM party. Enjoy Liz Cheney, we were trying to get rid of her for a while. She’s your problem now.
You literally described yourself, Nazi. The right censored the fuck out of everyone not toei g their line, both online and in legacy media. Not Dems. The Right. Bezos. Musk. Zaslov. Not us, you.
Now fuck off Nazi punk.
Ummm, hey outside observer here. I saw a lot of dem leaning media during all this. Their was clearly ether little or ineffectual censorship in the left/right balance in media.
Case in point why would these results be so shocking if the media coverage was all against the Dems?
It’s NOT shocking because the media made it a point to not question or challenge trump while constantly questioning Biden and Harris. When trump became the oldest person to ever run for office they stopped talking about age.The media WANTS trump and always has. They don’t gaf about policy; they want clicks and eyeballs.
The legacy media is controlled by the Dems. That’s why so many quit watpo when Bezos stopped them from endorsing Kamala Harris. An unbiased news source shouldn’t be endorsing either candidate, and they all have been, for years now, and it’s been the Dem candidate every time.
I watched multiple speeches given by kamala and I watched the debate. This is the message I came away with and judging by the outcome of the election Im thinking that’s the message most people got. Intention is irrelevant perception is what matters and they failed
Except Harris did mention Trump’s age a few times (after the first debate). If you didn’t see it, you only looked at the disinformation channels, or it got drowned out by them.
Oh totally, attacking Trump’s age was never going to do anything, regardless of media hypocrisy; it was still righ to mention it. It’s also true that Biden was too old and people wouldn’t have voted for him.
Right, it wasn’t the media harping on every single thing the Dem candidate did wrong while apologizing and making excuses for Trump at every turn. Going on and on about Biden’s age and then never bringing up age again once Biden dropped out of the race. No it’s all the Dems fault 🙄
Did you watch the first debate where Biden could hardly speak a sentence? They were right about Biden’s age. And they knew that Trump voters would never listen to them so what’s the point of going after him over and over?
At the end of the day the blame falls mostly on the campaign and on the party and they failed. They have to do better than this or they’ll fail again.
Biden is two years older than Trump. Trump is 20 years older than Harris. You are completely sidestepping the point made by the person you’re replying to.
I didn’t sidestep. first of all “the media” did bring up trumps age I remember seeing it talked about. Also Biden’s age was a problem. Blaming this loss on the media is like blaming the refs when you lose a game. Yeah they might’ve been bad refs but it’s your job to win the game regardless. The way the media treats trump is not new and if the Dems didn’t take that into account that was their mistake
So, if that’s why the democrats lost, and there’s nothing that can be done to address it without being Rupert Murdoch, then are the democrats just destined to lose forever?
I agree with what MisterScruffy said. There were things that actually were within the democrats control that they could have done differently that would have allowed them to win. Blaming external factors outside of anyone’s control that you have no solution for addressing is completely unproductive, and just an excuse.
The media is outside of my control but there are certainly people who are in control and I will put the blame on them that they will deserve. Bizarre take, dude.
The dem message of “we won’t do better but the other guy will do worse” failed. It was a bad message and it lost them the election against a terrible candidate. Voters need to be motivated to vote and that message isn’t motivating enough
I hope that sentiment keeps you warm and full when you’re in the camps.
Do you want there to be “camps” or do you not want there to be “camps”? I’m not quite sure. If you don’t want “camps” then the party opposing the republicans needs to get more votes than they did this time and using the same message or strategy again probably won’t achieve a better outcome. They need a better message, a better strategy, for all our sakes
I didn’t want camps.
#that’s why I voted for Harris
now because 20 million cucks refused to vote we get camps. we get LITERAL AMERICAN NAZIS running our country.
good job cucks, you fucked us good.
Your side lost and your throwing a hissy fit instead of figuring out how to do better next time.
Implying that you do want them now.
Which makes you a fascist.
You make it seem like you’ll be cheering on the nazis as long as they punish people you don’t like. Which would make you a fascist.
Keep calling your own people Nazis, it deradicalizes them from your very extreme ideas and eventually they realize most people voting for trump aren’t Nazis. The more radical you get, the more rational people flee your ideology.
This person said in another comment that they hoped the person they were replying to would get graped in a concentration camp.
Whether this person voted for kamala or not that is fascist sentiment and its disgusting
I couldn’t find that comment, but if they said it, I’m 100% on your side condemning it. Fear statements like that are a fascistic tactic, but then, so is calling everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi.
That was never the democrat’s message.
What you are describing is the disinformation that you fell for.
Harris’s nomination acceptance speech was around 70% right wing positions. Undeniable.
It was RINO talking points. That’s different than the restructured right. RINOS are now the DEM party. Enjoy Liz Cheney, we were trying to get rid of her for a while. She’s your problem now.
Nazi punk fuck off
Not a Nazi, the Dem party adopted the fascistic playbook of control and censorship and it got them here. Who’s the Nazi again?
You literally described yourself, Nazi. The right censored the fuck out of everyone not toei g their line, both online and in legacy media. Not Dems. The Right. Bezos. Musk. Zaslov. Not us, you. Now fuck off Nazi punk.
Ummm, hey outside observer here. I saw a lot of dem leaning media during all this. Their was clearly ether little or ineffectual censorship in the left/right balance in media.
Case in point why would these results be so shocking if the media coverage was all against the Dems?
It’s NOT shocking because the media made it a point to not question or challenge trump while constantly questioning Biden and Harris. When trump became the oldest person to ever run for office they stopped talking about age.The media WANTS trump and always has. They don’t gaf about policy; they want clicks and eyeballs.
The legacy media is controlled by the Dems. That’s why so many quit watpo when Bezos stopped them from endorsing Kamala Harris. An unbiased news source shouldn’t be endorsing either candidate, and they all have been, for years now, and it’s been the Dem candidate every time.
Absolutely the wrong read. Fuck off, Nazi
I watched multiple speeches given by kamala and I watched the debate. This is the message I came away with and judging by the outcome of the election Im thinking that’s the message most people got. Intention is irrelevant perception is what matters and they failed
Except Harris did mention Trump’s age a few times (after the first debate). If you didn’t see it, you only looked at the disinformation channels, or it got drowned out by them.
Well no dems voted for Trump, and his voters don’t care about his age because it’s a cult of personality
Oh totally, attacking Trump’s age was never going to do anything, regardless of media hypocrisy; it was still righ to mention it. It’s also true that Biden was too old and people wouldn’t have voted for him.
Right, it wasn’t the media harping on every single thing the Dem candidate did wrong while apologizing and making excuses for Trump at every turn. Going on and on about Biden’s age and then never bringing up age again once Biden dropped out of the race. No it’s all the Dems fault 🙄
Did you watch the first debate where Biden could hardly speak a sentence? They were right about Biden’s age. And they knew that Trump voters would never listen to them so what’s the point of going after him over and over?
At the end of the day the blame falls mostly on the campaign and on the party and they failed. They have to do better than this or they’ll fail again.
Biden is two years older than Trump. Trump is 20 years older than Harris. You are completely sidestepping the point made by the person you’re replying to.
I didn’t sidestep. first of all “the media” did bring up trumps age I remember seeing it talked about. Also Biden’s age was a problem. Blaming this loss on the media is like blaming the refs when you lose a game. Yeah they might’ve been bad refs but it’s your job to win the game regardless. The way the media treats trump is not new and if the Dems didn’t take that into account that was their mistake
Closer to blaming the commentator. Nevertheless, I still like this analogy.
Cool, so what’s your plan for addressing bias in the media?
Wtf kind of dumbass question is that? Do you think I’m Rupert Murdoch?
So, if that’s why the democrats lost, and there’s nothing that can be done to address it without being Rupert Murdoch, then are the democrats just destined to lose forever?
So do you have a suggestion or just criticism?
I agree with what MisterScruffy said. There were things that actually were within the democrats control that they could have done differently that would have allowed them to win. Blaming external factors outside of anyone’s control that you have no solution for addressing is completely unproductive, and just an excuse.
The media is outside of my control but there are certainly people who are in control and I will put the blame on them that they will deserve. Bizarre take, dude.
At that point, why not just say, “Harris lost because Trump didn’t drop out of the race and endorse her?” Completely useless analysis.