Wow, next you’re going to say Orange lives don’t matter.

Jokes aside, agreed, tolerating intolerance has little difference from supporting intolerance.

Yes, if we don’t let the Nazis back in then we’re no better than them!

I understand where you’re coming from but I think there is an atmosphere tinging the conversation (and there are a lot of threads happening so maybe I’m the one doing that, not trying to be perfect here)

I’m not bitching about voters. I’m saying people are blaming Democrats, or Harris, or whoever they want to, but one side showed up with more people. I see you are continuing that as well by saying she ignored her own base.

More people showed up for what Trump was selling. Harris was certainly not ignoring her base in favor of the Cheneys but I think you mean they relatively to your expectations (?).

If she were leaning more right, then I guess that was the correct choice because that’s who showed up to vote.

Saying she ran an awful campaign is a judgement, one neither of us qualified to make legitimately (correct me if I’m wrong and you have some relevant professional experience)

The voters spoke and said they did not see enough of a difference between Harris and Trump to vote for Harris, and the ones that saw a difference voted for Trump.

Harris was out there making her platform and politics known, performing at debates.

This is voting for your own best interests as a part of a country.

What kind of fool believes that is supposed to require outreach? Would you rather visit an inept doctor because they make you feel more like a big boy by courting your feelings?

If voters must have outreach to not show up, that means they see no difference in their own life between the candidates.

The electorate picked the racist rapist trump, that’s what represents America.

To say that a political party should stray further from what the majority of Americans that stepped up to vote for is what is out of touch.

Ah yes, a perfect example of what OP was talking about. Good work finding it so we can point and laugh at the people that keep looking for someone to blame for their own choices.

That is not in agreement with exit polling, what is your source?

What should they really learn? I’m sick of the blame being placed on decent people not doing enough.

How about we blame the pieces of crap that support Trump who has too many disgusting qualities to list.

It wasn’t the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.

That was never the democrat’s message.

What you are describing is the disinformation that you fell for.

To add to what the other person said, the biggest enemy of the boring party that wants to make the country better and isn’t making up ridiculous claims is apathy. (Not truly just apathy, but also people have lives to lead and it’s not like they get the day off, and voting isn’t the center of their life)

Mostly just look at the polling numbers after Harris was announced and how they have slowly fallen since then. There may be other reasons of course, but I find it hard to believe that people who supported Harris ever have any less support for her on a topic when comparing her to Trump.

Arnold absolutely sucks for what he did, I have long pointed to it as one example of why he shouldn’t be so glorified for not being completely insane as other Republicans.

That said, the other poster you’re talking to is in the right here, you’re ignoring the point entirely.

You are inventing that anyone is condoning killing innocent’s BUT that’s not even important.

You get to pick, you want more deaths, less deaths, or don’t care.

There are no other impacts you can have with your vote.

If you care deeply you can join marches and protest. The many people who are doing so will gladly tell you Harris is not doing enough, but that it would be idiotic to not vote for her.

In politics you choose a direction. Do you want more death, less death, or don’t care about the deaths.

Trump is more deaths, Harris is less deaths, not voting is that you don’t care about the deaths (or a different differentiating issue matters more)

Those are your choices when it comes to voting and encouraging others to vote.

That is your impact, pick one

Definitely just vote.

Polls are meaningless, even in 2020 they still underestimated Trump across the board, but no one talked about it because it wasn’t a close race.

2024 polls have Trump more likely to win and rising

No way with this supreme court. They already gave blanket immunity for anything done as president, which is absolutely insane and should have people rioting

I would place the most blame on Regan for gutting social infrastructure surrounding mental health and safety

Hey this guy is one of the bots posting AI content, get him!

We’re all aging like US presidents now