Note that I’m not necessarily opposed to her facing consequences for killing him – my issue is with how gleefully NYPost is framing it as if she just attacked him out of the blue and shoehorning her into the “evil transgenders” stereotype
Does this mean they’ll put “cisgender” in the title for all the other criminals?
NY Post is staffed by scumbag shitheads.
Exactly, and if they stopped “reporting” things this way they’d go out of business and their horrible customers would probably make something even worse more popular.
I’m opposed to her facing consequences for killing him. If it had been a white woman killing a black postal worker in self defense, we wouldn’t be here. Shed be paraded around like the poster child of the American Fascist Party.
Correct. You would not be defending a cisgender murderer. On the the “right side” gets to do whatever they want.
Yea, as awful as the NY Post is for framing it this way, this ain’t about them being trans. She bought a knife, wanted to stab someone, picked a fight and continually escalated (she fucking spat on him, sorry but bodily fluids are an assault and the dude had every right to treat it as being hit) until she pulled a knife in an encounter she started.
Got hit three times before pulling a knife? Just cuz she was too fucking slow to stab him after the first hit like she wanted to.
Can’t believe there’s people defending this.
I’m guessing that people are defending transgenders in general and this shitbait NY post article frames it in. Away that isn’t too far off from insinuating that all trans are “pure evil”.
Hell, “trans” shouldn’t have been in the headline as it is of no consequence to what happened. Whatever the reason for the incident, she didn’t stab the guy because she’s trans. One human stabbed another, that one was trans or black or green for all I care doesn’t matter and it is very hard not to feel that this bit was added just to sow division amongst people
Duh, because it’s the NY Post. They are trash. That’s why most comments have even been prefacing statements about the defendant talking about how shitty the Post is.
it’s a dogwhistle. they’re implying that trans people are mentally ill and that the postal worker is a victim of inaction with or indulgence in the trans population.
It’s the same reason why all the chuds started banging out about how violent trans people/leftists are when that trans man (
if i remember correctlyi did) shot up a school a year or so ago.despite the fact that the overwhelming amount of school shooters are cis right wing incels
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She bought a knife, wanted to stab someone
Sorry, but when a “news” journal is that deep into batshit clickbait propaganda, you can’t use other articles written by them as a source of truth. Hell the second article isn’t even an article it’s just a statement with no source, wrapped in acid.
I’m not saying she’s innocent or that it was called for, but there’s no reliable truth in that article other than the man is dead.
Guns aren’t allowed in New York, She’s trans, needs to protect herself. It was a steak knife, not exactly a weapon you use to fight someone for funsies.
If she was pure evil, she would have gotten 25 years. They gave her 15 because she was in the wrong, but it wasn’t black and white.
Here’s CBS.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/usps-worker-stabbed-to-death-in-harlem/
Keep being a heroic dumbass
well that’s a GREAT way to get blocked, don’t let the door hit ya!
For posting an article proving many points of your statement to be incorrect?
Do you find it unacceptable or rude just to correct you? Or just tone because you need people to only interact with you the way you want?
Nah, I already read half a dozen articles on it from outside the US.
It was the nasty little comment. There’s no excuse for that tone here. If you can’t argue in good faith without being nasty, they get blocked.
I had already read the take from several neutral news sources that had dug further and clarified their information without going out of their way to be pejorative.
Also of note, when arguing, you don’t just go nuh uh and post a single link for someone to read. My problem was clearly with the tone of the bad-faith source they originally used. But then, if you go and look at their post history, they’re just constantly trolling.
Their account has a lengthy history of negative karma, and I don’t have time for that. Honestly, none of us should put up with that. Block the people being nasty and move on.
Her case is over, she plead out, she is sentenced. she got a middle of the road sentence for the crime.
Now, let’s suppose we do cover that article that is in your own words, “proving many points of your statement to be incorrect”. What exactly do you say that disproves? It says it happened, that’s certainly not up for debate. It says Hodge died, and she was arrested and charged with murder. Then then paraphrase the deli managers statement “According to the deli worker, in that instant, the woman pulled out a knife and stabbed Hodge in the stomach.”
There isn’t anything in that article that is substantially against my statement. You should consider re-reading what I wrote and understand I didn’t claim she didn’t do it, and wasn’t in any case innocent.
But, if you go and read any one of the other articles, or, what has been listed otherwise in this post, (or the actual coverage of the evidence in the court case) There was back and forth. Spitting and insults were raised, tensions were high, he might have thrown a bottle at her and likely called her names. She threatened him before stabbing him.
Rich and another customer tried to intervene, but neither Cruz nor Hodge wanted to back down, Rich said. ‘I got in between them - twice,’ said Rich, who remembered another woman joining her and trying to get Hodge to stand down. ‘Don’t to this, you have a good job, let this go,’ Rich recalled the other woman saying. Rich said Hodge, however, took his coat off and said to Cruz, ‘You want to stab me?’
Yeah, she’s guilty AF, but it wasn’t premeditated. She has some psychological issues, but she’s not some satan hellspawn looking for people to stab. She needs help, it’s good that she’s off the street. It’s fucking Harlem man, if someone threatens to stab you, take em at their word.
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She stabbed him because he was s mail man?
The fuck?
Not helping dude
How bad is your reading comprehension?
“I killed him laughing. Oh, well. I’ll piss on his grave.”
Sorry, but this IS pure evil.
Giggles
Yeah, I’m trans and find this pretty indefensible. I’ve gotten slurs yelled at me, I’ve never started a physical fight over it and certainly never fucking stabbed someone 14 times to death.
Wild that in the article it says he hit her 3 times before she stabbed him.
Yeah. Stabbed him 14 times. Laughing while doing it. Talking about how much she loved it. How she wanted to do it again. Self defense is more than fine, it’s damn good to stand up for yourself, but spitting on someone and escalating it into a fight that you use as an excuse to kill someone is unacceptable. If it was a Republican who spat on someone, starting a fight before shooting them 14 times, saying how much he loved shooting her and how he’d love to do it again, I’d say that’s indefensible and he’s an evil bastard, just like this woman is.
Self-defense endong in the attackers death doesn’t make the killer a bad person. The facts of this circumstance, as I know and understand them (which very well may be flawed, it’s not like I was there) lead me to the conclusion that she’s an evil bastard. Trans people are just fucking people. We can be evil bastards, the same as everyone else. We may be at higher risk of violence due to hateful bigots, but that doesn’t excuse the act of murder. The act of killing, sure, if necessary in the course of self defense. However, as I know and understand what happened (and seemingly the jury as well), that was not the case here.
Hate me if you want to, I’m used to it. I just want to speak out because I have seen the whole “excuse terrible actions from your side no matter what and refuse to look at reality” thing from shitbag republicans SO MUCH and I hate to see allies doing it too.
Yeah, I’d probably feel worse for her if she seemed to have felt anything about this. There’s no reason to ever feel happy about having killed someone. Perhaps relieved as in a “it’s finally over” kind of way. But finding the fact that you’ve killed someone funny? Not reasonable whatsoever. He shouldn’t have called her slurs, but words deserve words, actions deserve action. Fuck both of them.
The framing uses quotes from the vicrim impact statements from the family of the victim.
Its insane how every single trans and queer person is expected to be perfect law abiding citizens or suddenly the act of being Queer makes you a murderer. They used the same justification during the Holocaust to murder Jews and they’re using the justification to murder Palestinians.
If she’d strangled a homeless person in the subway instead, she’d be a national hero.
You don’t shoot two mags into someone out of self defense and you don’t stab someone 14 times out of self defense. But hey, it’s not like she had committed knife crimes 5 times before that.
She cut in line, he yelled slurs, she spat, he punched and then stabbed him to death. And then proceeded to tell people she would do it again and was glad he died. Yeah, you’re kind of a shitty person for this.
Punch the guy, stun gun the guy, pepper spray the guy, you have my blessing and support. You don’t fucking kill someone.
The entire media campaign surrounding this is also despicable: For one group, she is the living embodiment of the ebul trans people, who are all just men in disguise trying to molest kids, for another group she is a brave, yet innocent bean who should be totally acquitted. Both groups are morons.
IMHO, she should serve a long ass sentence.
Holy shit she emptied two mags into him and then stabbed him 14 times and then claimed self defense? That’s actually insane.
No. She just stabbed him. I said that as an example.
Yeah she did a dick move then escalated into murder with 0 remorse. Life without parole.
Wait it’s self defense though, and not murder.
What people are trying to say, and that is clearly going way over your head, is that this was NOT self defense.
No need to be a dick. I get that you’re frustrated, and that’s okay. Being a dick, though, that’s on you.
But my point of being facetious is to point out the dishonesty or heavy bias in framing it as murder, when the discussion really is all about whether or not it was self defense.
People are loudly saying how punishment should be, or taking things out of context or loading the presentation emotionally with other circumstances. All of which are intellectually dishonest and jumping the gun. Everyone’s welcome to their opinions, but we all need to try to focus more on constructive discussion, rather than infighting over a news story because nobody can stay on the actual topic, resulting in everybody being frustrated and arguing about different things.
The subject is, “self defense or not?”
Obviously, you and I differ on our opinions, but we have also neither gone over all the evidence nor even discussed what evidence or suspicions we have. So saying your equally uniformed opinion is going over my head is not just rude and self centered, but it’s also… Potentially just wrong.
So in the theme of olive branches and keeping it mature and civil:
I say it could have been self defense because she was being beaten by a guy bigger than her who was throwing out hate speech.
You say it was not self defense because…?
she was being beaten by a guy bigger than her
No, he was smaller.
who was throwing out hate speech.
Not punishable by death in the land of the free last time i checked.
You’re right she was taller…
But after reading many articles, it still sounds like self defense to me. It sounds like two people got into a petty altercation, and hate speech amplified emotions greatly. I don’t know if you know, but trans women are VERY often victims of abuse and murder simply for being trans.
And going off the guy’s hate speech AND throwing the first punches, and that she gave him a final warning while supposedly backed into a corner, it sounds like she came out on top and went a little crazy over it.
Honestly, if I were in her situation and a guy cut in front of me and started calling me hate speech AND started attacking me, I would be both furious and terrified. I’m not nearly as abused as she was, but after going over what still feels like incomplete facts, I really don’t blame her. My issue lies with the quick condemnation voices of her, here, and the heavy bias it feels like it stems from.
Like I could very well be wrong, but judging by everybody who wants blood here being shockingly belligerent, I’m approaching with caution and skepticism.
Maybe you have a source of facts that I’m not aware of that you could share?
The same sources as everyone else.
She started it, she’s bigger than him, she escalated it, she drew a knife, she has priors with knife-related incidents, she showed no remorse. You trying to defend her seems like trans exceptionalism. Trans are people, so there are good trans people and bad trans people. You can guess which option prevails in these comments.
Yeah the fact that she is transgender has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she murdered someone, the only reason the press is including that fact is to stir up drama, hate, and ad revenue. It’s pretty despicable, but I have come to expect nothing more from the press. There is no such thing as an honourable news reporter these days, just gossip columnists.
My read on it is that they’re intentionally cross wiring it to blur the issue and attach a negative colloquialism to trans people. This is part of how a group becomes considered untermensch by our illustriously imbecilic regime. If I was trans I would gtfo the country now, no joke. This is some goebbels-type shit, so you know it’s probably Steven Miller’s idea, that fucking psychotic dweeb
Aha. “cross wiring”. It’s not sexism or racism or a bigoted hate crime, it’s just “cross wiring”
Cross wiring, as in to, use preexisting hatred or fear of a subclass to apply it to another one. Such as fear of mentally I’ll murderers into fear of trans or hatred of pedophiles to attach it to multiple groups in the past years. It helps people to justify what should be immediately recognizable as sexism or racism or bigotry.
That feels easy reading comprehension and you are in a desire to be angry to avoid the obvious conotation to yell that people are not using words you like. Its not productive to you or others or conversation
It was self defense though, not murder. Seems like she just got carried away with defending herself instead of being killed. It’s a kill or be killed world out there.
You don’t get to claim self-defense in an altercation you started and escalated. Or I guess you can try, but you’re gonna have a bad time
That’s wild.
It doesn’t matter who started it, if you’re afraid for your life, I think you have the right to defend your life.
If you escalate it, you will eventually get into a point where you fear for your life, so then literally every conflict you can then claim self defense.
I think that’s what cops do.
And should we support cops for doing that?
Think about all the scared transphobes less likely to harass transgenders as a result this stabbing. She probably prevented numerous trans people from being assaulted and prevented some trans kids from committing suicide due to a reduction in bullying. She’s a hero. IMHO, she should get a medal.
Think about all the transphobes who will now see trans people as violent and callous. If this has any effect, it’ll increase the likelihood of violent attacks.
Which will up the likelihood of self defense. Gotta defend myself against being murdered. Even if it means kill or be killed.
It’s almost like the media has twisted all of this to inspire infighting to distract from other problems. Like the incoming lawless fascism state that’s going to further twist all facts and reporting to use conformity to delete anything and anyone they don’t like or threatens their power.
Which in increase the likelihood of more sensationalist “news”…
If only transgender people killed everyone they interacted with, there wouldn’t be any transphobia /s
Grow up. She’s a murderer and deserves to rot in jail.
Next time they wont spit, they’ll escalate further ti avoid retaliation
Damn. I gotta up my self defense game then. She’s a paragon.
To be fair: once self-defense “kicks in” (in any case, not just this one), one should empty two mags if it is what it takes to make the threat stop. or feel like it stopped.
That’s the thing about self defense, you don’t get to decide how much is too much, if you are on the receiving end. All you get to do is NOT make it something your victim decides to implement in the first place.
Imma be honest: if you reload after dumping the first mag into someone, it’s getting into manslaughter territory.
Self defense is also (at least in Germany, don’t know how it’s handled in the Land of the Castle Doctrine) about a measured response. Using a weapon after feeling your life is in danger: A-okay. Bashing someone’s skull in repeatedly after they stopped being a threat: not so okay. The police shooting an attacker three times in the chest: A-okay. Dumping two mags into someone: definitely not okay.
yeah most states have a “stopped being a threat” point; I posit it is probably common to see someone not used to fighting to not know when the threat really stops in addition to the adrenaline thing.
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this case for sure. but thats the point about initiation of “self defense.” you lose the choice after you make it go that far. tip: don’t fight.
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i don’t disagree. i was simply defending legitimate self defense.
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don’t shoot two mags into someone out of self defense and you don’t stab someone 14 times out of self defense.
I work in a trauma ward. It’s not unusual to see people get stabbed dozens of times, whether it’s self defense or not. People who get stabbed don’t get dropped like a gun shot wound victim, they bleed out.
So more often or not if there’s a confrontation with a knife people will keep stabbing until the person stops being a threat, which can take a while.
Yeah it’s not like the movies, people don’t just fall over when they’re grazed by a blade or pistol-caliber bullet. If all I had was a knife to defend myself against an attacker I would choose “keep stabbing until they stop moving” even if that looks worse to juries. Better than being shot in the back trying to run.
Technically you aren’t allowed to stab until they stop moving, just until they are no longer a threat. Stab em in the leg and run. Self defence isn’t a license to kill it’s a way to not go to jail if killing was literally the option available.
Yeah but this just makes her a shitty human, there was no need to mention they were trans.
You claim the postal worker attacked the woman. I’m not finding any information about that. What was the nature of this “attack”?
ITT: propaganda successfully vilifying trans people as a group and idiots gobbling it up
Ask yourself why the news never specifies criminals gender identities unless it’s one of the scapegoats.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
I doubt they framed the dude who chocked the homeless man to death on the subway as a “disgusting human being”
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When you’re being assaulted and have no way of knowing whether they’re going to kill you for being trans (something you know happens with alarming frequency), why would you show remorse for defending yourself against a violent, “pure evil” bigot?
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Upstanding heterosexual cisgendered male citizen forced to take homeless bum’s life in deadly subway altercation.
Look at all the heroic liberals blindly defending a psycho.
Read the fucking article
Most people are not defending her, but are instead upset by the blatantly bigoted framing of the article.
Read the fucking headline.
Uhhh. No I am actually seeing at least half of the conversation in here being about how they did nothing wrong and should have stabbed the post-worker.
Literally on my comment is someone making up a version of the story based in the OP version of the story to declare an innacurate version of this event.
Identity politics are cancerous
Yeah, this is a tabloid. In a decent world people running tabloids would be imprisoned or doing thousands of hours of community service.
Ahh the good ole broken post
