Note that I’m not necessarily opposed to her facing consequences for killing him – my issue is with how gleefully NYPost is framing it as if she just attacked him out of the blue and shoehorning her into the “evil transgenders” stereotype
Here’s a news source with an account of what allegedly happened. Of course nothing has been proven in court yet.
According to the charges, Hodge was at the store’s sandwich counter when Cruz cut in line, leading a dispute between the pair. After a witness separated them, Cruz allegedly went into their bag while Hodge’s back was turned, retrieved a knife and threatened him with it.
Prosecutors said Cruz then allegedly threw a plastic bottle at Hodge before lunging at him, stabbing him multiple times in the chest, neck, and arms. After a struggle in which Hodge attempted to wrestle the weapon away from her, he collapsed. A witness reported hearing Cruz remark: “He deserved it.”
Hodges was rushed to Harlem Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
“This alleged broad-daylight stabbing shook the neighborhood, including the deli workers and customers who witnessed the attack,” said District Attorney Bragg. “My thoughts are with those grieving the loss of Ray Hodge, a postal worker and beloved father of two.”
After her arrest, Cruz reportedly admitted to police that she stabbed Hodge with a knife she carried for “protection.” Cruz also allegedly referred to Hodge as a racial slur.
Not sounding good.
“He rolls up his sleeves, and then he hits my client, and every time he approaches her, she backs up. And he approaches her again, she backs up until she’s all the way at the refrigerator and then when he’s still berating her and calling her a f**got and a tranny, she spat at him,” Schuman said. “You can see on the video that she’s saying to him, leave me alone. But he doesn’t leave her alone. He attacks her again.”
So there is an alleged video with contradicts a lot of what the witnesses say. I’d be cautious of defending this one. If it turns out that the lawyer is just exaggerating an unclear video, youre probably going to get tricked into defending an awful person. Again.
Cruz (the stabber) plead guilty.
The stabbing isn’t the question, the question is whether it was self defense or murder.
that’s breitbart level of misinformation right here
467 upvotes, lemmy. Congrats, you’re as full of shit as right wingers.
People need to stop picking sides and in groups. If people are mistreating you it doesn’t really matter what group you belong in as that’s more just for personal identification and doesn’t help the situation at all to defend based on sides.
Ehh, no one here will care when our identity is all we think that matters. But this just further divides the groups and continues the work of the assholes that think it useful to do so.
Tell me you’re privileged without telling me you’re privileged
Yeah I am not. I don’t have the privilege and never have to stab my attackers and they get away with being seen as good people despite the trauma I am left with. I’m a member of the LGBTQ community and was sexually assaulted by 2 partners and a parent.
You just don’t like people disagreeing with your point of view so you decide you know who they are to justify thinking they must be a person you dismiss.
Shame I asked for community and good treatment of others.
Transphobe bigot: attacks trans woman for being trans, in a clear case of hate crime
Lemmy bazinga brains: “guys let’s just stop picking sides”
That is not what happened. Literally please one of the many recaps or article links about this person that cut in line then stabbed the person that called them out for it and not just headlines and assume you understand everything.
cut in line then stabbed the person
I’ve actually read it, you’re missing the part where the reaction to cutting a line was a slur against trans people, and the part where the dead guy literally started physically assaulting the one with the knife.
The US is literally in a descent to fascism, killing overtly violent and transphobe individuals is a good thing
You missed the part where Cruz called Hodges a racial slur after he cut in front of Hodges in line.
Defending Cruz just because he’s trans, even though he plead guilty, is fascist in and of itself.
Stop making excuses for shitty behavior. You’re in a descent into fascism, it looks like.
Cruz is She, Hodge is He. Think you got them backwards.
Cruz is a biological male. He is no longer civilized enough to be recognized as such, as he’s no doubt trying to hide behind such a status.
Cruz instigated this situation and Ray Hodges is now dead. Cruz also has a knife violence history coupled with the medications he has to take to remain his preferred gender.
No excuses. Trying to get a reduced sentence and to serve it in a female’s prison by claiming it was a hate crime? And against a black male? Irony eh
Nah. He’s a human that killed another human in a deli because he cut in line.
Ray had 2 kids at home. Now they’re fatherless. Cruz deserves life in prison.
Very clearly then we are both continuing to misconstrue the event as you are also leaving out important parts of the news article. It was a nasty back and forth and unpleasant on both sides. Involving spitting and punching but one person was stabbed 14 times over it and the one doing it has done so 5 times before.
People were not being good to each other here and I do not feel either side needs my sympathy but the side still alive will need to accept repurcusions of killing another person for their actions and they don’t need our cheering.
Fight fascism don’t fight on behalf of those that don’t need protection. This won’t help us.
Its insane how every single trans and queer person is expected to be perfect law abiding citizens or suddenly the act of being Queer makes you a murderer. They used the same justification during the Holocaust to murder Jews and they’re using the justification to murder Palestinians.
If she’d strangled a homeless person in the subway instead, she’d be a national hero.
Yeah, this is a tabloid. In a decent world people running tabloids would be imprisoned or doing thousands of hours of community service.
Look at all the heroic liberals blindly defending a psycho.
Read the fucking article
Most people are not defending her, but are instead upset by the blatantly bigoted framing of the article.
Read the fucking headline.
Uhhh. No I am actually seeing at least half of the conversation in here being about how they did nothing wrong and should have stabbed the post-worker.
Literally on my comment is someone making up a version of the story based in the OP version of the story to declare an innacurate version of this event.
Does this mean they’ll put “cisgender” in the title for all the other criminals?
Not sure why the perpetrator being trans was important enough to put in the title, considering it didn’t seem to have anything to do with the crime…
It maybe had a little bit of something to do with the slurs? If the other participant wasn’t trans, then I think the guy would’ve probably used different insults, probably not racial slurs, idk for sure though. Not sure, but I feel as though she’d probably have reacted in a similar manner. But the reason they put it in the title, is because the NY Post wants people to feel like trans people are dangerous. They’ve been targeting trans girls for a while now, especially with the bathroom bullshit, shameful.
Here is CBS’s coverage of the event:
A deli worker told CBS News New York that Hodge was ordering a sandwich when a woman at the counter got angry and began arguing with him over who was first in line to order. According to the deli worker, in that instant, the woman pulled out a knife and stabbed Hodge in the stomach. USPS confirmed Hodge was a letter carrier assigned to Manhattan.
It appears to have started over a dispute over who was first in line. It’s up to you to decide if that’s a rational reason to attack someone with a knife, regardless of your sexuality / gender identity.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/usps-worker-stabbed-to-death-in-harlem/
In this version nobody attacked her.
Ny post is still anti -trans regardless
Ahh the good ole broken post
Can’t really expect better from that rag
She stabbed him because he was s mail man?
The fuck?
Not helping dude
How bad is your reading comprehension?
You’re saying that framing trans people as evil sociopaths is based…?
[annoying tiktok voice]
WOW such literacy skills
I think the intent was ‘based girl standing up for herself to the point of killing a dude’, but I could be wrong.
I’m not sure what the specifics of the attack are but he probably didn’t need to be killed either?
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It’s about time normal people stood up to cishet supremacy.
Hey calling them a slur is wrong but that’s not something to be fucking killed over
Sometimes decent folks gotta manage that crisis.
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If the traitor was using slurs, it got what it deserved.
You know something is up when they state that they are transgender when it bears no meaning to the actual article. This would be the same as “Gay man murdered people” the point is bigotry.
the article skips why, but it is actually extremely relevant…
Cruz’s attorney claimed his client, a transgender woman, lashed out against Hodges because the 36-year-old postal worker had made a slur “about her gender identity.”
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Cruz claimed that Hodges had ridiculed her with homophobic remarks and struck her several times before she pulled a knife and fatally stabbed him.
She showed no remorse for her actions when interviewed by detectives at the 28th Precinct in Harlem.“I hope he’s maggot food,” Cruz told detectives, according to court documents. “I killed him laughing. Oh, well. I’ll piss on his grave.”.
Hodges had struck Cruz at least three times during the deli fight before she stabbed him, she claimed.“I told him, ‘You come to me and I’ll kill you,’” Cruz told investigators. “No motherf—ers are going to put their hands on me no more.
“He tried to mess with me because I’m trans, and I poked him up,” Cruz said.
In a world where cis men have been deemed not guilty for murdering trans people just because they couldn’t tell until they got to the sex, there is no way I’d hold a trans person guilty of murder for defending themselves from an ongoing assault that very well could have escalated to a murder against her.
The story seems to be all over the place so it’s hard to piece together.
Getting in a fight over who’s first for a sandwich though and her comments afterwards make her seem like she was looking for an opportunity for something like this.
the dude started attacking her in a full on hate crime…
if anyone starts attacking me in a sandwich shop, i am going for maximum damage… i’m not going to just hope they’ll stop attacking me, i will do my best to make it not possible for them to attack (although leaving is the first choice… if i can’t, i’m hurting them).
she has zero remorse, but i don’t imagine it’s the first time she’s been attacked for being trans.
Yeah, you hardly ever hear Christian gunman kills X children at school.
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The real story is “Mentally Ill Person with a History of Knife Crime Stabs Mail Carrier in Fight”
To the people who consider them being trans headline-worthy, “trans person” and “mentally-ill person” are synonyms.
If a WASP with a trump shrine and 20 guns has mental health issues and kills 4 people it’s mental health issues.
If anyone not fitting the conservative mold, even if they have mental health issues, kills people it’s about their differences from the mold that come first. “Mental health” might get a one line mention at the bottom of the article.
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My comment was regarding how the press, the Post in particular, handle crimes if they can get more views by making it about lgbtq. I had no intent to offer an unqualified diagnosis of the person in the OP article.
That’s my point, gender has no relation to violent crimes, bringing it up in the headline is just bigoted
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This might be an important detail to put in the post, but in the headline? It makes no sense past bigotry
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I agree, OP makes it out like it wasn’t an extreme act of violence, even though it did start as self defence.
it did start as self defence.
Was the mailman armed? If not i can’t really frame stabbing someone with a knife as self-defense.
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Violently homosexual man brutalizes innocent bystander in gay rage.
You gotta mention that the innocent bystanders are straight, or else conservatives won’t know whether to feel sorry for them or be happy they were attacked.
Innocent God fearing all American red blooded heterosexual bystanders.
Identity politics are cancerous
