I’m sure this is not a new thing, but I just found out about it, and I think it’s pretty neat!
Not the ones that turn off their transponders! For example, the Chinese squid jigger mother ships, the Chinese krill dragnet ships, the Chinese illegal salvage ships plundering war graves, and of course, the Chinese and Russian transship tankers smuggling sanctioned oil in international waters.
There is a group of people on bluesky tracking the russian shadow fleet, they are often trying to fake their registrations, which cannot be confirmed ofc.
https://sketchy.boats/ https://bsky.app/profile/pa.nton.cx https://bsky.app/profile/lloydslisted.bsky.social
Edit: and this is how it’s going regarding the stopping of sanctioned and false flagged oil tankers: https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1154431/Baltic-shadow-fleet-stand-off-continues-as-Russia-warns-of-tanker-raids
if i were NATO, i would have fucked up russia’s business long ago and snatched a few loads of free crude too.
I had a lot of fun with that so when I was in Malaga. Sat in the beach for hours with a book, a bottle of chilled rose and grilled fish takeaway from a beach side restaurant.
Identifying all the boats that trundled by and their destinations was great fun. We even saw an unlisted navy vessel.
Trivia time!
Yes, over a certain size. AIS class A transponders are mandatory on ships over 24meters. Smaller than that, and many people use them anyway because it’s convenient. Many recreational boats use class B with lower transmit power.
Anyone can operate an AIS transponder in receive-only, enabling you to receive the data yourself. This is how sites like that operate - Many volunteers who receive and forward the NMEA string to the site. Hell, if you have one of those cheap USB-SDRs you can roll your own at minimal cost. Decoding the relevant NMEA strings (AIVDO and AIVDM, readable at 38400 baud) is a bit of a pain in the ass, as it’s built around a 6-bit ASCII table. But I managed to do it with a perl hack once upon a time, so it’s highly doable.
NB: While not legal, it’s very easy to disable an AIS transponder temporarily. War ships often do this.
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I’m glad you asked; A more reliable method for establishing position is by sending a position request via DSC (VHF channel 70 or MF 2187.5kHz), as that’s a lot harder to disable. You’re gonna need an ROC or GOC to do this legally, though. As well as a MMSI, come to think of it.
Source: I used to work with maritime comm systems, including installation of both VHF radios, MF radios, and AIS transponder. I have a GOC.
NB: While not legal, it’s very easy to disable an AIS transponder temporarily. War ships often do this.
import memeify memeify.memeify(source='Paw Patrol turns off body cam', image='Russian warship', text='*Turns off AIS*')Oooh, I love this kind of comment, packed with fascinating information I don’t really understand but I’m sure someone does!
As I no longer work in that field, I’m happy to answer any questions you (or anyone else, for that matter) may have on the subject. To me it’s remnant information I no longer need, but to others it might come in handy. Or at least interesting.
I know next to nothing about ships and laws that pertain to them, but on the topic of pirates, do ships have the right/authority to defend themselves? In another comment of yours, you mentioned war canoes, if a ship sees or detects a craft like this and it doesn’t respond to communications, what’s to prevent crew on board from blasting them out of the water?
My understanding is basically that it’s up to what local laws allow, combined with ship owners policies.
We saw what was most likely pirates a few times, but we had armed escorts so they were never openly hostile. You can’t just shoot at any that vaguely resembles pirates, as there are fishing boats in the area as well, and they don’t look that different.
Story time!
I remember chilling on the back deck, doing my hour of lookout in case someone were trying to board us. One of our chase boats (armed escorts) contacted me via the portable VHF I was carrying to let me know there was a small boat looking like it was trying to approach. I found this odd, as the only boats I saw in the vicinity were boats that were supposed to be there. I looked over the railing, and knew what the chase boat was talking about: Yup, there was a boat there, alright. But it was one of ours, they were just normally much further away. Turned out they were almost out of water after being in an open boat for an entire day that was abnormally hot even by Nigerian standards. I gave them a tray full of ice cold coke cans and a few bags of doritos from the workshop next to me, and they grinningly went back to their job of towing away fishing nets that had drifted into our survey area.
Is it true that when larger ships pass by an area they suck up internet bandwidth from satellites like StarLink? Someone told me that and it sounded made up. Wondering if that could cause a safety issue for a smaller ship.
Is that method of disabling AIS used by pirates? I don’t know if piracy is even common.
One of my fears of sea travel is basically being locked out of communications…
No-ish. There’s something to it, tho: The more users on a carrier, the less bandwidth available per uplink. With VSAT (which pretty much every large ship has), this isn’t really a problem, as there’s plenty of bandwidth available. Bandwidth allocation is pretty expensive, so most ships cap their bandwidth relatively low. With the ships I work with these days it’s usually between 0.5mbit/s to 2mbit/s. I’ve never seen this degrade when entering high traffic areas.
With starlink there’s a bit more to it - I installed one of the first offshore starlink antennae, and back then it was insanely fast. Nowadays there are a lot more starlink terminals around, so it’s not that fast anymore. So in general, bandwidth is a lot lower per terminal due to the large amount of customers, so a large ship or two nearby probably won’t make much difference. Large ships don’t get more bandwidth just because they’re large. But it’s common that they have several terminals (I usually installed two per ship), but that’s mostly for redundancy and avoid that the ships superstructure comes between the dish and the satellite.
As for pirates disabling AIS, I doubt they have AIS to begin with. I used to work in nigerian waters, and the pirates in question usually use very small boats loaded with fuel for endurance. We’re talking something that is marginally larger than a hollowed out log with an engine strapped on it. We used to call them “war-canoes”.
Locked out of comms: Depending on what you call comms, this doesn’t really happen. Sure, internet can go out (and it sometimes did when I was offshore myself), but anyone who might need to reach you in case of emergency know how - Usually by calling your employer. There’s a myriad of ways of talking to someone onboard a ship. Normal internet is the most common nowadays. If that doesn’t work, they still usually have phone service. And if that doesn’t work, it’s actually possible to route phonecalls via MF or VHF radios (expensive as fuck, though). And if that doesn’t work, there are things such as Telex that enable you to send text. The available hardware depends on the ship and which areas it’s rated for, but it basically boils down to ships being required to have comms equipment that enable voice AND text for the rated area. Near the polar regions this basically means Telex and HF radio. For anywhere else, this usually means MF radio and Inmarsat.
Fun anecdote: A coworker of mine, during a period of no internet being available, was instructed that he needed to head to the bridge ASAP due to urgent communications from home. I was his shift leader at the time, and it was not a fun message to relay, as we knew this often meant serious illness in close family. We were all relieved to learn that it was just his dad who had come across a really good offer for a quad bike, and my guy onboard needed to let him know yes or no within the day.
Just to clarify, as this overlaps with several jobs I’ve had, including my current one:
2008-2012: Offshore seismic survey tech.
2015-2019: Maritime comm and navigation tech 2020-Now: Support/IT dude for offshore seismic survey hardware.
This guy transponds!
I just got a hackrf and it has an AIS tool built in. It’s real neat, I’ve got to play with it a while. It plots them on a map, but it’s extremely low res. My city is like 4 pixels. I’d really like to be able to fix that somehow.
I’ve also noticed a lot of the information it reports seems wrong. Like the same boat can be reporting anchor down and 5 knots. And even more are under way with engine but 0.0 knots. I’m not a boat captain but that doesn’t seem right.
It’s still endless fun just reading the names of the boats as they pass
The ship state (at anchor, etc) is a manual setting that the bridge crew will have to change. Same goes for destination. And bridge crew has enough on their plates already, so updating it isn’t exactly a priority. That’s why you often see “Ch 16” set as destination, as it’s basically shorthand for “If you really need to know, ask us on VHF Ch 16”.
As for receiving AIS data, if you’re able to decode the data, it’s easy to plot it yourself. AIS messages (AIVDO is the one you’re interested in) consists of several messages, and most of them contains the ships position. Every so often, the ships name is transmitted (The MMSI number is the primary identifier).
Well that’s a bit of confusion cleared up, thanks! I did actually notice I’d get some information and then a little later the name would show up too. I figured it was just bad reception missing the full message, but you’re saying they’re sent separately? I guess I’ll stop fiddling with my antenna
The fact they just put their contact info for destination is hilarious to me. I should get a radio license.
Yeah, your antenna is fine. AIS contains more information than can be fit into a single packet, so it’s spread out over several. Every packet contains the MMSI of the ship, which you can use to link every packet together. If I remember correctly, there are three or so packet types. Position and speed is sent relatively often. And static info such as name and other info that doesn’t change a whole lot is sent much more infrequently.
Maritime radio license is easy to get. An ROC which covers the basics is a day or two. It’s basically just a course on how to properly operate a VHF. GOC covers a lot more (telex, inmarsat, EPIRBs, etc) and basically certifies you as a radio operator for any ship. It takes about a week.
Works for all counties except the following, who consistently disable AIS and LRIT for various reasons: China, Russia, Iran and Senegal.
So while the International Maritime Organization requires these devices be enabled, the aforementioned counties just ignore it when disabling AIS suites their purposes (Illegally changing flags during voyage, poaching, etc).
Pretty sure that there is a lot of military and “pirate” ships around the world that also have their transponders turned off regularly.
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who consistently disable AIS and LRIT for various reasons: China
None of these are Chinese? Are you sure?
Russia
Iran
Senegal
the aforementioned counties just ignore it when disabling AIS suites their purposes (Illegally changing flags during voyage, poaching, etc).
Like, far be it for me to suggest merchant vessels don’t regularly engage in shady shipping practices. But this is far more widespread than just a few countries Americans don’t like
the total capacity of ships in the U.S. and U.K. registers as of 1 January 2024 is 13.2 mil. dwt and 11.1 mil. dwt respectively.
I guess two of the largest merchant navies in the world are on vacation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience#Wages
In 2009, the flag-states employing the highest number of expatriate-Filipino seafarers were Panama, the Bahamas, Liberia and the Marshall Islands. That year, more than 150,000 Filipino sailors were employed by these four flags of convenience.
Anyone remember which country has a deeply problematic fascist-friendly political and military relationship with the Philippians government right now?
None of these are Chinese? Are you sure?
Those haven’t got the system turned off. There’s no where op claimed they have it turned off all the time. They turn it off when doing shady stuff like destroying underwater cables or poaching fish.
Link to the site?
Also you can do the same thing with planes.
https://www.flightradar24.com/There is app for that, and icon kinda look similar to bitwarden. Not much to say, just find it kinda interesting and want to share
That IS mildly interesting. Huh.
Yes this is it, my bad
So stick it up in the post!
Sweet. Was just discussing such sites…
The other day I was wondering if flight paths over large stretches of water routed along popular cargo ship routes or anything of that nature?
…Except for the billionaires that lobbied to make tracking their ecological devastation illegal.
I think you can only see the ones that are close enough to a coast that they get picked up by the AIS receivers.
I was perusing that map recently. Was kinda funny seeing a bunch of ships with clearly Russian names like “Admiral Yuri Dolgoruky” or “Cosmonaut Eugene Ponasenko” under Mongolian flag, of all others Yeah, the landlocked country. I guess there’s nothing wrong with landlocked country owning ships, but I just could’t get this meme out of my head
Mongolia hasn’t had a navy since the 1300s has it
“Flag of convenience”. It’s like when a corporation is headquartered in the Caiman Islands.
My favourite meme is Hungary once being run by an admiral.
The lake is on the Russian border, so the Mongolian government operated vessels to serve in a similar capacity as the US Coast Guard does on the Great Lakes.
Any ship using a transponder. It’s the ones that don’t that are really interesting 😉
Or the ships that spoof their location so they can sell sanctioned oil
My boat to Santorini was cancelled and I had to show the local office my proof on www.vesselfinder.com before they would believe me and helped me reschedule.
The were talking about a normal minor delay but the ship was still in port, 3 hours away.
There are some really cool ships sailing around the Mediterranean.
Just look at Club Med 2
These are some of the most bizarre typos I have ever seen. Cool comment though.
They’re probably Dutch. Schip is Dutch for ship.
Oh ok. Makes sense.
My autocarrot started changing English to Dutch indeed.
What a blast from the past!!! I worked on that ship for 4.5 months back in 2003 when it was the MSY Windsurf. Played the piano in the Lounge. Thanks for the smiles my friend!!! :)
We were driving to Katapola and saw these 5 masts appear. Never expected to see this beauty on Amorgos.
TIL, thought this were only available for plane.
Also good to know Ever Given is no where near a canal now.
It’s also available for satellites
Mildly interesting indeed!
It’d be even more interesting if an interface like this would estimate the carbon emissions per scheduled trip for these ships.
Surely one could estimate the impact based off of the ship class and distance.
Come to think of it, that’d also be interesting for a flight radar kind of website.
Anybody else who finds the color choice counterintuitive? At first i was wondering, why all the ships are on land.
Yes. I thought the same. Really dumb color choices.
Yeah it threw me off too a bit, I like their dark mode better
And they told me I shouldnt even tell people where the cruise ship I was working on cruised around, even though it would be on the passenger itenerary. “Loose lips sink ships!” 🤦♂️
It cruises around Hawaii, btw.
Is there any concern that pirates will use this tool to find targets?
Anyone can get a cheap ais receiver and plot the positions of ships around you quite easily so it doesn’t really make much of a difference.
Not concern, certainty.
You will see transponders annotated with stuff like
- armed security onboard
- all Chinese crew
- all Muslim crew
- with armed escort
That is sending a message to pirates that they are not the right target, or not worth the fight.
It only works for ships that are in range of volunteer-run receivers. Plus it’s not like shipping routes are difficult to guess, you can see them from space if you plot air pollution.
Haven’t been in space for a while now but I’ll check next time I’m around.
I started playing this game called Sky Cards and it’s kind of like this but for airplanes. So far, I like it!
