It was always the first resort. It just needed to reach a certain amount of users to convince advertisers to advertise. Welcome to the first milestone of doom. It only gets worse from here.
Bitch please. This is like the 847th milestone of doom.
Who… even is Sam Altman?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XyI38Vp1PGw
Oh, he’s basically a less lucky and somehow less competent version of Mark Zuckerberg.
He doesn’t know anything like, theoretical or technical about AI, he has no expertise, he’s just a guy with a failed startup or two under his belt, who then become the hypeman for investing schemes/incubators.
He, like many in the tech industry, just… acts like he knows what he is talking about, and… for quite a long time, people believed it.
He’s basically a complete fraud, just, as a person, beyond all the literal financial fraud he’s orchestrated.
Hyping and pumping companies and stocks is the attribute our economy prizes above all else.
Look at musk, what a genius the investors gush. It does not matter if it is dishonest, if the intrinsic value is way below what is thought. They only care what people think, not what is.
The essence of hollow idealism. False promises from malicious prophets in search of profits. “A shrewd businessman” we’re expected to call them, but the veneer wears thin.
less lucky
According to that video he made over a billion dollars from a $15,000 investment that only was available to him because some guy liked him
… you got me there, I could have phrased that better.
Jesus, dude… Their fucking business model is theft and they still can’t make a profit…
Lemme go buy some shares right now! 🙄
I am legitimately surprised that these companies aren’t throwing lobbyists out there to eliminate IP laws to account for this. It’s almost like many of the companies which rely on IP laws to make profit are also those which have to break them to save money by replacing jobs with AI…
They don’t need to. In sarcastic words of Cory Doctorow, it is OK because it’s through the app.
Illegal unregulated hotels? It’s OK because it’s through the app. Illegal taxis? It’s OK because it’s through the app. Plagiarism and IP violations? It’s OK because it’s through the app.
They didn’t need to. Copyright enforcement was unequal enough that it only applies to regular people. Facebook downloading illegal torrents doesn’t count for some reason.
More likely they’ll just start bribing CEOs of big IP holders to look the other way. There’s already too much lobbying interest in keeping IP laws draconian.
Only put a few tril in there bro. Don’t go wild.
Right now or in the very near future (i say 3-6months) anything to with AI and their hardware suppliers will peak. Probably best to jump the ship now, wait for the crises to kick in and buy all the stocks you can with the money you gained selling AI.
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
These last ten years the market has been a stark raving lunatic. You cannot predict it’s behavior reliably with the forces at work, including the belief government will bail out any crash, the fed will move heaven and earth to help big players across the board when that happens, then just all the uncertainties in our bloody minded leadership.
Just like some billionaires already divested from AI
Yes, but short nhem. Puts on their souls.
So… We’re nearing the end, then?
To go full circle he needs to hijack a few elections and make a half assed attempt to force people in to a “metaverse”
Unless ads give enough revenue.
If they’re already in the Degradation stage of the Enshitification process they’re fucked.
Yep.
It would be like if Uber started ripping people off before they even broke the cab union contracts with cities.
They don’t have a product people even want yet.
Anecdotal, but pretty much all my friends use ChatGPT. So there is definitely some demand, but I doubt any of them would pay for it. They also all realize more and more that it’s a bullshit machine that cannot be trusted.
I have a number of friends and family members who pay for ChatGPT, and I’ve been shocked to watch their ability to form an original thought shrivel up.
Good point. While I knew that this iteration of “AI” would not revolutionise jobs or creative work, it is so scary how society just accepted that everyone would lose their job and everything else. We could just… Not do that. Or at least do it in a better system.
I get that. And I am even perfectly willing to believe that it has some genuine utility for a lot of people, but something that people would use for free is a far cry from something that is going to recover a trillion dollars worth of investment and infrastructure.
For sure. Especially now that a lot more people understand what LLMs actually are, I feel like the jig is up
yup, “ask chatgpt” has seeped its way into the minds of all people around me.
i think the problem with ai is how they can’t make money off of it, they seem to have pushed it to people just fine.
A TON of people love ChatGPT. I’m with you, but it’s foolish to not acknowledge the reality that it’s popular.
Billions of flies love shit 🤷♂️
Pigs love slop.
The German saying which is attributed to religion is
1000 Fliegen fressen Scheiße. 1000 Fliegen können sich nicht irren.
Now that said it doesn’t change the reality of the situation. The equally important saying is “When in Rome…”
Just cause tonnes of folks love ChatGPT doesn’t mean that it’s viable though, plenty of people love products that were produced by now debunked corporations or developers, just look at Troika games Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines are loved by their communities but the studio has been bunk for about 20 years now. If they can’t break even as a minimum they will eventually collapse and be sold for parts.
Yeah it’s a neat little novelty. But the vast majority of people aren’t going to pay anything for a chatbot. Bribing businesses to use it won’t pull much in either. It’ll never be a sustainable source of revenue.
Governments and trade associations and other groups do already and or will pay for chatbots.
The govt connected contractors already have the newest versions, added to the mercenary outfits of mechanized troll divisions. To ratfuck public opinion.
Does that equate to the hundreds of billions a year revenue they’ll need to even start to not look like a joke. Their spending cycle would never end as they’ll never be able to build at the pace of hardware changes.
And that’s assuming the whole ai industry absolutely takes off rather than crash and burn
Yeah as a business it’s hard to see how they become profitable enough, they are spending money like outsourcing tens of millions of jobs just in the US is around the corner, and it’s not. The hype is incredible, those that do outsource to it will have to backtrack or have inferior business operations.
Unfortunately they are politically connected to say the least and when the bubble pops they will directly bail outs of the companies, then the Fed will do all sorts of monetary easing and make interest rates zero or even negative. The fed has moved heaven and earth to prevent the rich from losing money twice now, and shamefully not only did both parties support it but neither even turned against it after the fact. Never even made hay out of the companies that got billions in ppp “loans,” fired workers, then got those loans forgiven anyway. While the small business that got tens of thousands and kept employees on were forced to repay.
Both parties see their purpose as extracting money from the federal government for their donors. Neither party will balk enough to prevent the bail outs this third time around. This administration is taking every excuse to borrow money, they will max out the credit card before they get removed.
Enshitification speedrun
don’t understand this because look at Google. from the get go this always seemed like the 100 point layup use case.
Real innovation and progress takes experimental evidence, which even with infinite IQ is impossible to just gleam.
I’m gonna have a good laugh when emails start arriving in my inbox from colleagues and externals with weird ads in the body of the text. Because considering the amount of people that just paste the bot replies in their emails, this will happen, frequently.
A few people I work with have put “thank you for you attention to this matter” at the end of some emails. Not sure if they’re trump fans or using ai. I assumed the latter as English is not their first language.
There’s a lot of software tools that pipe in a users prompt and execute steps blindly now. THey don’t even need to copy/paste anymore.
We’re gonna get a lot more unrelated ads in mail or linkedin solicitations.
I’ve noticed this on Gemini too. I didn’t want to search through the annoying internet recipe experience these days so I tried Gemini. “Find me an ice cream recipe”
“Sure! Recipe is blah blah… Also, OXO makes a great container for your ice cream! And there is a great Ice cream scoop also made by OXO!”
Gemini is made by Google/Alphabet, one of the largest advertising company so it’s not surprising.
Sam Altman answering the question “Can shit be enshittified?”
This was inevitable. Anyone who has a basic understanding of how GenAI works knows the only thing they’re actually marketable for use for is advertising. Nobody wants to read (or write) an LLM generated book or make a movie with a script written by ChatGPT.
So now it’s going to recommend specific brands of rope when it tells me to kill myself?
Now I call that convenience
It can order it for you too. Shipped right to your door!
And for the best discount price too.
GenAI-made ads have famously received even more criticism than regular ones, though, so maybe they’re not even good for that (even “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” might not apply here, given that the common reaction seems to be to want to boycott the advertiser)…
Injecting “seamless” ads into their results might work better, but people are usually quite fast to detect product placement in images, and would probably raise an outcry, and in LLM’s case users would probably also notice, and the more pre-prompted the things are the more useless they seem to be… them suddenly talking about products and brands on every answer would probably drive even more users away.
They may receive 5x the criticism and be 5x less effective at moving products, but if they turn out to be 10x cheaper to produce then that is still a huge net positive revenue-wise and allows them to make a lot more (and more targeted) ads
Note: I totally made those numbers up
Because LLMs don’t make money. They are prohibitively expensive to run at scale due to the compute and energy requirements, and model fine-tuning adds yet more cost. RAG systems are even more prohibitive and complex.
The only reason they have been developed to such extent is investor money rolling around in a giant loop. Once this stops, every company hosting LLMs has to raise prices to try and make the unprofitable profitable – but the compute and energy costs don’t change in a significant way (unless it’s up).
Ads here are likely an attempt to recoup what is dwindling investor capital. I seriously doubt any of these giant models can be brought to actual profitability.
Eventually, the bottom just falls out.
“Cut my life into pieces…”
This is my last resort"
Suffer AI, For no reason. Burn this shit down and hang the rich for treason.
"What a great plan! I’d be happy to help you come up with a plan to cut your life into pieces! 😊 "
ChatGPT is getting ads. Sam (please don’t let the AI bubble burst) Altman once called them a ‘last resort.’
Well he wasn’t lying.
Ads always come at the end, at the last part of enshittification, so yeah, last resort indeed
Eh, fuck chatgpt, fuck Sam Altman in specific, with an umbrella
Not to much longer then.
