• Ileftreddit@lemmy.world
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      Hate to break it to you but straight Christian white dudes are pretty much THE demographic for domestic terrorist

      Edit : I am a straight Christian white dude

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        I am a straight Christian white dude

        We get it you’re looking for a job

        You have to submit your CV and a cover letter as well as go on our website and fill out 500 little boxes all of which are answered by your CV.

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      A big GOP created “make work” program of security theater.

      Less of a “make work” program and more of subsidy to keep the privatized airlines afloat.

      Not sure how many people here remember the times immediately after 9/11, but a significant portion of the population were basically refusing to fly again for quite a while afterwards. Airlines were scrambling to get people to fly again and there were talks going around about them either going under or being socialized.

      The TSA was basically a program meant to get scared Americans back on planes so airlines could maintain enough profitability to remain privately owned.

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          Yep, especially when you realize that it’s basically a poor people punishment cause people with private jets don’t get the same treatment

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            How come the terrorists that can’t get on board of a commercial flight with their water-borne explosive charges haven’t committed an act of terror with a private plane?

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    I recently traveled through Europe, the Middle East and Australia. In the bottom of my carry-on bag I forgot about a 1 l plastic water bottle that was about 3/4 full. None of the security scans in Australia, Malaysia, Doha, or Montreal said anything about it. For the first two airports, I also had two 500 mL water bottles in side pockets. Again, no issues.

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      I once left full sized tailoring scissors in my carry-on backpack by accident. I only noticed at the hotel. I have no Idea how they missed them on the x-ray, they are huge, like 8" blade huge.

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        I forgot I had a hunting knife in my bag. Yes very stupid, I know.

        I got pulled over by airport security and when they asked me to open up the pocket. I found a water bottle on top of my knife and showed that to them and they said it was fine. I didn’t realize the knife was there until I got home and unpacked.

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      Not seeing any European airports but last time I flew within Europe they were cool with bringing water aboard. Also the shoes thing is something of the past if you fly within Europe.

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        Bringing liquids onto the plane is fine, but it’s (supposed to be) an issue with bringing liquids through security, since it could be something like gasoline or some other hazardous liquid. If you fill your bottle with water or buy a drink inside the secure area, it has theoretically already been vetted and is safe to take onboard (though I bet there’s really a bunch of security theatre happening there, too).

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        Security when flying within europe can really differ from airport to airport though. I’ve had times they made a big deal out of everything including dogs sniffing everone all the way to my bag just went through a scanner but nobody watched the screen.

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          my bag just went through a scanner but nobody watched the screen.

          Sometimes these systems are autonomous, if something’s off an alarm is raised.

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      I got stopped regarding a bottle of water I’d forgotten about. I just apologised, drank it, and passed through security.

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    If 0.01% of people are nefarious, and they check 99.9% of the time, that’s still 1/10,000,000 chance a nefarious person gets through.

    As long as they don’t do this often, doing that once probably has near zero impact on security.

    (Please don’t pick apart the assumptions that nefarious people always get found by screening, or that the TSA works, that’s not the point I’m making — just trying to say a one off unpredictable dropping of guard doesn’t hugely benefit nefarious actors)

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      Regardless of the assumption of how many people are nefarious or how actually effective TSA is, your point stands.

      If they screen normally 99% of the time, then the occasional relaxing of the checks just means that the effectiveness has gone from X to 0.99*X.

      TSA is security theater, but this isn’t the evidence of that.

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    Of course. How do you think it worked before Dubya’s jobs program went into effect?

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    Having kids was that moment for me. Let me tell you: with children you are allowed to take as much liquid as you want through security. Even boiling water, to prepare formula 😂

    I was like “WHAT? Why do you take it away for other passengers?” Just so they have to buy shitty, overpriced beverages, or what?

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    I’m old enough to remember flying before all that bullshit and we literally just pulled up to the plane on the tarmac and got on. You could arrive like ten minutes before takeoff. RETVRN

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        If they got rid of the TSA they would have probably been given a lot more public good will, of course it would mean that the job market would suddenly have been swamped by the biggest bunch of idiots that anyone has ever had to deal with.

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      I visited the cockpit once on an international flight. JAL Tokyo-London. Just asked if I could, and sure of course.

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    America thrives off of marketing a sense of security. That’s one of the ways they gain ownership of your soul and humanity.

    I hear they are eating cats and dogs.

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    I mean just let me wear my fucking belt. I can deal with a lot of indignity, but holding my fucking pants up in line is just insult to injury when you’re passing me through mothingfucking millimeter wave.

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      I have a belt with a plastic buckle/cinch thing now that i always make sure is my “flight belt” for this reason. Even for events i know will have security check points for access. I’ve only ever had to take it off ONE time in like 8-9 years and that was flying out of Dublin airport to mainland Europe last month- i had already gone through the scanner and I got flagged. Security dude said it had nothing to do with plastic vs. metal belt, just that it was a “bulky area” that something could be in……well, fair enough, i guess.

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        i carried a velcro cable tie once and used it between my belt loops, I’ve never remembered since.

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    I hate the TSA, and I strongly suspect they are largely a mirage, but I don’t agree that this indicates they are admitting it’s a mirage. It’s almost never the purpose of any kind of inspection to have 100% coverage, just to shift the balance of probabilities as far as necessary until it’s a deterrent. They could be shrugging and giving up in the face of a large number of people to process, but they could also just be making a well-informed trade-off.

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    It also varies from airport to airport. I get frustrated when I travel because I always get yelled at by TSA agents for following the directions of the previous airport. Some places want all devices out. Some only want laptops. Some want the bag of travel liquids out in their gallon bag. Some allow you to leave them in. But they all act like I’m supposed to know what their particular rules are.

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      This is based on the TYPE of scanner each checkpoint has and that frequently differs from airport to airport.

      The problem is, most of THEM don’t even know that, so yeah, you appear mind-bogglingly stupid to them and they look needlessly arcane and possibly deliberately cruel and rude to you.

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        But… Don’t they deal with people from all over the country and world constantly? Ignorance can’t be an excuse at that point.

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          It’s the US, they don’t really know about the rest of the world, and apparently a fair number of them aren’t sure what New Mexico or DC actually are and whether people from there ought to be arrested or not.

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            You’re right, the literally 1000s of people going through there daily all tell the same lie. I get you need to follow the protocols of your airport regardless of what another one does. But it would be pretty bloody obvious other ones actually are doing things differently.

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          My last airport experience was being stuck in line while the TSA people extremely aggressively screamed at some very elderly Hispanic grandparents who didn’t have great English or great hearing for a very long time. They genuinely were trying to do their best.

          I get that it’s frustrating or whatever but holy shit they do like power tripping stuff too I feel like. The elderly gentleman thought he was supposed to approach to show I.d. but they wanted him to go somewhere else and they treated him like he was going to be an active shooter or something.

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    The handful of times I have flown in the past two years, all the airports I’ve been at no longer require you to take out electronics or your toiletries bag.