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    Remember back in the middle ages, when everyone was sporting an axe and knew where the boss’s house was?

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        well, worked less than 40hrs a week for an employer. They had a ton of shit to do at home, and if they weren’t married, doubly so.

        My grandma used to tell me stories of how long it would take to forage for food before refridgerators

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        A lot less workers too to be fair (the plague more than did its work…), so it was a workers market

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        More holidays, but when you’re a subsistence farmer, those aren’t really days off, just days you don’t have to work for the rent.

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          That’s… I’m speechless. I tought it was idiotic when it “just” suggested that workers beg to work more. It had a brazen “abuse and ridicule working people” spin on it. But it not about economic slavery… It’s about the acctuall slavery? That is… we need a word for idiotic and evil and the same time.

          Thanks for the context.

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            Chattel slavery is illegal. It’s true that you can be enslaved, or at least enslaved in all but name and forced to work, as punishment for a crime. I.e. as part of your incarceration. This is per the 13th amendment.

            I’m not enough of a legal eagle to explain what would happen or what your recourse would (or would not) be if you refused, though.

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              ‘Best’ case scenario for refusing to be a prisoner slave is you would lose all “privileges”.

              No yard time, probably placed into solitary. No commissary access - so things like soap and toothpaste would be withheld.

              Food is also restricted to “basics” along the lines of bread and water.

              Of course the reality is they will straight up torture you for not playing by their rules. Aka complete withholding of food and interaction and cleanliness as they either ‘forget’ you in solitary or just have an ‘accident’ with you.

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    I doubt he cares about holidays at all, but he very much cares about removing a holiday that is specifically relevant to not white people.

    I was taking with a family member yesterday and said I’d be shocked if Juneteenth is still a holiday next year.

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          yea, which is the only real reason he posted about it. It’s just a normal day for him, but he realized he can capitalize on it and make it a PR stunt like always

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      And he flew using US government plane. He has spent millions on just plane rides.

      Who is wasting tax payer’s money.

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    I hate paid time off. It’s one of the greatest crimes of modern life. I think I’ll campaign to have my union dismantled and my pay cut in half because the current model is clearly ripping off my employer.

    Keep in mind that the guy complaining about PTO hasn’t worked a day in his life.

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      I actually have coworkers who were complaining about a day off, and saying “everybody’s lazy, nobody wants to work anymore”. Take the day off, and shut up!

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        Tell those coworkers to pick up the slack and work on their day-off. Take the off time for you and others so the aggravted workers feel good and pat their backs.

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        How old are they? I feel like old people have nothing other than their jobs. They never had many hobbies and they never had to raise their kids.

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          I find its more often they need those hours to afford to live. Sometimes due to poor life choices like owning 5 dirtbikes that don’t run and buying a 6th, but often its just due to how unfair the economy is to low income families.

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              Sometimes they get paid more if they do come in, typically time and a half, so they feel like they are missing out if they don’t. Sometimes is based on if they are full time or not. The same rhetoric is true for just regular weekends, my boss considers anyone who works less than 6 days a week unmotivated and lazy.

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      Also we should bring back prima nocta for the holy job creators, and really just bring back slavery. I mean, people can’t afford their own homes and such anyway, imagine how much more EFFECIENT it would be if we could cut through the red tape and get similar results.

      -Republicans, unironically^

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        FOR REAL THOUGH. Like every person I have ever heard that has complained about PTO, are people who are in positions that either don’t accrue it, or accrue it so slowly that it’s never usable, or make enough that they don’t need to ever worry about being paid vs unpaid when they take holiday.

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          Disclaimer: USA perspective here, I know its less bullshit in many other parts of the world.

          People who don’t like PTO don’t like it because:

          It is implemented in a bullshit way that is often literally illegal…

          And it is implemented by idiot/cheap managers who don’t have enough actual staff hours to cover anyone being sick or taking PTO.

          The bog standard norm for every kind of min wage tier job is that the manager will just unapprove your vacation that you accrued and scheduled weeks or months ago, and then oops, that also makes it so you haven’t been accumulating more PTO because you hit your max and didn’t use it in time.

          Or just any manager that says you can only have a sick day, vacation, or any kind of emergency if you find a replacement for your shift.

          That one is particularly amazing because… that is literally the manager’s job, to do that, not yours.

          But they just gaslight you into doing their job for them, for no extrs pay, of course.

          But this kind of (again, often literally illegal) bullshit is so totally common and normalized amongst these shit ass jobs, that most workers don’t even know how bullshit it is, and will rabidly attack and malign their coworkers instead of blaming their petty tyrant boss.

          These people are basically, generally correct in identifying PTO as basically bullshit in these situations, but they’re too overworked and uninformed to put together that… it could be organized/executed in a not bullshit way, and it’s their boss’s (or corporate’s) fault that it isn’t.

          Shitass retail managers routinely pull this bullshit and enforce a culture of blame being on all your fellow workers, and will go out of their way to intentionally stoke interpersonal drama amongst coworkers… it is very, very rare to find a low level franchise manager or small business owner who does not do this.

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            Yeah, and unfortunately, like you said, that entire practice is fully illegal in the states. However, most employees are unwilling to report it and then file the evidence of why it was done. Because while there is no mandatory vacation time in the US, if you are provided It as a benefit, it must be something that you can use. And if they are regularly denying your PTO because they don’t have the people to be able to cover it, then they are denying you a benefit which they are legally obligated to provide since they offered it as part of your benefits.

            The amount of times that people just decide, oh well it’s only PTO. It’s no biggie. I don’t want to rock the boat. It’s insane. Like my mom lost over 600 hours of PTO because the business closed up and she didn’t fight that they needed to pay it. She doesn’t put two and two together that she’s overall getting paid less because she has the benefit of having that PTO. So if they were to not offer the PTO, they are just paying less.

            Your PTO, if offered, is part of your benefits package, meaning that it’s part of your hourly wage calculation. So if you are given PTO and then not being allowed to use it, you are voluntarily being given a demotion.

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              … and this is why non corrupt unions need to exist.

              A single person likely can’t afford the legal costs or even just simply the time and headache of pursuing justice, and there is just a massive ass backward culture in the US of it being rude to discuss money and finances with basically anyone…

              Get the masses fighting with each other, distrustful of each other, so they don’t rally against the real, common enemy.

              Oldest tactic in the book, divide and conquer, but you’d have to undo over a century of brainwashing that has now just become a cultural norm amongst morons who think one day they’ll be able to be the asshole boss.

              Or, even just that if they acquiesce to every absurd demand and insult, they’ll be seen as a reliable employee. The reality is that none of that matters, we are all just homogenous human capital to them, especially so at such unspecialized, entry level retail jobs.

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          I work nights from home, so I hardly ever need to take PTO. Kinda nice at the end of the year though when I typically take November and December off to burn the PTO I can’t carry over into the new year (limited to 40 hours).

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            We used to do this at work. But it would turn out the company basically shut down after thanksgiving because so few people actually took vacation thru out the year.

            Now we are on “permissive time off” which means there is no set amount you can take or really… have to take. So in general, people just work more and are pissed off about it

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      lol if he actually tried this, the speed in which big companies would lobby the fuck out of it would be insane.

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    Remind me how “all these businesses” can be closed if it’s really only the federal government actually takes the day off for federal holidays? Like sure some banks do as well, but most companies just stay open

    Here in the real US (I.E not has make up fantasy land that he wants his user base to believe in), most companies were business as usual. As most companies only really close for Christmas and maybe Thanksgiving and Easter.

    Not to mention that most Federal workers are salary, and their pay includes holidays, if he were to remove the holidays as part of the package, he would need to spend /more/ money on the workers, so it’s not like it would be a plus even in his imaginary world. This is ignoring the fact that a good portion of the federal government is also unionized. so this entire plan would fall short before it even hit the water.

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      Yeah I wanna say the majority of people have less holidays off these days already. Hell even paid holidays (where the business doesn’t close but you get 1.5x pay) seem to be shrinking.

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    I think any European politician who said anything remotely close to this would see their careers instantly over. How is it possible that saying something like this doesn’t cost them votes in the US?

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      Because republicans have no integrity and have cultivated a base of gibbering idiots who are happy watching others suffer even if it hurts them too

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      Because they’ve spent decades demonising and dismantling unions. There’s no voice for the workers.

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        There’s a voice for the workers at least every 4 years, and workers demonstrated in November they really want this guy back.

        I wish them to have the day they voted for.

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      He said this specifically on Juneteenth so that his hateful voters agree, and those that work for businesses that don’t give a day off on Juneteenth get angry at the people who work for companies or the government that do.

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          Be the change you want to see in the world and post the exact same screenshot on the 4th.

          Either the reactionaries don’t read the date and get pissed off, or they do read the date and get pissed off, proving to everyone else that the have the ability to use critical thinking but choose not to when it benefits their narrative.

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            I would, but I’m not really on any social networks where the intended audience would see the message.

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      Any non-republican in America who said this would also instantly have their careers end. “Would end a political career” happens multiple times a day for trump though and I’m still waiting for him to be held accountable for anything. Unfortunately, they made “holding people accountable” a bipartisan issue and only one party has any interest in doing it…unless it’s a democrat that needs to be held accountable, then it’s usually bipartisan.