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Over the past few decades, the number of Americans who identify as religiously unaffiliated—often referred to as “nones”—has grown rapidly. In the 1970s, only about 5% of Americans fell into this category. Today, that number exceeds 25%. Scholars have debated whether this change simply reflects a general decline in belief, or whether it signals something more complex. The research team wanted to explore the deeper forces at play: Why are people leaving institutional religion? What are they replacing it with? And how are their personal values shaping that process?
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It’s dumb?
Everyone, myself included always come back to the same reason - there is no proof.
If I was given actual proof of a god or pantheon or any other ridiculous nonsense I’d absolutely change my mind but actual proof magic exists can’t exist because magic isn’t real
I fully accept that I don’t and can’t truly understand the universe but where the fuck does that somehow morph into “god did it” it’s ok not to know everything I don’t need made up bullshit to fill the gaps so I can feel better about not having every answer. Live with not knowing, that’s what being human is meant to be, acceptance
god definitely exists, as it’s just a philosophical concept to say the “cause of all causes”. by definition, such a thing exists, i would say.
the issue is more with organized religion. there’s a lot of rules and bureaucracy in it, and most of that is outdated.
god definitely exists, as it’s just a philosophical concept to say the “cause of all causes”.
I hope you stretched before making that leap.
Snark aside, this is just a dressed-up version of the “god of the gaps” argument, and is by no means proof of the existence of god. Changing the definition of “god” to be the “cause of all causes” is uselessly broad at best, and misattribution at worst - the “cause of all causes” may very well be a natural phenomenon, at which point attributing it to “god” is just straight up incorrect.
by definition, such a thing exists, i would say.
Actually, maybe not. There’s some new theories and evidence suggesting that it’s possible that the universe is eternal, as in it has always existed, making the existence of a “cause of all causes” impossible (unless of course you also water down the definition of that phrase to the point where it’s meaningless).
god definitely exists, as it’s just a philosophical concept to say the “cause of all causes”.
Most believers will assert that their god exists in a different, more concrete way. The number of persons able or willing to discuss the topic on your terms is an insignificant minority.
I’m not technically leaving religion, I was raised atheist and just never got the hang of believing in supernatural things.
I believe some CRAZY stuff but it’s not supernatural
My guess is that the extreme hatred flowing out of outspoken “Christians” in the US is a huge turn-off, as it should be.
For their study, Schnabel and his colleagues used data from the National Study of Youth and Religion. This included four waves of longitudinal survey data and 183 in-depth interviews conducted from 2003 to 2013. The sample included over 1,300 individuals, each tracked from adolescence into young adulthood. […] The number of respondents attending religious services dropped dramatically between 2003 and 2013.
The study used data that’s 12 years old! Millennials are not young adults anymore. At this point it’s well known that Americans, especially the younger cohorts, are moving away from religion, so why even bother reanalyzing ancient data?
Gen Z is more religious and conservative, than millennials, a lot more
Generally less able to identify scams so, it tracks.
It is very useful to reanalyze old data. Recently, a study came out that concluded that we have misunderstood the role of nutrition and calories in fitness, and it examined studies over a period of decades to come to the conclusions. You don’t always need new data to make new conclusions.
They have tech now. And conspiracy theories. Lots of stuff to cult about. They can build their own religion if they want.
With blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the religion!
samus12345, you lead and I will follow. All hail samus12345.
the atomisation of society!
it would throw society into chaos! (/s)
Discard organized religion, replace it with rational materialism and/or roll your own bullshit.
Personally, I opt for the second one - this religion/spiritualism stuff hits different when you know, constantly remind yourself, and tell others that it’s just your pet pile of bullshit.
*Gen Y
because its bullshit?
For me it’s because religion is brain cancer that fucks up anyone who takes it seriously.
I feel like they’re missing an important point
Most organized religions blue the line between clergy and god so followers need to believe their religious leaders are pretty close to infallible, like God is claimed to be.
However with modern society, information is easy to get and everywhere. So people know about organized religion’s issues, and without that structure and reinforcement, we see a slower but substantial reduction in general belief in God that will continue for generations as less people are indoctrinated into organized religion at a young age.
Not sure why the author acts like it’s a mystery
Most organized religions blue the line between clergy and god so followers need to believe their religious leaders are pretty close to infallible, like God is claimed to be.
It’s because the fundamental purpose of religion is control for the purpose of concentrating power.
It’s because the fundamental purpose of religion is control for the purpose of concentrating power.
Not at first, but the people in the organization who want that will rise to the top due to ruthlessness.
Especially because the already established religions in the area will try to crush the new one, and that persecution makes that concentration of power a necessity to fight back. Which is a reason even dominant religions still claim they’re being persecuted.
It’s not just a religious issue, it’s just sociology in general. Humans evolved for groups of like 250 people, so all our gut instincts are shit when scaled up to millions of people. To compensate we fall back to labels and generalizations, and nuance goes out the window.
Exploiting all that makes it easy to move up in any power structure, so on a long enough timeline the majority of people in charge are going to be willing to do anything to increase their organization’s power, because that increases their personal power.
I support a few religious organizations through volunteer work.
My rules for these organizations are simple:
- The religion takes a back seat to helping the community
- They’re not preachy or trying to convert people
- They don’t diddle little kids.
You’d think it’ll be easy to meet that criteria.
Only one I can think of is Unitarian Universalist for all 3. Maybe some sort of Buddhism? Though probably have broken #3 and are very big/organized.
I do volunteer for a Unitarian church and a Buddhist temple! Nailed it.
Awesome! I just started going to a UU church again after a decade+ away…just as wholesome as I remember. Thank you for the volunteer work! You are amazing 😍
Can unitarian universalist even be considered a religion? Isn’t it just a catch-all group for people to get together and worship in a more harmonious way?
They get together and practice, which counts as a religion even if they are kinda doing their own thing.
I mean they have 8 guiding principles but it’s a fair point. I feel like the term religion is used very loosely there, but I do wonder what religion that DOES have strong guiding tenents that isn’t at least mildly aggressive about them.
I’m curious which is more common a failing #3 or #2.
most christian charity or aid orgs are mostly about that captive audience.
How would you even know if #3 was true or not, it’s not like they advertise it.
Flip a coin
We could… weigh them? And, if they weigh as much as a duck, then we know they are kiddie fiddlers!
They don’t diddle little kids.
You know they don’t, when they perform a song about it…
Imagine my mom used to volunteer together with JW back in the 90s
“You will know them by their fruits” ahh criteria
it really paints a very negative light of organized religion all together.
Yeah I used to think ‘‘how do Catholics manage to keep going?’’ Then my church fought a lawsuit to get them to report child abuse, then bought insurance to buffer any financial loss they might incur while protecting child rapists. I feel like Jesus telling people that if they feel like hurting kids they should stop, take a deep breath, and commit suicide, kind of forbids this sort of behavior.
Better understanding of the physical world than previous generations, for one thing. That and the advent of TV and Internet made it much harder to hide the hypocrisy and crimes.
The faster the better. It’s fundamentalists creating a lot of the problems in the world as they try to force their beliefs on others.
insight into why.
Because it’s not fucking real?
This isn’t rocket surgery.
That hasn’t become any more or less true in recent years, though. It’s worth asking why people are now thinking of the idea differently than they did for the past several thousand
Well I suppose there’s still no proof that there never was a so-called “divine Y-chromosome” as believed in by Christians, but before we knew about DNA, or even human cells, the ridiculous legends of religion were definitely harder to refute. The ridiculousness of those legends was a big part of their power - the more stupid and unhinged a religious story appears to us today, the more in awe believers would have been about it 300 or 400 years ago.
So while religion hasn’t become less real in recent years, it has become a lot easier to point out its absurdities.
You know what’s funny tho
I probably would have a lot more tail if I was attending a church.
