Epstein did not kill himself
ITT: people who genuinely care about Bill Gates’ image and won’t stand for him being called a pedo.
Billionaires dismissing humanity as is their nature.
Fucking coward. Being concerned that your family might have problems is not an excuse for associating with someone like that. You’re a big fucking boy bill, pull your britches up, accept you did an infidelity, and don’t associate with child sex traffickers.
Gates hired Jake Greenberg, who was the oversight panel’s chief investigative official until December, to help him prepare for the appearance, the New York Times reported on Tuesday. A committee spokesperson told Reuters the panel has not worked with Greenberg since his departure.
How is this allowed
The people with all the money make the rules
Hey, so I spent the past few months preparing that big investigation into that one scandal of yours, but now that I’ve made a career change can I interest you in some interview prep?
Money.
Gates also testified that he never witnessed any criminal conduct from Epstein. He accused Epstein of blackmailing him over his extramarital affairs.
Behold, Homo Billionaries
“never witnessed criminal conduct from Epstein” my ass… blackmail is criminal conduct.
Nah, all my bros do it
Soon to be homo trillionaires.
The subtext is that the Epstein ring was a compromat factory.
We already knew that though.
At this rate we will discover at some time in 2027 that Epstein is dead.
They’re slow walking this. Classic Trump legal strategy.
He’s not going to face justice. Its sickening that he’s lied, stolen, and raped kids and others his whole life and been promoted to King of the world as the result, but thats just how it is.
At least after he’s dead he will become the distraction for who ever replaces him, so his legacy will be torn to shreds.
People are shitting on Gates and that’s appropriate and all, but the subtext here is really important. Epstein and his circle went after powerful people through blackmail and the influence extends really far. And there’s a person sitting at the head of the White House who’s name appears a fuckton of times in the Epstein files. The whole thing needs to be blown wide open and there’s obviously a lot of people in powerful positions who don’t want that to happen because things about them will get out.
Epstein was planted by Israel to control the most powerful in the US with blackmail of the abhorrent shit they did. They still have them all under their thumb from the info he gave them.
Now Israel basically controls the US thanks to all this bullshit.
Yesterday’s NYT expose of the Epstein panic in the White House last summer mentions that the name Mar-a-Lago appears in the Epstein files over 38,000 times.
That’s a hell of a lot of orange smoke for a tiny little nothing-to-see-here fire.
We already know the subtext though. That’s the thing the entire pizza gate saga was essentially a fake version of what’s been happening since at least the 1960s with Israeli intelligence.
Epstein, like his many bosses and colleagues still operating, helped traffic children, matched powerful people with children (sometimes adults), all to ensure their absolute loyalty to whatever group is actually in charge of both the CIA and Israeli intelligence agencies.
If you’re not with them, you’re against them, so they’ll either make sure you stay with them, or they’ll just kill you (JFK).
That’s the thing the entire pizza gate saga was essentially a fake version of what’s been happening since at least the 1960s with Israeli intelligence.
It’s not unique to the Israelis.
Also, it’d be really interesting to look more deeply into the origins of the Pizzagate allegations, to see if (as I suspect) the originators had Epstein links. It’s a common tactic to poison media coverage of a potential scandal by spreading a false but similar story that can be discounted, then conflating the now-dismissed fake story with the real one.
I’m willing to bet pizzagate was also real, and ALL of them are degenerates.
Qanon was a diversion to deflect the Trump Epstein network’s activities onto everyone else, particularly political opponents.
The stories I’ve read of Donald Ewen Cameron blackmailing people in mk ultra are similar.
And who is “they” in your opinion? Don’t be so secretive.
absolute loyalty to whatever group is actually in charge of both the CIA and Israeli intelligence agencies.
I did address that. Or, in other words, the capital class which acts as a single distinct entity in most things, and uses tactics like this to ensure a lack of in-fighting.
So Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed politicians to ensure their absolute loyalty to the “capitalist class” which is also in charge of mossad and the cia? How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids? Or do you think they all do it secretly?
Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?
The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)
Edit: I don’t disagree with anything that “Albbi”, the person you responded to, said in their comment though.
How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids?
Name a single one, I’ll give you an Epstein linked politician in it.
Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?
I don’t think you’ve ever met anyone in business or politics. But specifically I was talking about people like Mamdani or Bernie, who essentially have no power and will never have any power that threatens capital. They will either eventually be approached, blackmailed, and forced to reverse course or killed if they ever gain actual traction.
The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)
If you believe anything I’ve said is antisemitic, you are unironically antisemitic.
You’re the one making extraordinary allegations. The burden of proof is on you.
Anyway, your class-based analysis is over-generalized to the point of being useless, since it doesn’t address the reality of factionalism and internal competition within the owning class, and the likelihood that there are many overlapping mechanisms that enforce owning-class solidarity, pedo-blackmail being only one. And some of those mechanisms are non-coercive, more akin to alignment of interests than to blackmail or extortion.
I don’t think a guy like Friedrich Merz or someone like Angela Merkel or Jaques Chirac or even Barrack Obama or whatever did politics in favor of capital because they were blackmailed by a shadowy cabal of global elites with proof of their heinous sex crimes. Doing politics in favor of capital simply comes with the territory of being the leader of a capitalist state. Many of these politicians also either are part of or grew up within the capitalist class and are simply serving their own material and ideological interests.
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say about Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani either, as if the people on the Epstein list were all socialist politicians that got a little too powerful and would have paved the way for workers rights and equality were it not for the evil global cabal that enticed them to diddle kids and then blackmailed them to do a 180 on their otherwise honest and humanitarian views.
I don’t think it really matters much for the existence of capitalism that some rich people like to spend their time raping people. If so and since you’re saying this has been happening since around the 60s, how do you explain the existence of capitalism before 1939? Before 1914? And even before that? Is it all built on mfers getting blackmailed for diddling kids or are there maybe other incentives for people in power to enable the unfethered accumulation of capital?
What’s in a name? Would an Illuminati by any other name not smell as creep?
Can you rephrase that? I don’t understand
It’s a play on the “would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet” line from Romeo and Juliet.
And it was done in a playful joking way because if we assume there actually is a group that controls entities like CIA and mossad, referring to them by name doesn’t tell us much, and I wouldn’t expect a random commenter to actually know their name, if they even have one to begin with. Like, such a group would be well hidden and well informed and quite powerful.
I think that beliefs like that stem from a lack of understanding of the economic system we’re all living under and its self-perpetuating nature. Capitalism by its very logic is ever expanding and cements itself wherever it can in every nook and cranny of this planet, as well as our personal lives and psyches as shown in the last couple of decades. There is absolutely no need nor a place for an evil and organized cabal of people consciously pulling the strings of the world order. On the contrary, this system is inherently competetive and there are many many groups of people in the form of private companies that are all trying to wipe each other out and gain a monopolistic position on the world market (They dont just want this but they are practically forced to do it if you examine the logic of the system, you can read Das Kapital or some secondary sources for a more thorough explanation of it). Of course there is price fixing behind closed doors and all sorts of dirty fucking business deals, but all those are far from a world-controlling elite group.
And I believe that such rethoric is not only wrong but also antisemitic. It is a very old antisemitic dogwhistle that was widespread across europe especially during the first half of the 20th century actually. It doesn’t always have to be against the jews, these days you also see it directed at muslims a lot for example. Not that you are necessarily actively fostering antisemitic beliefs, but I find it shocking nontheless that a lot of people seem to have swallowed this line of thinking hook line and sinker following the horrible revelations of the Epstein case and perpetuate this conspiratory way of making sense of the world on the internet.
That’s if you believe Gates is telling the truth and not simply covering his ass.
There is nothing to indicate that Bill Gates isn’t telling the truth. Maybe not the whole truth. But no doubt Epsteins main business was to create compromats.
Why not both?
Hard to lie and tell the truth at the same time.
The best lies are rooted in truth
The thing that stands out though is none of the women abused by Epstein ever mentioned Gates and he is a well known figure
Sorry that’s a fairly simple view of reality.
People convince others of fallacies without lying all the time.
You can absolutely tell the truth while presenting a fiction.
The only question here, which we will likely never know, is the extent to which this testimony is an objective, balanced recount of the circumstances.
Huh. Would you look at that.
The more I read about this Epstein guy the more I think he was a jolly bad egg.
Take my upvote for a Norm MacDonald inspired joke.
Well . . yeah
Oh, another Epstein “victim”.
Fuck you, Bill. Epstein never forced a billionaire into anything, they all walked into the trap willingly.
I’m not saying Gates was a “victim”, but it seems silly to ignore the role blackmail played in Epstein’s operations.
Someone can be a thoroughly shitty person and also a victim.
Multiple things can be true at once. He was a victim of blackmail because he was guilty of whatever the fuck was going on at pedo island.
I think a lot of people were pressured into participating at pedo Island because of existing blackmail, which generated more powerful blackmail. Using blackmail leverage to create more blackmail leverage is like blackmail 101.
Correct - but he should still be held accountable for things like fucking children even if he did so under the threat of some other embarrassing info going public.
Blackmail only works when the one being blackmailed digs their own grave with a pattern of failing to do what they should do every step of the way.
Oh I never said he shouldn’t be held accountable. I’m just saying there was almost certainly a pipeline of small steps to being fully implicated. There were definitely people who got involved with Epstein because he was a power broker that had his fingers in a lot of pies, and by the time they were past the point of no return it was too late.
Not saying that’s the case with Gates, but it’s important to recognize that part.
It does seem here like he’s openly admitting he had multiple affairs, isn’t particularly trying to hide it
He is, and generally something like an affair demands only social and civil repercussions; that it happened on Epstein island tells me the affairs he had were with sex slaves (who are not allowed the right to consent, so “affairs” in this case is short for “people he raped”) - who were likely children given what that island is known for. Admitting to it is not the same as being held accountable for it. Rape, especially child rape, demands criminal justice.
You’re absolutely right, but I think some of us are worried about losing sight of how he managed to rule via blackmail: he blackmailed incredibly shitty people who did incredibly shitty things. Epstein was a monster of a human whose own proclivities will haunt most of our nightmares for the rest of our lives, but we shouldn’t forget that he didn’t coerce the people he blackmailed. Sure, he enabled and catered to them, but these people already had their own horrifying habits that they thought (probably correctly) they were rich or powerful enough to practice with impunity.
I know you already said that you’re not calling Gates a victim. But also, focusing too hard on a (made up) quote like “Epstein blackmailed me into 90% of the crimes I committed,” runs the risk of a large portion of the population forgetting that 10% of those crimes were catered by requesting using resources from other people Epstein blackmailed because they also wanted to do some shit that was so fucked up that only someone like Epstein could make it happen quickly, quietly, and conveniently.
Excellent comment.
I would be prepared to see a lot more of this over the next few months, they know they can’t not release shit forever so they’re letting the biggest players get their ducks in a row first.
LOL at taking 7 words to say “blackmail”
Yeah, Mr Mossad was getting blackmail on the American elite so they would do their bidding.
Just to be clear this is not Trump testifing under oath. Not Epstein. Not Maxwell.
Yep only people who don’t fall in line with the current regime. Fuck Gates and I’m glad to see any of these monster prosecuted but there are bigger fish they should’ve started with.
Gates is a piece of shit and I’m glad the ghoul is getting put to the coals but a lot of republicans see him as one of the biggest villains in the context of Epstein, this is to placate them and nothing more, I honestly hope he’s still got the guile he used in the 90s and sells everyone else out once he knows he’s fucked.
Yes we know, and their ages?
Plea for sympathy: Denied.
So we now have clear evidence this is what everybody with a brain thought it was. All that’s left is to apply that reasoning to the dog that hasn’t barked.
Edit: and we’re all aware of how well Maxwell is being treated?
Gate claimed “visiting” Epstein was a big mistake. If he only visited, then he couldn’t be blackmailed. Blackmail means he was shagging underage girls and there’s evidence in the Epstein files.
Blackmail means he was shagging underage girls and there’s evidence in the Epstein files.
I mean, it’s not fully guaranteed, Fact is shagging adult women is still a compromising event for a married billionaire, and Epstein didn’t EXCLUSIVELY traffic underage women.
That isn’t a proof that gates didn’t shag underaged women, but currently the only thing we have evidence to point to is Epstein planning to blackmail him over spiking STD medications to his wife from a disease caught from “russian girls”.
Elstein was a paedophile and he enabled paedophiles, but that’s not all he was. What he was was a fixer. He wasn’t a “I can get you a 12 year-old by noon”, he was a “I can get you whatever you want (including 12 year-olds) by noon”
I think he was also a “I can get you an 18 year old escort” then afterwards use the fact they were actually 16 or 17 for blackmail.
Exactly. If what Gates wanted was a couple of 30 year old women who were dtf and a couple lines of coke with some mdma over a nice ocean view then Epstien could have that tomorrow and be asking yacht or island. But it comes with both all the privacy he could use to threaten with and an expectation that he can call in favors and connections too. And suddenly in exchange for being set up a man who pimps children has dirt on you, connections to you, and you owe him a bit.
Maybe I misread the article, but it seems they assisted gates with getting in touch with women to have an affair with. It has been said before he had affairs with Russian prostitutes so I imagine that’s what this is vs with children. Even Epstein would prefer to blackmail him with being a pedo, I bet he was happy enough to get such a powerful person blackmailed with anything.
Another reason I believe it wasn’t pedophilia that gates was involved in is because he’d be lying to Congress about this, a felony. If they have evidence of gates lying, he’d still be known as a pedo, and ending up a criminal as well.
it seems they assisted gates with getting in touch with women to have an affair with
That’s not clear. Another possiblity is the Epstein traded some of his compromat for the information he used to blackmail Gates.
he’d be lying to Congress about this, a felony
A felony that’s seldom and very selectively prosecuted.
If they have evidence of gates lying, he’d still be known as a pedo, and ending up a criminal as well.
He might be a more useful asset out of jail than in.
Even Epstein would prefer to blackmail him with being a pedo, I bet he was happy enough to get such a powerful person blackmailed with anything.
I mean not necesserally, I do agree, we have no evidence, and Epstein certainly had his hands in enough crime, an affair alone would have been enough of a problem for a billionaire with a wife. That being said I’d also say… for Epstein to do blackmail using the underaged women seems… more complicated. IE how do you blackmail someone for a crime that you were also a part of. How do you follow through on that blackmail without also collapsing the rest of the operation.
