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Everyone happy about motorola and GOS scene, moto has been recently found out for some honey pot scam they were doing in people phone. So the brand we will be paying is not that good and is also just evil like Google
I’m on GrapheneOS on tablet and phone running mostly/exclusively open source, so not affected.
september i get my jolla phone :))
Same here
I hope they push this out and spark the ire of the EU, who tells them to unfuck it or starts funding an alternative like Ubuntu Phones or something. That would be an amazing outcome.
Unfortunately, things have to get worse before they get better. It’s how people learn.
I think they’ll argue they’re better than ios
Is this update going to affect older Android versions in phones that stopped receiving OS updates years ago?
And, if so, how do I disable all OS updates entirely?
Depends on your version, search for “update” in the settings area.
Until people fork and forget Google, they will always control Android.
This is a nice list I’d consider for new phones.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
- Fairphone (Netherlands)
- Hiroh (USA)
- SHIFTphone (Germany)
- Teracube (USA)
- Punkt MC03 (Switzerland)
- Volla (Germany) with Volla OS or Ubuntu Touch (Germany)
- Jolla (Finland) with Sailfish OS (Finland)
- Purism Librem (USA, manufactured in the USA)
i got a fairphone from murena with /e/OS preinstalled recently. i love it so far, but theres a weird glitch where it will randomly switch timezones and only goes back when i restart it and some apps are a little broken.
the issues are relatively minor and its nice to have a phone i know i can plan to keep for a really long time. also the camera is so much better than my old phone. some people said its mid compared to other new phones but if i wanted a camera that nice id buy a real camera.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
Whenever a malicious app breaks or scammers get to you, its always through the google play store. Their shit isnt even safe to make this fucken claim about safety.
Right but its official, so its safe. That’s what matters. Not whether it has malware or not.
But most importantly, some rich asshole will make some money this quarter and that’s all that matters
So, do I finally need to learn about GrapheneOS? What are other people doing?
Graphene is by far the best. I highly recommend it.
Right now you need a Pixel to run it but soon you can get a Motorola that works with it.
Soon? Was there an update with a timeline? Last I saw it was only ‘announced’ And there’s no ETA
Graphene is only of help (today) if you buy some shit from Google namely a Pixel. If you have another phone, step numero uno is always to learn what custom ROMs are available for your make and model.
Used Pixels are cheap and the money doesn’t go to Google again.
It supports Google by making their reseller market strong. People will buy pixels knowing they will be of value on the reseller market thus strengthening the primary market.
That’s the problem with buying a used Pixel.
On theory, yeah. I got a 512gb pixel 9 fold with a dead inner screen, the rest works fine, for $200. It’s a good deal.
And what are we supposed to do about it?
I made a goddamn prediction back in 2012 when Google was introducing the Nexus line of handsets. I FUCKING KNEW this “open platform” bullshit had it’s days numbered.
These companies are fun when they’re young, but they will ALWAYS turn on the consumer.
Adam Smith was right. Without ethics and morals, the system WILL crumble.
@dudesss@lemmy.ca made a nice list of phones.
We have extremely moral billionaires preaching their theology in silicon valley, so it should all be fixed pretty soon.
This is why I’m happy about Motorola next year
With some luck I’ll have time to put together my diy palmtop-esque machine, but we’ll see if that works out.
For anyone who hasn’t heard, Motorola is partnering with GrapheneOS to release compatible phones in 2027.
I really hope the Motorola thing actually pans out. Based on the general state of things I’m done with both Apple and Google.
What is the Motorola thinf being referred to here?
The GrapheneOS folks are working with Motorola to have Graphene pre-installed on one of their phones. It would be the first time it is officially usable on anything but a Pixel. It won’t solve the problem described in the OP though. It’s still Android.
Afaik GrapheneOS won’t be affected, neither will e/OS. The real problem with them still being based as AOSP is, that google might stop the AOSP project. That would mean the forks would need to do that continous based development themselves.
Same here. And its not like we are overwhelmed with alternatives, too.
Things have taken quite the turn from the nexus era to now, dropping nexus for pixel felt so blatant too.
What about Motorola? 😯
I got a reply clarifying that theyre partnering with graphene. I figured I’d reply so you didn’t miss it in the thread
They are going to start loading GrapheneOS on phones from the start
Fantastic! Thanks for explaining 🙏
Yeah same, I have no idea what’s happening with Motorola…
They are partnering with GrapheneOS
I don’t trust Motorola to make a phone that doesn’t have numerous hardware backdoors. Motorola does a ton of work for both the US and Israel. If it sounds too good to be true than it probably is. I think the US/Israel gave Motorola a bit of cash to make backdoored hardware that’s made specifically for a privacy hardened software.
What’s going to happen to phones that already have 3rd party apps installed?
It’d be a stunningly idiotic move if they let you keep the ones already installed, but not let you update them - allowing security holes fixed by future versions to persist so you’re wide open to exactly what they claim they’re trying to prevent. More likely they’ll use them as marketing for how “safe” Google is making you by repeatedly pointing out one at a time how they’re blocking app “x” now that a security hole has been found on it.
The only reason I have an android is that the laundry app I’m forced to use runs through it. It’s literally only still surviving because capitalism contrived a way to tie it to my basic needs.
Laundry… app?
It’s exactly as stupid as it sounds. Landlord decided we need to pay through an app. My budget overrules my principles, and the local laundry mats are at least five times the price, so… Yeah.
Is it just an app to add money to an account or do you need to tap something? Could you run the app through bluestacks?
You add money to the app, then the app checks your location (for “reasons”) and connects to the machine via bluetooth then you press start. I’m not confident about running it through other things, but I don’t want to say it’d be impossible – certainly not worth the hassle though. Eventually, I’ll move and it won’t be a problem after that.
That’s messed up. Wow. It’s how they get you.
Good luck getting out of there.
It would probably work with a laptop. But yeah eventually you’ll move. I just hate being vendor locked by things.
Buy a second hand pixel 8, 9, 10 pro, xl or not, based on your budget. I wouldn’t recommend older. Then after loading GrapheneOS create a couple user profiles. While in this screen remove the ability of the profile to run in background. Use one of these sandboxed users as a Google phone. Install Google Play Compatibility through the graphene installer. Now you have a Google option. Some banking apps won’t work, and the McDonalds app won’t work. Google is then sandboxed and not running constantly. If you need a Google app, you can switch over. And without background profile running enabled Google services will completely closed when switching back. No reset needed, just like 3 seconds loading. If you install Wattz (fdroid) you can see the power draw reduced in nongoogle mode. The root profile can share apps, create and delete profiles. I guess one downside is you need to learn multiple login passwords. Also no tap to pay ever.
Better than quarters.
I’ve been on both sides of it. I far prefer the quarters/physical cash over the app nonsense.
How the heck does that work? Do you need the phone to unlock the washing machine?
Yeah, there are no quarters. The app connects via bluetooth, but you also have to have location and data on. To be fair, quarters were a persistent pain with the banks not wanting to trade money if I didn’t have an account, so ups and downs.
Andromeda (on FuriOS) works amazingly; most apps run on it, including all þree of my bank’s apps. I hear þe Ubuntu touch Android emulator works just as well.
I’d have upvoted the comment if it weren’t for the pretentious bullshit presentation of its content.
We should’ve shattered Apple in 2008.
So what is the next fork here? I’ve been handcuffed to android/Google (phones/ tablets) for decades. I have a couple of iPads but they don’t have cellular and don’t fit in your pocket.
Graphene OS
Finding out whether the pushed update effects jailbroken android set ups like Lineage would be a next step. But it will be a lot of work to see if you can jailbreak all your devices.
