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You need to extend the graph beyond January. The US has been riding an enormous localized wave that crested shortly after Trump’s inauguration. American securities (particularly the MAG7) are enormously overvalued, with revenue that is dwarfed by their stock price.
This is a much-needed market correction, not a regional stock performance split from within the US.
Not even suggesting Trump isn’t shit. Its very obvious that he’s popped the irrational optimism bubble we’ve been gliding on since even before COVID hit. But we were in a bubble. DOW 43k, never even mind the absurd NASDAQ run up, is not representative of the functional economic capacity of the nation as a whole. Without unlimited free money from the Fed to keep inflating asset prices, we were going to enter a downturn sooner or later.
The real question is whether the DOGE Team will kick the knees out from under our Treasury/Fed countercyclical spending system on the way back to earth and cause us to land harder than necessary.
This is what happens when your president is a used car salesman.
Okay, here’s my conspiracy theory…
Now let’s say you’re Trump and the supreme Court has said it’s just about impossible to convict somebody of corruption in the US. You see that you’re going to be elected president and your goal is to figure out how to make a crap ton of money off being present. Now you can do the boring old s make dignitaries stay at your hotel thing or have foreign governments. Give Jared kushner a bunch of money… But that’s all pocket change. If you’re president, you can crash the economy. If you know a bunch of Rich Russian oligarchs who can short the market and you can tell them exactly when the market will crash then they can make billions… And you can get your cut too.
This is why Trump doesn’t really give a shit why the tariffs are in place. That’s why he makes up bullshit answers when asked why the tariffs are implemented. He doesn’t care. … But he really really really wants to yank the market around. First he says tariffs happening, then he says they’re not, then they’re happening again. Every time the market goes up and down he can make a shit ton of money if he can accurately predict when it goes up or down.
I can’t get this idea out of my head. It makes more sense than anything else I can come up with. There’s so much money to be made if you have the power to yank around the u.s. economy and enough narcissism to not give a shit about the people hurt in the process.
That was my idea. These jarring and quickly implemented money drainers only really help ppl outside the market.
What I’m wondering when reading such theories is: does money matter all that much to these people? Like when you’re 80+ years old and a billionaire I don’t see what the end game there is, unless it’s just an uncle Scrooge attitude but I still find it a bit hard to believe. I think that in order to become a billionaire you need to be seriously driven by something more than 0s - maybe power, influence or attention.
You’ve got to step back a little to understand.
The key thing is that it is not possible (excluding inheritance) to become a billionaire without being a scheming psychopathic cut-throat selfish person and having a determined drive to have power over others.
The second key is it’s not possible to keep your billions without being a psychopath. This because you could never possibly spend that money in your lifetime and the only way to have accumulated it is through exploitation of labour.
So it’s a thing you don’t need that you got via abusing others. They want power and they don’t care how they get it. They have no plan beyond that. Personally I think it’s mental health issues and the fact that we allow this in our flawed system.
It’s not wealth hoarding, it’s wealth OBSTRUCTION as a means to control everyone. It’s pathological fo sho.
it’s not just allowed it’s encouraged, in fact i’d go as far as to say it’s the only way to “win” in this system
Logically you would think the answer should be that money shouldn’t matter much, but it always seems to. It’s still a way of keeping score and a proxy for power. They’ve always longed for more money/power and as they get older and their brain slows down, they don’t suddenly change. What old billionaire have you seen says “you know what? I’m going to give everyone raises! I don’t need more money! We should all be happy together!” (Almost) never happens. They want more and more and more… and then they die.
Bill Gates seems to be like that. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like him and he’s still doing lots of shitty billionaire stuff, but he seems to be satisfied with “just” being a billionaire and making sure his offspring will be billionaires as well and giving away a lot of the money he will never be able to spend on his own anyway. Same goes for George Soros and Warren Buffet.
I like the little hopeful bump before the inauguration.
That’s not a bump. It’s in line with the rest of the world.
Yes, a bump in the world markets. On US news. A trend I hope we see less of in the future.
On US news.
What news in particular? Remember, People knew for months that Trump was going to be inaugurated.
Still no idea why it happened, but it was a nice little bonus when I sold off all my positions before he came to power.
Smart. It was the the hope of a business man coming in and doing things good for the market (not for people mind you, wall st is not that out of touch)
This is going to be a hard one to explain to the MAGA fans
What isn’t hard to explain to that lead poisoned cult of cunts.
It’s ukraine’s fault. Should’ve thanked harder
why would Joe Biden do this
The stock market was bloated
Actual trump regime statements
Despite all the myths Democrats are better for the economy. They always produce better numbers.
rich ppl yacht money “economy”, sure
Uh no? Compare employment numbers from whichever source you prefer. Democratic presidents have lower unemployment.
That’s not true. They definitely should do way more to help the working class but the numbers show that the economy in general is better under them.
Nonsense. Disappointed this gets upvotes.
How the hell are the democrats the party of enriching the wealthy when compared to the fucking R’s?? I mean fucking hell have any of you ever read a book or even glanced at historic and current R policy?
How the hell are the democrats the party of enriching the wealthy when compared to the fucking R’s??
glances at the Obama administration unprecedented market bull run while foreclosures were rampant and low-income poverty surged
The Americans, in typical capitalist extravagance, insist on having two right-wing parties instead of one.
I mean fucking hell have any of you ever read a book or even glanced at historic and current R policy?
Democrats sow, Republicans reap. But the line only ever consistently goes up for the already wealthy. Passive income dominates wage growth. Assets prices outrun revenues thanks to our investor-friendly monetary policies. And the Piketty R > G math, with ®ate of investment return > (g)ross domestic profit yield, leads to a steady consolidation of property in the hands of a shrinking ultra-wealthy minority under both parties.
Yes, democrats do periodically have to save capitalism from itself - for which the bourgeois are perpetually aggrieved. But what did Obama do when he was handed half the financial sector on a platter by the outgoing Bush Administration? Did he properly title homeowners who had already paid in mortgage several multiples of the face value of their homes? Did he cancel a bunch of outstanding student loan debt, so that college students weren’t perpetually hobbled by interest payments on debt? Did he universalize Medicaid or even deliver on a public option to evade insurance company graft?
No. He gave the bankers their crooked banks back for a vanishingly tiny ROI. He forgave the debts of major lenders, bailed out executives, propped up stock prices of major hedge funds and corporate institutions, subsidized private insurance to the benefit of the insurers, downsized Medicaid during the Government Shutdown fight, increased school privatization at the primary level, and did literally nothing for his most zealous base of supporters - educated professionals.
And then his party got absolutely washed in the subsequent three election cycles, culminating in the nation’s most incestuous pedophile taking the White House in 2016.
And that was Obama, the closest thing to a progressive the party has produced since LBJ. Carter, Clinton, and Biden were even worse.
Realistically the right makes things worse for the 90%, the centre makes things worse for the 90% but slower. At least in recent history.
I don’t think its “compared” to the Rs but just in general they are good for “rich ppl yacht” money. Your instant move to compare the two parties (making bad policy OK by comparing it to “OH FUCK” policy) is why the usa is in the state it is now.
Damnit, I came here to blame Joe Biden, but it seems like everyone else beat me to it. Oh well, time to go tariff some more countries and then act shocked by the results…
How dare Biden tank the economy while trump is president just to make him look bad! Any day now, all these incomprehensible tariff ramblings, threats, and further ostracization of our allies are going to make America so great! /s
Maybe Trump just didn’t know how to spell and he just meant “Make America grate again” because it certainly does something like that to most people’s nerves at the moment.
slams fist on desk
Biden!
How did Justin Trudeau manage this? I thought he was too busy making potholes?
As the fellon in the White House said - „it’s just a small group, boycotting, attacking …“ well I don’t think so „Mr. president“
more like lol street amirite
I can’t. Is this mental difficulties or that thing journalists do where they have to act like they were literally just born and don’t know anything about the world? I don’t know the dude in OP.
Wait, are you not aware of sarcasm?
Honest to god, I really just missed it. Reading it now it’s so blatantly sarcasm, I’m going to just have to blame it on a combination of lack of sleep and my being a dumbass.
Pretty ironic for someone with the handle, JokeDeity.
Tbh Wall Street can fuckin off. They helped create this mess. If this ship is going down, let’s make sure none of the assholes find a seat on a life boat.
You think they aren’t already profiting off of the downturn?
half of them voted for this guy, so yeah I’m wondering whether they actually saw it coming or not
They’ll buy everything that collapses up at a great discount
yeah but will it actually rise again
All of everyone’s retirement accounts are invested in the market. So it’s not just those assholes who get fucked by this.
Maybe it will force Americans to do something against that? If no one has any retirement, there’s bound to be a lot of public outcry. There’s nothing to lose if you have nothing.
In fact, those assholes will be fine. WE won’t.
Lucky me, I don’t have any retirement investments!
How much of retirement accounts represent in % for the overall stock market?
Assuming that all of the equities held by the bottom 99% are invested in retirement accounts, it would be 50.1% of the market. [https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/table/#quarter:140;series:Corporate equities and mutual fund shares;demographic:networth;population:all;units:shares]
Not much, but the peecent of people who have their money in stocks for retirement is high.
All of everyone’s retirement accounts are invested in the market.
Americans not willing to recognize that Social Security exists is such a fucking capitalist vibe
Social security is not enough to live off of. Is projected to be unobtainable for future generations who are paying into it, and is currently on the chopping block
If the billionaires actually paid their share into it, it would be fine…
Yes.
Social security is not enough to live off of.
Nevertheless, it is 40% of retirement income. And none of it comes from the stock market.
projected to be unobtainable for future generations
Projected by advocacy groups trying to abolish social security.
You are being untruthful and dismissive: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/tr/2024/tr2024.pdf Page 9 is the jist.
They are going to have to change something either raise the retirement age or lower the payments both which make it more unobtainable then it already is. And that 40% is based what people make… in a time of rising inflation and stagnant wages…
The fact that social security is not tied to the market is super irrelevant, when the argument was that the 401k is in danger, when social security already is not enough to live on. so it’s important that people have a successful 401k to supplement it.
The real solution is making the average wage go up. Significantly. Which puts more money into the program overall.
With so much money having been shifted away from the average worker and Into the pockets of people who hit the FICA cap in their first paycheck of the year, over the last few decades, it was bound to have issues.
I agree with that, or a ubi, or taxing the rich. All that jazz
They are going to have to change something either raise the retirement age or lower the payments
Or just pay directly out of the general fund, which they can do with a simple vote in Congress and which they already do for Medicare/caid.
The fact that social security is not tied to the market is super irrelevant
It is the primary argument both for and against the program. Investors kick and scream about the benefits of compound interest, right up until a big market nosedive and bankruptcy spree. Meanwhile, it’s the benchmark for guaranteed basic income that progressives love to reference.
Decoupling income from economic growth isn’t irrelevant. It’s the program’s entire raison d’etre.
You would have the tax payers pay even more of the burden now, with out the benefit of even having it contribute to their social security… to pay the gap in social security, damning the tax payers twice. That’s not a permanent solution on top of that! I’m not saying social security should be attached to the market. I mean we are talking about the market fall after all! I am saying that being flippant that everyone Just needs to remember they have social security is dismissive and not relevant.
I switched to cash last week.
Oh you can be sure Congress will be working overtime to pass a bill with relief to those big businesses that cannot fail.
Maybe they should try more tariffs. More tariffs will fix it definitely.
We just need to hawk more $100k Teslas from the White House. …what a fucking embarrassment.
Yo dawg, I heard you like tarrifs…
Too much trade between the states. We need to rip up the Interstate Commerce Clause
Side note, why do people seem to struggle so much with the spelling of the word “tariff”? We’ve seen it so many times yet so many people get it wrong.
Not really a side note, this is just the tip of the “American stupidity and overconfidence that got us here” iceberg.
