Neat quote saw when reading. Admitting you’re wrong in a genuine way is something you see rarely these days.
“In a 2024 interview, he said he renounced his libertarianism as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic after a libertarian group asked him to speak at an anti-mask rally. “The fact they sent me this email is something I need to be very ashamed of, and I need to change” adding “Many times when I identified as Libertarian, people said to me, ‘It’s just rich white guys that don’t want to be told what to do,’ and I had a zillion answers to that — and now that seems 100 percent accurate.”[56]”
I’ve always had a lot of respect for Penn’s sincere “individual freedoms as long as they don’t infringe on the individual freedoms of others” brand of libertarinism that advocated still caring about other people, and isn’t about just deferring to corporations
I’m not surprised he no longer identifies with libertarianism, given what it’s increasingly come to mean. I may not look at the world exactly the same as him or always agree with him but people with sincere principles always have my respect.
The way he and Teller made a show to basically showcase other magicians is super cool. If you look up Penn & Teller: Fool Us on YouTube you’ll see tons of magicians publishing their segments on the show on their personal channels, which must mean Penn and Teller negotiated that performers would have rights to their own performances and can publish them themselves.
Thats fucking cool. (Also a great show, it makes a great YouTube binge!)
That’s what I thought libertarianism was until my mid 20s. That’s seriously what I was taught that it was to be a Texan. If you don’t like what your neighbor is up to, don’t fucking look. The issue is that dumb motherfuckers keep expanding on what they think “infringing on the individual freedoms of others” means. Now it just means “anything I don’t like”.
Hell, I’m still anti-authoritarian for individuals (companies should be heavily regulated). If you’re not hurting someone else I don’t really care what you’re doing. Anyone that does has too much time on their hands.
This is because modern political libertarianism was literally financed by fossil fuel and tobacco billionaires who opposed all regulations; especially health, environmental, and labor. They seized libertarianism as a means to destroy the government. Prior to their takeover in the 70’s, Libertarianism was considered to be progressive.
Most libertarians don’t know what libertarianism is, because they are conservatives who believe their narcissistic “fuck you, got mine” conservatism is libertarianism.
Yeah, I was really confused when I used to identify with libertarianism, and got lumped in with conservatives. I always hated those authoritarians, and the corporations they rode in on.
Yeah, I am quite certain the majority of humans are libertarian — the live and let live, without hurting each other, kind — but I never call myself libertarian to anyone without a massive disclaimer.
You can’t even say “socialist libertarian”… because that sounds like an oxymoron to people. They have no concept of what it means… then you have to explain that socialism can’t exist without democracy… then you have to explain how wealth is power and extreme wealth inequality, where one individual can own more than thousands or millions of people, results in individuals having more power and influence than thousands/millions of people, and is a direct threat to the life and liberty of those people.
It’s ultimately better off not saying any of the buzzwords at all. Thanks, conservatism…
That’s more or less my political ideology. “I think gay married couples should be allowed to protect their weed farms with guns.” But as soon as it comes to income, I’m hardcore authoritarian. Don’t even get me started on how I feel about rental properties. What I have to say about landlords could get me a visit from an FBI party van
I think you (past you at least) would have identified as a libertarian socialist and those other idiots are libertarian anarchists.
Hey, happy lemmy anniversary, I’m glad you’re here! ❤️
Anarchism is the better version of libertarianism. Left-anarchism gives all of the liberties but without capitalism. If only capitalist realists could get past that hurdle.
I need to learn more about anarchism as a political philosophy, I have little grasp of like, what it actually means in practice
by its nature there’s a lot of free content online.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works isn’t a bad start.
The works of Kropotkin are on there as well. Conquest of Bread is a banger.
I can’t get behind anarchism because there will literally always be antisocial people seeking to hurt others, physically or not. Anarchism either ignores that reality or hopes those evil people willingly attend treatment programs that hopefully make them stop hurting others. Murder, rape, theft, war, etc.
That’s not necessarily true, those people can be banished from a community or even violently resisted depending on your flavor.
And even if you take your statement as fact, isn’t that a much easier problem to solve than what we’re dealing with now? Maybe some limited prisons for the worst offenders might be our only compromise
Banished how? They can just re enter.
Violently resisted how? Lynch mob?
I agree that limited prisons is preferable to the current US system but you’ve essentially just reinvented government and police in all but name.
Positions of power like that in anarchist societies are usually held in rotation or fully democratically.
i gotta be honest with you, do you really think no anarchist philosopher ever thought of that?
not exactly, it’s not theoretical this is how stuff has worked before. someone can be banished from a society and become a persona non grata that can’t get support from anyone.
you’re acting as if something that’s actually in our history is unimaginable