cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31072292
Summary:
I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post in leftymemes community. It was LLM generated polandball comic (Which is objectively pathetic as fuck) that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.
I didn’t go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.
One user in question got miffed for being downvoted and banned me from places they moderate.
I wonder if the users who champion AI crap ask ChatGPT how to respond to critics?
YDI. I’m sick and tired of you damn .world shitlibs thinking you own the fediverse and everyone has to follow your rules. And when some corner of it doesn’t, you come unhinged and resort to bigotry and harassment.
You lot are literally some of the absolute worst examples of humanity on Lemmy.
after reading this saw that i was banned too. i don’t mind (never noticed), but was interested to look up the details
that mushroom comm has 11 posts and two comments. since there’s only 11 posts it’s not too onerous to check the votes on lemvotes.org
links + counts
down/up, posts in order of when i looked just now
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45950804
2/3
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45784195
4/2
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45774194
7/7
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43543105
6/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43536774
7/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43509663
7/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42804147
10/8
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42750959
10/10
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42746816
11/7
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42545052
10/8
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42534950
11/10total is 85 down / 82 up (167 total votes including default upvote)
that’s 180 total interactions.
the modlog:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/1406343
shows approx 20 bans per page for 20 pages
there’s over double the amount of bans than there are total interactions in the whole comm
ptb easy
I never check…I just ramble until it eventually breaks. To some degree I am just trying to see if freedom of speech exsist on Lemmy. I am on a mission. Also curious how the whole banning thing is gonna pan out. It is like you paint yourself into a corner that is a circle jerk. Such is life. Online life is really just projection so I lean in.
Hmm…this repost is really making me regret softening my stance in the original thread yesterday.
Communists are shit. You can’t have a communist revolution, Marx warned against it. You have to have a socialist revolution and create a dictatorship of the proletariat. Then you can slowly reform towards communism over the next two centuries.
That said, the filthy anarchists are right on this one. Downvoting AI art is bourgeois counterrevolutionary propaganda and there should be serious penalties for it. AI is one of the greatest tools for the state to promote the collective will of the working class, especially in the face of CIA interference. If the USSR had had generative AI technology, no capitalist insurgent would have been able to lie to the people and mobilise them into rebelling as in Hungary.
Your CIA “anti AI” trolling is despicable and you belong in a work camp serving the proletariat.
Upvotes and downvotes aren’t a “I like/dislike this” button, they’re meant to highlight comments that are contributing positively and constructively to the discussion, showcase insightful comments, or to filter out irrelevant content.
YDI for misusing the buttons.
YDI. !fuck_ai@lemmy.world is cringe. Let people enjoy things
mm yes under 1 day old account
we all gotta start somewhere
still suspicious
you’re from an instance with an admin who panders to transphobes. that’s way more suspicious.
Blahaj panders to transphobes‽
I’m afraid your thought process is a bit unclear with this one. What’re you referring to???
YDI
The entitlement is running strong in those anti-GenAI evangelists, thinking they can just wander into someones home turf and behave like shit, and then complain if there are consequences. YDI
To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I’ve ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.
Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human ‘most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here’ type thought.
I wouldn’t go into ‘/stable diffusion fruit’ to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.
Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.
I just really want to emphasize here:
this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as ‘humanity’, and I’m utterly alone in a howling void.
I might be able to give you another perspective.
This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It’s not intelligence, but it’s distilled human culture.
I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.
The power consumption argument doesn’t even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we’re at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.
Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we’re discussing):
I would make a case for creation of datasets by a international institution like the UNESCO. The used data would be representative for world culture, and creation of the datasets would have to be sponsored by whoever wants to create models out of it, so that licencing fees can be paid to creators. If you wanted to make your mark on global culture, you would have an incentive to offer training data to UNESCO.
I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.
Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it’s not, against all evidence.
I’m aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it’s not your friend, doesn’t love you, and isn’t making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.
Maybe don’t assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.
I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as “it isn’t making art” what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?
When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that’s autocomplete? Because I’ve used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.
I said ‘i find im wrong sometimes’
But this reads like ‘not all men’ so im gonna spare myself the rest of your comment.
I’m attempting good faith discussion on something I find interesting, but you do you.
I told you how arguing about this with enthusiasts who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about has effected me, and you’re still trying to tell me how your cool toy is actually magic tho.
You’re "not all men"ing me about my problem with people who “not all men” about their fucking favorite toy. Not even the first in this thread to do it.
That’s like three layers of the oblivious piece of shit version of, like, reverse FLN recursion; a kind of active anti-consciousness.
PTB. If OOP went to that sub and started mass downvoting it would be one thing, but it looks like they were banned for actions on a completely different sub? That’s pretty unhinged, broski.
ThIs is the sort of abuse the mod is getting, simply for moderating a genAI community. And it’s not the first time. That’s why there’s a zero tolerance policy in those communities.
Hey @TheDude@sh.itjust.works @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works @kersploosh@sh.itjust.works @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works would you be able to investigate this user and potentially permaban them for transphobia, trolling and impersonation of another instance’s moderator?
The MysticMushroom impersonation account has been permabanned. I just re-banned with content removal to clean up some of the comments that were still up.
Thank you!
🤔
Alright I’ll make an exception here. These dudes freaks.
Broke the rules, got punished for it. YDI.
I banned you and I banned that dipshit who posted on Fuck_AI and I have no regrets. You are awful people and your behavior is harmful to this community. YDM. If lemmy.dbzer0.com wasn’t as lenient as it is you’d have instance bans from here as well.
Can you unban me from your AI slop communities and apparently Europe ?? so I can Block the communities so they don’t show up in the All feed? Apparently that option goes away with a Ban so I still have to see your slop and a community I can no longer participate in.
I promise not to ‘systemically downvote’ those communities first, whatever the fuck that means.
You can absolutely block communities when you are banned from them, this is one of the most sad and pathetic excuses to be unbanned I’ve ever heard, request denied.
Community I’m not subbed to on the left, one you banned me from the right that I am not subscribed to. Using a web browser, which is what I use for lemmy.
Where is my button to block the Europe community?
A post showing how the Block Community button disappears when banned is totally off topic in a thread about someone doing blanket bans apparently. At least someone else gave an alternate way to block instead of just going ‘yes you can’ and tossing around insults.
denial stage
Gotta love how now db0 is under the ire of .world because have our own rules and way of doing things.
Also that one weird alt account claiming to be you and oddly talking about pigs is fucking weird.
What, you don’t love people bitching that they can’t walk into special interest communities and break their rules?
I bet you don’t like dummies in the comments trying to get the instances to defederate either, and that’s ableism or something.
I know! It’s such a shame that people can’t just walk into spaces and break all rules. Don’t they know we have freeze peaches?!
Yeah those people are some of the most sad and pathetic trolls imaginable.
I downvoted an AI post once and a mod banned me from multiple AI subs for being involved in “Vote manipulation”.
So was I, and I wasn’t even aware of it until I saw the original post in !fuck_ai@lemmy.world and decided to check myself. That idiot banned me too. They ban everyone who downvotes their posts and I don’t even remember what I downvoted or if I just made a comment about AI. Those mods are unhinged.
Seems fair enough to me. Why would a mod of a genAI community want people with a history of being anti-genAI in their community causing problems? And why would you even want to go visit that community in the first place, unless you wanted to cause problems. Imo this is a win-win situation. YDI.
I noticed I was banned from there too. I’m not even remotely anti ai.
You think it’s good for mods to ban anyone and everyone who downvotes to create an echo chamber where only those who fully support them are left?
It’s an art sharing community, not a debate forum.
So you do think people should be banned for not liking something and voting their opinion?
When it starts to become disruptive to the running of the community, and the enjoyment of the community users, then it’s entirely justified imo.
Downvoting posts because you specifically dislike them isn’t disruptive. I never went and downvoted the whole community, and no one else did. This grand conspiracy of brigading is just that, a conspiracy. People just hate AI slop. Deal with it.
If you pay attention to most normal people, they actually are infatuated with gen AI slop and it’s sort of cringe, I work at a large company and half of the people’s profile pictures on our communication application are gpt ghibleified images of themselves. Hating image generation is fairly common in these online circles, but overall the average population seems to like it.
Personally I would never refer to image generation as art, but image generation in itself is honestly a super cool and fascinating technology.
Must be nice to know everything.
Clearly the mod did deal with it, just not in the way you expected 😁
I think different communities can be run in different ways. And yes in some comms you’ll be banned for “voting your opinion”
It’s still PTB, you always think about whether or not you could but you don’t think about whether you should.
Aww bless, YDI.
I mean, sure whatever. You’re entitled to your opinion. But I’ll take the opportunity to say that you going back to the other thread and bellyaching multiple times that I wasn’t sufficiently respectful to you is hilarious.
Roses are Red, Violets are Blue
The mod’s PTB and so are you 😁
Eh I think this post is just attempting to keep the drama going now that the original died down.
Stick to judgement about the bans, don’t start rehashing and slap fights about genai here.
I’m not I was simply posting about what happened which is that the mod bans anyone who downvotes them or their community.
Mhm. Sure.
I think you’re a wee bit biased here.
My peep, the one you’re defending goes back and forth between threads posting replies to day old comments, trying to instigate more drama. Literally trolling in plain sight…
OPs account is one month old with three comments, probably the guys alt. Not that big of a stretch tbh.
