White House orders pause on all federal grants and loans, impacting trillions of dollars in aid. Impact on Social Security and Medicare benefits excluded.
We needed Democrats to run a campaign that could actually win. Defending their indefensible stances on issues like the border and Israel lost Democrats this election. You fucking gave this country to Trump, not the critics of Democrats.
True. You are 100% right. People want to blame non voters when the Dems ran with the explicit policy of fucking those people over. They say vote blue no matter who and they fucking lost. Welcome to the real solution. Go left or die.
Or rather, people continuously excused the rightward shift of Democrats, resulting in them thinking they dint need to be responsible to responding to their base, which they largely abandoned.
But sure, keep blaming the voters instead of those that held power and could have actually changed strategy.
We already had an answer for that, RCV and other FPTP alternatives were spreading just fine, all that had to happen was to keep Orange Face out of office last election and the Democrats would have fallen later. After Drump was in jail and MAGA imploded
But nooo, y’all fell for quite possibly a right-wing propaganda campaign and now we’re all paying for it
But we sure taught the DNC a lesson at those polls amiright!
You show the complete inability to understand why Democrats lost this election, and seem to be doing what it takes to keep it that way. There is an ilk who in the run-up, could not withstand any criticism of Democrats, in part or whole. The silenced any call for redress in the policies Democrats campaigned on or the strategies they were using. Democrats felt no pressure to shift towards policies more popular with the electorate and lost, expectedly.
It was obvious then that they were going to lose. But any criticism of their approach was told to STFU, that you were a Russian shill or bot, whatever. Had the, frankly, intentionally ignorant cowards, making these apologist arguments actually focused their criticisms against Democrats, we did have time to move them towards more popular positions in the run-up to the convention and the few weeks afterwards. Those who refused to hear or accept the valid criticisms levied against Democrats did more to support Trump than any other cohort. Blue MAGA, the sycophants and apologists of the Democratic party, handed this election to Trump on a silver platter and that won’t be forgotten. Their intentional naivety around how politics actually functions changes nothing.
Based on the election results, the “policies more popular with the electorate” were fascist ones. More Americans voted for fascism than didn’t.
Obviously not among Democrats. Votership among Democrats was massively down. It turns out you actually DO need to give something for people to vote for. “Orange Man Bad” doesn’t work as a campaign strategy when there are almost no substantive differences in policy between one party and the other. Hate it, but don’t deny the truth of the fact, that you actually have to get voters excited to show up and vote for your candidate.
Harris could have made her campaign about Medicare4All, and frankly, she would have won.
Harris could have identified the fact that Israel was engaging in a genocide and that she would not support that.
Harris could have done any number of things to break with a status quo that is functionally not working for people, and she chose not to. Her literal campaign argument was “more of the same”. She made the choice to proceed with a strategy, that, obvious to everyone as early as fucking January of last year, was not going to work. Biden and his policies were DEEEEEEEPLY unpopular. There were analytics on him back in March showing him having less than a snowballs chance in hell at winning the election, and it only got worse from there. And it was his policies; his governance. And instead of breaking with those polices and style of governance, Harris doubled, practically tripled down on them. And it was obvious and called out as a mistake at the time.
Blaming voters for your team losing is like blaming the rules of a game. Democrats fumbled the ball, massively, and want to blame the ref, or the court, or anyone but themselves. We could never fail, we can only be failed, is what will be written on the Democratic parties tombstone.
I would agree with you if they had mentioned people getting violent, but instead their tone is more like they hope something causes a change. They are not gleefully wishing for violence here imo
Hard to tell, I was pointing out the joking tone of it. Bcz civil unrest isn’t a joke, whether it’s warranted or not. It ends up being scary for a lot of people.
Fascists control the US federal government, and many state governments. There will be violence. The only questions are who starts it, when, how much, and who wins.
It’s coming, let’s get it over with so we can be done with this dark hour in history more quickly.
It’s a little frightening that you think there’s much chance it benefits anybody other than the fascists.
This isn’t the pre-revolutionary era where a large amount of people would effectively take up arms and pose a credible threat.
They have the mechanisms of government, they have the militias, they have the backing of a significant chunk of the populace, they have the most businessmen, they have their own locked down media ecosystem, etc etc.
We can look to N Korea and Russia and see that a population can indeed be stabilized under modern totalitarian rule, it just took some practice for humanity to learn how to pull it off. And you want to roll the dice on this now, here?
One extreme or the other, eh? It’s not between fight now or give up, there is a whole spectrum in between, that takes things like opportunity and timing into account.
I think there’s a term for that, when a person only represents the options as one of two extremes.
I’ll be sure to keep your “opportunity” and “timing” in mind while my friends are being deported and my siblings are being rounded up into trans camps.
“I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’"
Martin Luther King, Jr, Letter from a Birmingham Jail, April 1963
I can’t stand comments like this. You act like civil unrest won’t get people hurt, or maybe even killed.
Birthing pains, bro. Birthing pains.
Positive change doesn’t come without sacrifice.
If you wanna make an omelette, some people gotta die.
Easy to say that on the internet. I don’t see anybody picking up their pitch forks to stop this.
Maybe crack a history book sometime and check out how we got all the nice freedoms we have now 😂
The history books for this haven’t been written…
History tends to repeat itself. And clearly we haven’t learned any lessons, so it’s gonna repeat itself again.
German history 1933-1945.
We tried back in November, but too many people were screeching about BlUeMaGa, bOtHSiDeS and gEnoCiDe jOe
So it is what it is
Those folks pale in comparison to the Dems not bothering to say they’d change anything.
Trump: IM GOING TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY
Dems: We’re not going to do that and we’ll do A and B
You: WHAT ABOUT Z AND Y!!! FUCK YOU WE’LL GIVE THIS COUNTRY TO TRUMP000!!!
We needed Democrats to run a campaign that could actually win. Defending their indefensible stances on issues like the border and Israel lost Democrats this election. You fucking gave this country to Trump, not the critics of Democrats.
True. You are 100% right. People want to blame non voters when the Dems ran with the explicit policy of fucking those people over. They say vote blue no matter who and they fucking lost. Welcome to the real solution. Go left or die.
Or rather, people continuously excused the rightward shift of Democrats, resulting in them thinking they dint need to be responsible to responding to their base, which they largely abandoned.
But sure, keep blaming the voters instead of those that held power and could have actually changed strategy.
We already had an answer for that, RCV and other FPTP alternatives were spreading just fine, all that had to happen was to keep Orange Face out of office last election and the Democrats would have fallen later. After Drump was in jail and MAGA imploded
But nooo, y’all fell for quite possibly a right-wing propaganda campaign and now we’re all paying for it
But we sure taught the DNC a lesson at those polls amiright!
You show the complete inability to understand why Democrats lost this election, and seem to be doing what it takes to keep it that way. There is an ilk who in the run-up, could not withstand any criticism of Democrats, in part or whole. The silenced any call for redress in the policies Democrats campaigned on or the strategies they were using. Democrats felt no pressure to shift towards policies more popular with the electorate and lost, expectedly.
It was obvious then that they were going to lose. But any criticism of their approach was told to STFU, that you were a Russian shill or bot, whatever. Had the, frankly, intentionally ignorant cowards, making these apologist arguments actually focused their criticisms against Democrats, we did have time to move them towards more popular positions in the run-up to the convention and the few weeks afterwards. Those who refused to hear or accept the valid criticisms levied against Democrats did more to support Trump than any other cohort. Blue MAGA, the sycophants and apologists of the Democratic party, handed this election to Trump on a silver platter and that won’t be forgotten. Their intentional naivety around how politics actually functions changes nothing.
Based on the election results, the “policies more popular with the electorate” were fascist ones. More Americans voted for fascism than didn’t.
How could Democrats do this???
Obviously not among Democrats. Votership among Democrats was massively down. It turns out you actually DO need to give something for people to vote for. “Orange Man Bad” doesn’t work as a campaign strategy when there are almost no substantive differences in policy between one party and the other. Hate it, but don’t deny the truth of the fact, that you actually have to get voters excited to show up and vote for your candidate.
Harris could have made her campaign about Medicare4All, and frankly, she would have won.
Harris could have identified the fact that Israel was engaging in a genocide and that she would not support that.
Harris could have done any number of things to break with a status quo that is functionally not working for people, and she chose not to. Her literal campaign argument was “more of the same”. She made the choice to proceed with a strategy, that, obvious to everyone as early as fucking January of last year, was not going to work. Biden and his policies were DEEEEEEEPLY unpopular. There were analytics on him back in March showing him having less than a snowballs chance in hell at winning the election, and it only got worse from there. And it was his policies; his governance. And instead of breaking with those polices and style of governance, Harris doubled, practically tripled down on them. And it was obvious and called out as a mistake at the time.
Blaming voters for your team losing is like blaming the rules of a game. Democrats fumbled the ball, massively, and want to blame the ref, or the court, or anyone but themselves. We could never fail, we can only be failed, is what will be written on the Democratic parties tombstone.
Uh… have you been living under a rock? There have been multiple assassination attempts recently, one successful.
One successful? What are you talking about, the shooter in the first one ended up dead.
They didn’t even catch him:
Fair i guess. I assumed you were talking about the president.
Removed by mod
Rights are written in blood.
I can’t stand comments like this. You act like people aren’t going to be hurt and die without civil unrest.
I would agree with you if they had mentioned people getting violent, but instead their tone is more like they hope something causes a change. They are not gleefully wishing for violence here imo
Hard to tell, I was pointing out the joking tone of it. Bcz civil unrest isn’t a joke, whether it’s warranted or not. It ends up being scary for a lot of people.
We are well past the point of shit being scary for a lot of people.
Agreed. I took it as gallows humor. But who knows. We are fucked right now.
Since you’re wondering aloud –
Fascists control the US federal government, and many state governments. There will be violence. The only questions are who starts it, when, how much, and who wins.
It’s coming, let’s get it over with so we can be done with this dark hour in history more quickly.
It’s a little frightening that you think there’s much chance it benefits anybody other than the fascists.
This isn’t the pre-revolutionary era where a large amount of people would effectively take up arms and pose a credible threat.
They have the mechanisms of government, they have the militias, they have the backing of a significant chunk of the populace, they have the most businessmen, they have their own locked down media ecosystem, etc etc.
We can look to N Korea and Russia and see that a population can indeed be stabilized under modern totalitarian rule, it just took some practice for humanity to learn how to pull it off. And you want to roll the dice on this now, here?
edit to add a word
Lay down and give up if you want to.
One extreme or the other, eh? It’s not between fight now or give up, there is a whole spectrum in between, that takes things like opportunity and timing into account.
I think there’s a term for that, when a person only represents the options as one of two extremes.
I’ll be sure to keep your “opportunity” and “timing” in mind while my friends are being deported and my siblings are being rounded up into trans camps.
I understand where you might have gotten that idea. I’ll clarify.
We’re waiting for a shoe to drop. While it won’t be good when that shoe drops, there will still be a certain sense of relief when it does.
Getting back to what started this thread:
Which one of the actions of this president will finally be the one to get the public to turn against fascism? This one? Please? Don’t tease me.