These folks don’t deserve sympathy when karma comes knocking, they are akin to mass murderers. The media can fuck right off
That’s not an opinion. It literally is a human right.
https://harvardpublichealth.org/equity/health-care-is-a-human-right/
My opinion: correct, I agree
Objective reality: rights are essentially made up opinions you can make a good argument for
Rights are things that the majority of the populace believes, to be true sentiments, but usually is blocked by bureaucracy that profits off the lack thereof.
That would make sense for this case, but what about the right to freedom from enslavement? Most of America did not agree with that for a while. I would argue it was still a right. What about gay marriage? Majority of Americans disagreed with it until recently. And I’m not sure that one was ever about money.
I think the majority argument is skewed for alot of those due to the nature of our journalism and reporting through US history. I don’t think that a majority of people viewed gay marriage for example as something that should be outlawed, but it was something unfamiliar and they didn’t have enough points of reference in their life to base their argument off of. As it became more mainstream, people just kind of went ‘whatever’, the radicals (religious) get the spotlight from the media but I grew up in a hyper conservative household, and even we were fine with and had friends who were gay. My roommate in college was gay and the only person who had anything off to say was my grandmother who grew up in the 50s+60s.
I think i should shift my statement to say “rights are things that the majority of the people believe to be true, only if it affects a large enough amount of the people”
I was mainly just getting at how we make up rights as we go. I have heard of few things that gain steam as a “right” which I disagree with myself, but I was just trying to illustrate that a right isn’t a “fact”. Which it appears you get. Opinions about them change over time. I might be older than you, because most people I ever talked to about gay marriage 1996-2005 thought it shouldn’t be legal. And no it wasn’t just my friends or local folks. That attitude was fairly popular. Go back 100 years and most people probably preferred the death penalty for gay people.
The main point is that rights are never guaranteed because they’re rarely unanimously agreed upon.
A better way to communicate this imo is to say Healthcare should under no circumstances be a capitalist market driven (or influenced) commodity. Ever. In any way, shape or form.
Saying it’s a human right (although I agree 100%) gives conservatives a talking point because, “iT cOsTs MoNeY aNd ReSoUrCeS!”
It’s not a market driven commodity. Full stop. Nobody has a desire for cancer treatments or radiation therapy. Nobody has a desire to shop around for competitor pricing when they break their leg.
We need full socialized healthcare. No millionaires, no CEOs, no board of directors, no investors making millions. Just well paid doctors, nurses and support staff, with intelligent people making necessary decisions, not decisions for shareholders or profits.
Literally a human right in every modern country
Except one
now if you apply the same logic to food, shelter, education, and the other necessities of basic life, you’ll see why socialists exist, and understand why all wage labor under capitalism is a form of slavery
Healthcare is only available due to our advanced nature as a society. It shouldn’t be considered a human right, it takes resources, education, and effort to achieve. It isn’t necessary, though as an advanced civilization we should make an effort to keep everyone as healthy as possible; it benefits our society directly.
Safety, Freedom from harm, Freedom of expression, The right to pursue an education, all great human rights.
Insurance, or companies who hedge bets against you - collecting, and then fighting to pay out – that should be HEAVILY regulated like the gambling industry. Sure, the odds are stacked against you - but Insurance companies should be REQUIRED BY LAW to follow doctors recommendations, whichever doctor you choose.
All the human rights you mentioned require resources and education.
It is a human right
Found the person that materially prospers from the medical industry!
Don’t work for, never have worked for, and family has never worked in any capacity for the medical industry whatsoever. Not medically adjacent, or connected with the medical industry in any way. I’m simply a pragmatist. Did you read anything I wrote or did you just react to the “It shouldn’t be considered a human right” without any regard for the rest of the context?
Should you be forced to work in order to provide care to someone because they have a “human right” to healthcare? Which human right prevails there? The other persons right to healthcare, or your right not to be enslaved? How do you propose ensuring that everyone; all 8 billion people on earth, obtain that healthcare without forcing everyone into servitude?
There aren’t enough doctors, medical professionals, or infrastructure to support healthcare as a human right. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive toward it, but it shouldn’t be labeled as such.
I can see why this place’s followers are called Lemmings.
Cry harder
Ah, truly a masterstroke of wit. ‘Cry harder’—so concise, so devastating. I can only stand in awe of your rhetorical prowess. You’ve bested me completely; I yield to your unparalleled intellect.
As seems your custom, lotta useless verbiage.
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forcing everyone into servitude
TLDR
You aren’t proving me wrong. Only rich medical professionals use that exact phrasing/talking point.
Only a garbage human that intentionally chose the medical industry to rape helpless people financially would characterize working humane hours, literally saving lives in exchange for decent pay, “forced servitude”.
Maybe you should follow that logic by asking why there aren’t enough doctors, medical professionals of infrastructure.
I hope you get Adjusted
Imagine thinking you’re sane or reasonable with this take.
Imagine coming onto an anarchist community and thinking you cooked with this take
haha, an “anarchist” who wants universal human-rights healthcare. That’s a hot take.
if you had even a hint of knowledge about anarchism then you would know that it is not the same as the absence of organisation or structure.
So you’re a libertarian and not an anarchist, haha
You may want to learn a little bit more of the history behind anarchism. Because you’re wrong. Many facets of anarchism are exactly that.
This might come as a shock to you, but anarchism is a branch of libertarianism
Really? Since you’re the expert on anarchism, what anarchist theory have you read? How about historical examples to prove your point? Literally anything.
it takes resources, education, and effort to achieve
Yeah. Duh. So fucking what?
Freckly, you entire argument reeks of cowardice.
Oh, and btw - healthcare as a right does not, in fact, prop up private health insurance. Dork. Like, literally the most logical path to healthcare as a right would be a single payer system. Which would abolish the companies gambling on my health.
