Trying to poison the right wing against someone who stood up for them and for all of us. And the sick thing is that it will work.
I went to r/conservative on Reddit just for fun and some of them are already flip flopping. Most are getting down voted to hell, but it was noticeable. But at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if it was bots trying to turn everyone against each other, as is tradition.
Most are waiting for marching orders from dear leader.
They will get them and fall in line for sure, but it does seem to take a bit longer than usually.
Think tanks go brrr
The elderly at my job all are rallied against the guy. Been trying to explain to them regardless of how they feel it’s a lens into the public opinion.
Watching the media machines gears turn with this one are especially transparent.
If it is him, getting caught threw a wrench in the meaning of his actions. Before he got caught, the only news was about how evil the execs are. Now it’s all about him.
Another reason we know it’s not him
It’s strong, reasonable doubt
Of course it will work. They are objectively terrible people that will openly celebrate any pain done to anyone, including themselves, if they just get to add one more ounce of hate to the world.
After the headline-grabbing execution, questionable portions of the internet immediately began thirsting over images of the alleged killer while denouncing the corporate greed showcased by UnitedHealthcare and its peers.
Lol questionable.
Former Fox News host Megyn Kelly similarly slammed Mangione’s declaration on X writing, “His ‘lived experience’ is about to be punctuated by 3 squares a day and a fear of showering.”
Fuck you.
…with far-right political activist and former political correspondent for One America News Network Jack Posobiec writing on X: “There’s a reason the left supports murderers who shoot businessmen in the street.
“It’s a feature not a bug.”
You make it a feature.
After news on Mangione’s arrest came to light on Monday, Fox host Jesse Watters weighed in on the 26-year-old’s potential future in prison, claiming that he’s “not ready” and that he’s “gonna get annihilated.”
“I don’t think anyone’s ready [to go to prison],” Watters said on The Five. “This guy’s not ready. He’s way too soft. He’s gonna get annihilated on the inside, and good.”
“If he’s not gonna get the death penalty, maybe someone will do him justice behind bars,” he added. “That’s all I have to say about that.”
You get a fuck you too.
Remember the cardinal rule of the right!
rape good, murder bad!
Of course.
Unless one is murdering an unhoused man of colour causing a disturbance. Of course.
“Well the only thing he did wrong was not rape the man while he was passed out before squeezing the last bit of life out of him”
Murdering miscarrying women by refusing them medical treatment is definitely a-okay. Supply-side Jesus loves that kind of murder.
rape good, murder bad!
Well, unless someone they don’t like is murdered in prison, because that’s just justice…
Well yes imprisoned people lose their rights (to live, most of all!) and humanity, and don’t count!
That’s why we forgive people like Republican leaders and campaign leaders for their crimes because they’re MORE human than us!
The left supports killing businessman in the streets.
The right supports killing babies in their cots.
and kids in their classrooms.
If the public reaction to his gets one potential school shooter to rethink their plans and instead shoot a single CEO, that’s a net gain. Bonus points if they start talking about gun control and Democrats reply with “it’s too soon to talk about that, thoughts and prayers. Maybe install litter boxes in board rooms?”
Maybe install litter boxes in board rooms?
“CROOKED LEFT FORCING CEOS TO BEND KNEE TO CATBOIS”
Sorry for making y’all horny at the prospect
Jesus, I didn’t plan on reading and just these quotes alone get me. Fuck those people so hard.
“His ‘lived experience’ is about to be punctuated by 3 squares a day and a fear of showering.
It’s interesting how many still casually “joke” about prison rape in this country. At least when it comes to male rape.
If he’s not gonna get the death penalty, maybe someone will do him justice behind bars
This kind of pairs with the rape stuff. There are an awful lot of very gross people that wish for rape AND murder to happen in prison. The idea of our system supposedly being about corrections is a complete farce as long as so many people like that are among us…
They are reflecting on the level of damage they’ve caused to society and it’s clearly terrifying to them that using liberals as the scapegoat isn’t always gonna cut it.
All the Maga voters I know have been pretty supportive of the killer, despite the irony that they voted for privatized healthcare.
They haven’t been told what to think yet. That’s what’s happening now.
I hope that the blatant push from the media will backfire and get the average right winger to abandon their favorite news sources.
Wait until their demigod speaks on the matter…
They fear “Government death panels”. I wonder how they rationalize a “for profit, private death panel” being any better.
Socialism
My favorite is “communist socialism”.
My favorite is when people talk about communist Russia (a capitalist oligarchy) or china (a capitalist…authoritarian state?).
For the life of me, I can’t understand how people think Russia is communist. Like, at least the PRC is nominally communist and describes itself as a communist state (even if it’s not really doing communism).
But Russia? The USSR was dissolved decades ago. The Russian Federation never claimed to be communist. Are these people just stuck in the Cold War?
You’re overthinking it. It’s just a synonym for “Russian”, or maybe “enemy”.
Shaka, when the walls fell
I tend to forget the impact of 7 decades of rabid anti-socialism propaganda Americans have been bombarded with. They are not going to think “Sweden” but “Stalinist USSR instead”.
It doesn’t matters who it benefits, it’s the naughty word so it’s bad. Keep voting for the leopards.
Under a private system, at least they get to choose which death panel denies their care.
And by “choose” we mean their *employer *chooses.
Because freedom.
Watter’s assertion that:
"He’s gonna get annihilated on the inside, and good.”
Is probably bullshit. To have the balls to walk up and ice the 21st century version of a vampire will be huge in prison. They hate corporate America just as much as we do.
Exactly, his actions are being received positively among the people who have been burned by society, which would have more representation in prison.
They frown upon murdering children and shit like that, he is probably gonna get lots of high fives.
This guy is gonna be protected on the inside if he makes it there
I don’t think it is outside the realm of possibility that corporate interests would find a way to get another prisoner/guard to kill him. I doubt it would even be that difficult for them. They have so much to offer to a group of people who have been deprived of most things. solidarity to a cause only goes so far when your life is just suffering.
They absolutely have a vested interest in demonstrating to the public that people who kill members of their class will face terrible repercussions.
Of course they would. They will be the “CEO’s” for the next couple years. Gotta squash it before it grows.
May their incompetency be their undoing
In general, with them it’s less that they believe they’ll be CEOs, and more that because of their belief in hierarchy, they believe that anyone in power deserves to be there and should be respected. Just how they believe that women and BIPOC belong below them on the ladder, in their “proper” place (yes even the women believe that, internalized misogyny is a bitch)
This guy seemed a little iffy in his background - I would think quite a few of the right are celebrating this guy. It would make sense the elitists are trying to pacify that bunch, and try to paint this guy as some kind of leftist, though…they probably don’t want the base that has been groomed for violence to suddenly get ideas about a mass movement of vigilantes like this guy stalking and killing the billionaire class.
MAGA worship their billionaire overlords. And private Healthcare. Because the socialized programs many of them benefit from are from the devil.
Which makes absolutely no sense considering the fact that Red States are widely more dependant on government assistance than Blue States.
They cannot stand the idea that people they hate might benefit, too.
I bet if they could find some way of justification via other means, for instance, over arguments of “socialism” vs. “capitalism”, they would find ways to make sure POC, liberals, women, gays, etc., do not benefit from the current system as well.
Of course, they really pine for someone - maybe donvict - that will let them do it out in the open, w/o the facade of “socialism” vs. “capitalism”.
Yeah … That’d be terrible.
Honestly, I think about the only outcome would be that the C-suites, the billionaire class and their apparatchiks just step up security. It’s not like murdering a handful of C-suite types or even their billionaire overlords will change anything. They’ll just swap in a new person that is just as willing to fuck everyone over. The billionaire overlords will just pass that money on to their foundation/offspring.
I think elmo already has a lot of security, yes? And remember how much he whined and threatened the guy that was just posting public data about elmo’s jet location?
Snowflakes lol
MAGA pitches a fit every day of the week that ends in y.
I think donvict supporters can be expected to pitching a fit over a lot of things, if the 2016 result was any indication. They got even more angry after their “win”.
I think nothing will make that type happy, TBH, but I think what really got to them was that not everyone started treating them like they were special or something. If anything, people treated them even worse - tried to avoid them, cut them out of their lives, etc…
Very true. They won the election and they’re still bitching and complaint about anything and everything.
it probably chaps Trump’s ass that this has gotten so much more attention than his assassination attempt
Attempts are boring. If he really wanted attention he should have committed.
I don’t give a shit.
People like Megyn Kelly and Nancy Mace have always been a voice supporting the 1% and .01%. Obviously they will rally in support of the people that make it possible for them to get healthcare and earn a comfortable living.
MAGA? Luigi is a right winger
I haven’t read his manifesto or anything but he seemed pretty much against fossil fuels and insurance companies, what are we basing his political association on?
It’s complicated. His politics doesn’t seem to fit neatly in any box. If you wanted to pick out facts to paint him as too right wing for the right wing, you can do it. If you wanted to pick out other facts to paint him as the new coming of Weather Underground, you could do that, too. He’s also at a time in his life where your politics can shift around a lot, so posts from just a few years ago may not reflect where he is now.
I can say one thing with certainty: he hates people who are worth hating.
So no.
No right winger is going out and following AOC or saying the stuff he did in his manifesto.
At worst he was a bit of a tech bro. Honestly he sounds like a shitlib that finally got radicalised into a leftist.
Or maybe he just didn’t give a shit about any of that and was just really pissed off at health insurance companies, felt that all representation had failed us, and the only solution left was violence
But people will read an article that has barely any info and jump to wild conclusions based on pure speculation to categorize him on one of the “teams” rather than assume he is one of the vast amount of politically apathetic individuals that make up america.
so tons of the right wing will move to paint him as a leftist, because it’s simple with the lack of info available and the current rhetoric surrounding the event, because it is advantageous to them. the left wing will move to distance themselves because there is info available that casts doubt on his being a leftist and again it is advantageous for them to distance.
And while both spend time shitflinging away responsibility for this person, who never claimed either side, it will deflect from discussing the very real issue he exposed with his act: the health care system in this country is so fucked up that when it drives someone to murder an executive a huge amount of people cheer them on
As a leftist I’m not moving to distance my self from him whatsoever. That sounds more like a shitlib thing tbh.
Seriously, if I was a decade younger, a wee bit more well off, and less tied down by family, I could absolutely see myself doing what he did, especially pushed with back pain.
That said, if the FBI is reading this post because I did do something, no I didn’t, you didn’t hear nothin’ from me.
On whatever time a crime may have been committed, I would like to say that @taiyang@lemmy.world was with me in person and doing nothing illegal.
His twitter reposted a right wing Billionaire, the one that paid to have Hulk Hogan go on stage and ask people to vote for Donald Trump. He’s also made a lot of statements about the Unabomber and been anti-immigration in the past.
Maybe instead of assigning him to a group we should all agree he wasn’t of calm or consistent mind.
Did you watch the video? It’s like a 20 second clip of the guy saying lots of tech people are neurodiverse and thus don’t allow their dreams to be crushed. It’s simplistic bullshit, but resharing it seems pretty centrist as it’s not rwnj content.
And fuck no? I consider this man one of the most sane, and he calmly planned and worked hard to achieve a noble goal.
In particular, he really emphasized remorse about any collateral damage and took significant steps to minimize it. His statement about the unibomber was essentially “Good motive but horrible execution that hurt a lot of innocents”
In his attack there was a nearby bystander who saw literally everything and he neither harmed her nor appeared to threaten her in any direct manner. He moved to pass her so she could flee.
I still think murder=bad but he took real steps to make sure the only damage from his actions was on the CEO and himself.
I realize I’m nitpicking, but if Charles Koch made a nice informative tweet about some random benign shit like first-aid I wouldn’t suddenly be spreading to the world the message of Charles Koch. I wouldn’t actively promote the enemy of us all.
And also they shouldn’t be making generalizing stereotypes like that in the first place.
Oh man, bro was reposting Peter Thiel lmao. You’re correct, Phoneymouse, good link.
A part of me envies him for still being able to appreciate Hulk Hogan despite how awful a person he is.
He was a right winger 2 years ago, he retreated from social media etc for a long while, so it might not even reflect his current views.
And if it does? Well, then he’d be a right winger and would have done more for class struggle than I ever did, and most likely ever will. Still very much worthy of respect, even as I’d disagree with most of his views.
Even if he is, the right wing noise machine is trying to get out ahead of this. They don’t want their base which is very prone to violence getting any ideas about who is really actively harming them (and it isn’t POC, it isn’t trans, it’s not the left, it’s not women…).
What bearing does this have to the article?
