I see all the memes about guillotines for the rich, funny in spirit, but actually building one in the town square is not practical. They take a ton of materials, they are huge, and they do not even work reliably. Would it not make more sense to build one from metal with hydraulic pistons or something? I am not a machinist, but a more mobile unit you could wheel into a square to decapitate a few effigies seems about as effective for sending a message, and easier to remove or relocate if needed.

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    If it’s about sending a message, then the item itself is the conveyor of the message, not an unrecognizable but more efficient substitute. The guillotine is a recognisable symbol of people rising up and seizing power from the criminal ruling class. It is a warning and a threat.

    If you plan on actually executing people, then sure - optimize all you want, or just go with a bullet to the brain.

    But as a symbol, the guillotine is powerful.

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      Let’s not encourage the troll. Sure there are certain people that it won’t hurt my feelings at all if they suddenly stop living, but at the same time I don’t agree with the death penalty, I think that just makes the executioner just as evil, if not moreso, than the person getting their head lopped off.

      Death no good yo.

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        That’s a nice sentiment. But an unrealistic one. Be the bigger man riding his high horse down the high road after we win. These people kill us every day. With the police. Via social murder. Deaths of despair. Poiaon food and water. All their fault. An intentional policy choice.

        If we have to kill them to win. Then they gotta go.

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          Makes about as much sense as fucking for virginity or killing for peace. I’m not buying either of those ideas.

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            It must be nice, living in a fantasy world where good people win because they’re good and the bad guys get to sit in jail for being bad.

            I would love it if we lived in an ideal world where everyone plays by the rules.

            I am not naive enough to think we live in that world.

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              Meh, I’ve been threatened multiple times by crazy people, even cops.

              I’ve found that staying chill and just walking away from crazies has successfully prevented me from getting a bullet to the head.

              Two wrongs never make a right. Kill them with calm kindness. Just walk away, don’t contribute to the violence.

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                  I’ve seen discussions about the future of automation where people speculate “what will rich people do with the general population when they’re no longer necessary to keep industry running for them?”

                  Opening up the “let’s just kill the people we don’t like and don’t want as part of society” box seems like a bad idea in a context like that.

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                  I’m not turning a blind eye to reality at all. I totally get it, life itself is a risk.

                  I’m 43 years old, and have enough common sense to not agitate crazy people. I’ve had my share of crazy experiences to know, that being chill is way better and safer than sinking to their level of violence.

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                I’ve been threatened multiple times by crazy people

                That’s a totally different situation. They’re past threatening. They’ve already started the violence. The president raped children and his followers are throwing people into concentration camps. And your solution is “just walk away”? What the fuck is wrong with you.

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        I’m against the death penalty because I don’t believe it should be necessary in a just world, nor should the state ever be trusted with that kind of power.

        However, I see the guillotine as symbolizing the last resort in an unjust world. The worst monsters in society commit their injustices in broad daylight, and nothing will be done about it. We know that justice will never be served through the courts. So what then?

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          Other options are available besides death. Like, lock the 34x felon up in prison, like they should have already done…

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              Interesting.

              I say they should have locked him up, I get downvoted.

              You agree, he should have been locked up, you get upvoted.

              I don’t give a fuck about the actual vote count, that doesn’t matter. But the differential of votes for two people that expressed the same opinion, the fucker should have been locked up, well that dumbfounds me.

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                You’re getting downvoted because you’re saying we should do something that clearly will never be done. He ain’t been locked up yet despite a laundry list of crimes and convictions.

                When justice becomes a joke, people will eventually take it into their own hands, for better or worse.

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                  And by all means, if that’s what needs to be done, I already said it won’t hurt my feelings. I just choose not to participate in such a way. My late father was a weapons engineer, amongst other skills and trades. I shot myself in the arm when I was only 3.

                  So I choose to be a non-violent person, because I know what it’s like to be shot. Life ain’t a game, nor should it be treated as such. We should all be here trying to help each other, not this bullshit we got going on today…

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                It’s cause yours comes off as more optimistic whereas the other comes off as more realistic. Like, as a recent example, Diddy should have gotten a life sentence or even at least 20 years in prison, but he only got 4 and at most he might serve like 1-2. Seeking justice through the proper channels in this world doesn’t work and won’t work till we destroy everything and rebuild even if the road to get there is paved in blood.

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                  And I choose to not participate in a world of violence (save for self defense or defense of my family or friends). I’d rather be helpful than harmful, like I’d rather carry groceries upstairs for elderly people rather than looking for a reason to shoot someone because they talk with a weird accent.

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                Did you miss the part where I’m pointing out the fact that it won’t happen? I’m not agreeing with you, I’m making a point.

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        Troll is a matter of perspective and in this situation you are the troll so what were you saying again

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          I reject the idea of beheading, and somehow I’m the bad guy?

          Well you have a nice day too, and accept that you’re cool with people getting their heads chopped off.

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    Ugh? Guillotines are very reliable actually. And it’s not that expensive, everything is wood except the large blade. Also, you can’t fake an execution, the crowd will be satisfied when they see the head

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    I like your approach here of making a clearly wrong statement just to get more activity on this important topic

    I will add yet another comment that guillotines are neither complicated nor require much material. you could make a sturdy one with less than a dozen 2x4s, some screws, a scrap piece of rope, and whatever junk metal you have lying around that’s around 24x8 (which you need regardless of how fancy the frame itself is)

    that said, mobile ones seem like they would also have a purpose

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    You can make them modular, with telescoping rails, for portability. The blade needs to be weighted, but the weight can consist of a stack of weights, like on gym equipment. In fact, you could probably repurpose a bench press machine into a guillotine with a few minor modifications.

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    Use a log splitter with a different blade, higher capacity valance and an accumulator for faster action. Strengthen the frame and maybe add a dampener for the end of stroke so things last longer. Reloading ca be controlled by smaller hoses.

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      Don’t log splitters work incredibly slow?

      That’s not really gonna chop people’s heads off, rather it would inexorably pinch their necks until their head falls off.

      That’s pretty fucking gruesome.

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        If we’re going for gruesome, how about we build a huge version of one of those slicers that they feed vegetables in, and just feed the oligarchs into it.

        Gives you the option to feed them head first if you want to show mercy, while still being able to feed them in feet first for someone like Musk.

        Then they are cut up into small, easy to compost pieces.

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          If your execution equipment is wearing out from overuse then that raises further questions that a society should probably think about.

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            well I don’t know how many uses it takes to wear out a decent guillotine, from my part it could be good if it can do 5 turns. no idea

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        “Last longer” was referring to the machine life not the execution. The accumulator is there to make it painless.

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    Nobody is wanting to build a guillotine. it’s simply a symbolic reference to the French Revolution.

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      Exactly. It’s like when people joke “eat the rich”. Zero desire for cannibalism, but 100% desire for the rich to be removed from the earth.

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            I don’t know. I hear the rich are full of toxins and heavy metals.

            Compost is usually used to feed vegetables, so I don’t think I would want that particular solution.

            I would say it might be better to macerate and dehydrate the rich and then use the resultant rich jerky as part of a carbon barrier for depleted uranium and other hazardous radioactive wastes.

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            If we’re being actually realistic I think it’s “tax the rich so that they are no longer so extremely rich, and use the resulting funds to benefit the general population.”

            There’s no need for killing.

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        I have a desire for cannibalism. I’ve heard human meat can be pretty tasty when cooked and seasoned just right.