No. We are not. And this doesn’t even play to the worst of the MAGA base: Trump brought this on himself by projecting pedophilia and pedophiles in power as something that, if elected, he was going to uncover.
In other, simpler words, decent folk everywhere are ALL upset about it, including those who voted for the pedo-in-chief.
What you just said wasn’t anti-American, though I’m sure you think it works that way. It’s really just anti-decency, in the exact same way Trump’s own slurs tend to be. “They’re eating the dogs.” “Americans are fine with raping children.”
See how that works? It’s the exact same noise, to the exact same end.
And to prove it further you encourage mobs. We don’t need mobs. We have Minneapolis and Minnesota beating ICE back every day, with a courage that you can’t even credit, in a way that has brought the world’s attention to the extreme wrongs being done there.
Look more closely at the Epstein files – it is the community you are fouling with your propaganda, after all – and notice what the Epstein files all have in common: the rich and powerful, across every border. This particular thread is highlighting Sultan Bin Sulayem, but you’re skipping right over that to whine about what Americans aren’t doing for you and trot out the exact same kind of nationalist slur you claim to be against.
Pick a side, but you’re not against the Epstein class: you sound exactly like them.
What’s the child rapist president’s approval rating right now? 42%. He’s a child rapist, murderer, liar, criminal and pants shitter and his approval rating is 43 fucking percent. So saying 30% was generous.
Pedophilia was not on the ballot, so votes alone don’t prove your claim. But you go ahead. Any source.
Do it for the survivors who are also reading your vile claim. Or maybe you think Haley Robson is also fine with raping children, since she is both a Trump voter and an Epstein survivor, and she’s not alone. Or maybe MTG, who is in fact a screaming howler monkey as well as a sexual assault survivor, but without whom none of us would now be seeing any of these files. And so forth. The list is long.
Go ahead. Prove your “30% of America is fine with raping children.”
Trump is a child rapist. He was elected twice to the presidency. His current approval rating is 42%, after everything he’s done. How do you reconcile his continued support despite his child raping, if not as approval of his actions? He raped children and Americans still support him as president, 42% of Americans. That looks to me like 42% of Americans are fine with child rape.
Where is your evidence that shows more than 70% of Americans disapprove of a child raping president? How are these two things reconciled if Americans don’t approve but are also shown to approve?
It is, of course, absolutely true that the vast majority of US citizens are decent people. However, they are represented by an unscrupulous criminal regime whose misdeeds do not even stop at protecting the obviously numerous child abusers in the ranks of the mafia-like organization that constitutes the administration - far from it.
You have to understand that the world is furious and also holds US citizens responsible, because after all, it is their elected representatives who are obviously guilty of the most heinous crimes and get away with all of this completely unpunished, even though it is perfectly obvious what monsters they are.
This is attributable to the frustration that it is not only US citizens who suffer from the criminal syndicate that the US regime represents and which, in the person of the orange rapist at its head, even openly displays it’s disgusting grimace of absolute malice these days. The fact is that other countries also suffer from their crimes. However, people in other countries can do nothing about it except turn away from the US in disgust.
It is, of course, sad how unreflective this sometimes is, but it is simply the logical consequence of the actions of the US regime.
I fear that as long as decent people in the US do not organize themselves and finally hold the criminals at the top of their system accountable, US citizens will have to accept the accusation that they are allowing the most heinous of all crimes to happen.
If they do not act themselves, it will always continue this way, because the Epstein case shows that neither politicians, nor the legal system, nor law enforcement agencies can be expected to hold those responsible to account - on the contrary: the entire system is obviously so infiltrated that it serves unscrupulous criminals rather than citizens.
This should be clear to everyone by now - and that is what comments like the one above are aiming at: for the rest of the world, at least the democratic part, it is simply incomprehensible that more than 300 million Americans are apparently unable to finally rise up against the tyranny of the so-called US elite, who are actually the exact opposite: they are the scum of the US population, who have attained positions of power through a system that depends on greed, unscrupulousness, and inhuman selfishness for success.
It is really time to put a stop to these people and fundamentally dismantle the system they have created to enable their crimes in the first place.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply; I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. But throwing out obviously slanderous falsehoods about “30% of Americans are fine with raping children” isn’t the winning posture some apparently think it is. They seem to think all that is know today was known in November 2024, and it was not, especially not to his followers.
I have added in another comment how sexual assault survivors crossed the aisle to pass EFTA, without which no one would be seeing the files now. Some of Epstein’s survivors are themselves Trump voters: they voted for him because they believed the lies he would do something about it. To assert that they too are “fine with raping children” as children that were raped themselves is dishonorable and beyond revolting, but even when pointed out there are folks still saying it, like doubling down on it will make it more defensible.
And to do so in a community that is built around discussing real crimes against real people, some of whom are here, and for whom there is already a trigger warning in the sidebar, is conscienceless and vile.
Someone else here asked me what I was defending, as though all this comes down to an election choice based on today’s wisdom for yesterday’s ballot and that’s all that should matter to me. I answered them.
Perhaps that reply will help you understand better as well.
To be clear, I don’t give a shit who voted for or against Trump at this point. He’s there. I’m doing my part (in ways I will not discuss online) and I assume others are as well. That’s not for anyone else to question, especially if they’re not even here. In the meantime, do not take real survivors’ pain and torment and use it as a dishonest label and emotive cudgel with which to make cheap ass political points out of a suffering non-survivors cannot possibly understand. That is reprehensible, regardless of where you or anyone else stands on the political spectrum.
Yes, I agree with you: inaccurate generalizations don’t help anyone, and insults even less so - quite the contrary. That’s exactly the kind of mindless nonsense that has helped demagogues like Drump succeed. It only serves to distract attention from the real culprits.
The only thing I wanted to say with my comment is that I can halfway understand why people are frustrated and allow themselves to be led to make such bogus statements. I think you’re absolutely right that it makes much more sense to look forward rather than backward, to put an end to political infighting and to join forces to fight the real enemies, because they are essentially the ones who benefit from discord - it’s their strategy.
The GOP’s approach is a good example of this: since the Tea Party movement under Sarah Palin and then MAGA, this party has developed into an anti-democratic juggernaut: instead of discussion and compromise, it now insists solely on its inhumane hardliner positions, slander, disinformation, etc. - not talking to each other rationally, but merely spreading hatred and hostility.
Unfortunately, this model has also been adopted by right-wing extremist parties in my home country, and they too are unfortunately very successful with it.
Democracy simply cannot function this way, because it requires the exchange of rational arguments and a willingness to cooperate for the benefit of all. With hatred and slander, on the other hand, it is impossible to shape democratic processes for the good of all.
Therefore, baseless accusations and insults are extremely counterproductive.
It is much worse than that. It is a direct form of horizontal hostility, and specifically designed to prevent people from confronting the real enemy:
Horizontal Hostility. Having failed to fight against those in power, people take out their anger and frustrations on each other. It is a lot easier to fight the person sitting next to you than someone in a distant house of parliament or corporate headquarters. And if victory continues to elude them, it’s because their would-be allies are reactionaries, or vanguardists, or dangerous anarchists and vandals. People who are willing to fight back often have more fiery and combative personalities, so such conflict is easy to provoke.
The term “horizontal hostility” was coined by Black intersectionalist feminist and civil rights organizer Florynce Kennedy; she called it “misdirected anger that rightly should be focused on the external causes of oppression.”
Ann Hansen explained to me that this phenomenon is so destructive that intelligence agencies “like CSIS and the RCMP don’t have to spend one cent in our communities, because people spend all their time attacking each other over the little things instead of talking about strategy.”
Michael Albert, writing about what happens to people who encounter a movement for the first time, asks: “Does this person merge into a growing community of people, feel more secure and appreciated, feel a growing sense of personal worth and of contribution to something valuable, and enjoy a sense of accomplishment? . . . Or does this person meet a lot of other people who continually question her motives and behavior, making her feel insecure and constantly criticized?”
So even though I deeply appreciate your position for myself, while you are busy lending these folks your gentle understanding, I will offer my congratulations on the own-goal to all the people taking cheap and dishonest shots at Americans who care enough to address it and fix it, survivors included, because we’re the only ones who can.
what are you talking about? If I told you Candidate A and candidate B are running. Oh, B is a pedophile BTW, you’re acting like a proper response would be “Yeah but is that an election issue?”
If you’re ok voting for the pedophile then you’re… ok voting for a pedophile. the fuck are you defending here anyway?
Two things. Many people who got conned into voting for Trump did so because they thought shit like Pizzagate was real, that he would come in and empty the pedophile swamp, etc. These are people that live in a bubble anyway, and are only just now figuring out that not only is he not going to drain the fucking swamp, he IS the swamp. But that happened last year, when Pam Bondi et al started playing games with binders and redactions and the lies got so self-evident even the bubble of propaganda couldn’t cover it anymore.
Last year. 2025. AFTER the November 2024 election. You are applying today’s knowledge to 2024’s ballots.
In addition, many Trump voters are survivors themselves. Pretty much every girl and most boys that have grown up under the poverty line are either survivors themselves or know one, or more, and that’s where Trump lies pulled strongest.
Two survivors of sexual assault were Republicans that voted for EFTA: Lauren Boebert and MTG. Without them you wouldn’t even be seeing these files.
But there’s something else to consider. Survivors are here, reading these comments. When you use sweeping, libelous language, such as
30% of Americans are fine with raping babies
do you really think that you’re NOT going to trigger someone? Jesus christ, man. These are real people, and some of them are here.
It is demonstrably FALSE that 30% of Americans are in favor of pedophilia; that’s why Pizzagate was a thing and why the pedo-in-chief used it as a dog whistle in his own propaganda. It’s visceral and powerful, and he used it along with all the other false promises he made.
But if you can’t or don’t want to recognize that at the time of the 2024 election he was not known to his followers to be a pedophile, at least recognize that you are taking the very real, lived experiences of people who have endured the very thing you claim to decry, in ways you cannot even begin to imagine, and twisted it around to claim that they are personally in favor of the exact revolting acts that they have to live with EVERY fucking day and night for the rest of their lives.
If that’s you, I can’t change you. You are what you are. Yet no one but pedophiles knowingly voted for a pedophile, 30% of Americans are NOT “fine with raping babies,” and to claim otherwise is just fucking vile.
No. We are not. And this doesn’t even play to the worst of the MAGA base: Trump brought this on himself by projecting pedophilia and pedophiles in power as something that, if elected, he was going to uncover.
In other, simpler words, decent folk everywhere are ALL upset about it, including those who voted for the pedo-in-chief.
What you just said wasn’t anti-American, though I’m sure you think it works that way. It’s really just anti-decency, in the exact same way Trump’s own slurs tend to be. “They’re eating the dogs.” “Americans are fine with raping children.”
See how that works? It’s the exact same noise, to the exact same end.
And to prove it further you encourage mobs. We don’t need mobs. We have Minneapolis and Minnesota beating ICE back every day, with a courage that you can’t even credit, in a way that has brought the world’s attention to the extreme wrongs being done there.
Look more closely at the Epstein files – it is the community you are fouling with your propaganda, after all – and notice what the Epstein files all have in common: the rich and powerful, across every border. This particular thread is highlighting Sultan Bin Sulayem, but you’re skipping right over that to whine about what Americans aren’t doing for you and trot out the exact same kind of nationalist slur you claim to be against.
Pick a side, but you’re not against the Epstein class: you sound exactly like them.
What’s the child rapist president’s approval rating right now? 42%. He’s a child rapist, murderer, liar, criminal and pants shitter and his approval rating is 43 fucking percent. So saying 30% was generous.
But that’s not what you claimed.
Your words, not mine.
Pedophilia was not on the ballot, so votes alone don’t prove your claim. But you go ahead. Any source.
Do it for the survivors who are also reading your vile claim. Or maybe you think Haley Robson is also fine with raping children, since she is both a Trump voter and an Epstein survivor, and she’s not alone. Or maybe MTG, who is in fact a screaming howler monkey as well as a sexual assault survivor, but without whom none of us would now be seeing any of these files. And so forth. The list is long.
Go ahead. Prove your “30% of America is fine with raping children.”
30 percent are fine with a president who does
Trump is a child rapist. He was elected twice to the presidency. His current approval rating is 42%, after everything he’s done. How do you reconcile his continued support despite his child raping, if not as approval of his actions? He raped children and Americans still support him as president, 42% of Americans. That looks to me like 42% of Americans are fine with child rape.
Where is your evidence that shows more than 70% of Americans disapprove of a child raping president? How are these two things reconciled if Americans don’t approve but are also shown to approve?
It is, of course, absolutely true that the vast majority of US citizens are decent people. However, they are represented by an unscrupulous criminal regime whose misdeeds do not even stop at protecting the obviously numerous child abusers in the ranks of the mafia-like organization that constitutes the administration - far from it.
You have to understand that the world is furious and also holds US citizens responsible, because after all, it is their elected representatives who are obviously guilty of the most heinous crimes and get away with all of this completely unpunished, even though it is perfectly obvious what monsters they are.
This is attributable to the frustration that it is not only US citizens who suffer from the criminal syndicate that the US regime represents and which, in the person of the orange rapist at its head, even openly displays it’s disgusting grimace of absolute malice these days. The fact is that other countries also suffer from their crimes. However, people in other countries can do nothing about it except turn away from the US in disgust.
It is, of course, sad how unreflective this sometimes is, but it is simply the logical consequence of the actions of the US regime.
I fear that as long as decent people in the US do not organize themselves and finally hold the criminals at the top of their system accountable, US citizens will have to accept the accusation that they are allowing the most heinous of all crimes to happen.
If they do not act themselves, it will always continue this way, because the Epstein case shows that neither politicians, nor the legal system, nor law enforcement agencies can be expected to hold those responsible to account - on the contrary: the entire system is obviously so infiltrated that it serves unscrupulous criminals rather than citizens.
This should be clear to everyone by now - and that is what comments like the one above are aiming at: for the rest of the world, at least the democratic part, it is simply incomprehensible that more than 300 million Americans are apparently unable to finally rise up against the tyranny of the so-called US elite, who are actually the exact opposite: they are the scum of the US population, who have attained positions of power through a system that depends on greed, unscrupulousness, and inhuman selfishness for success.
It is really time to put a stop to these people and fundamentally dismantle the system they have created to enable their crimes in the first place.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply; I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. But throwing out obviously slanderous falsehoods about “30% of Americans are fine with raping children” isn’t the winning posture some apparently think it is. They seem to think all that is know today was known in November 2024, and it was not, especially not to his followers.
I have added in another comment how sexual assault survivors crossed the aisle to pass EFTA, without which no one would be seeing the files now. Some of Epstein’s survivors are themselves Trump voters: they voted for him because they believed the lies he would do something about it. To assert that they too are “fine with raping children” as children that were raped themselves is dishonorable and beyond revolting, but even when pointed out there are folks still saying it, like doubling down on it will make it more defensible.
And to do so in a community that is built around discussing real crimes against real people, some of whom are here, and for whom there is already a trigger warning in the sidebar, is conscienceless and vile.
Someone else here asked me what I was defending, as though all this comes down to an election choice based on today’s wisdom for yesterday’s ballot and that’s all that should matter to me. I answered them.
Perhaps that reply will help you understand better as well.
To be clear, I don’t give a shit who voted for or against Trump at this point. He’s there. I’m doing my part (in ways I will not discuss online) and I assume others are as well. That’s not for anyone else to question, especially if they’re not even here. In the meantime, do not take real survivors’ pain and torment and use it as a dishonest label and emotive cudgel with which to make cheap ass political points out of a suffering non-survivors cannot possibly understand. That is reprehensible, regardless of where you or anyone else stands on the political spectrum.
Yes, I agree with you: inaccurate generalizations don’t help anyone, and insults even less so - quite the contrary. That’s exactly the kind of mindless nonsense that has helped demagogues like Drump succeed. It only serves to distract attention from the real culprits.
The only thing I wanted to say with my comment is that I can halfway understand why people are frustrated and allow themselves to be led to make such bogus statements. I think you’re absolutely right that it makes much more sense to look forward rather than backward, to put an end to political infighting and to join forces to fight the real enemies, because they are essentially the ones who benefit from discord - it’s their strategy.
The GOP’s approach is a good example of this: since the Tea Party movement under Sarah Palin and then MAGA, this party has developed into an anti-democratic juggernaut: instead of discussion and compromise, it now insists solely on its inhumane hardliner positions, slander, disinformation, etc. - not talking to each other rationally, but merely spreading hatred and hostility.
Unfortunately, this model has also been adopted by right-wing extremist parties in my home country, and they too are unfortunately very successful with it.
Democracy simply cannot function this way, because it requires the exchange of rational arguments and a willingness to cooperate for the benefit of all. With hatred and slander, on the other hand, it is impossible to shape democratic processes for the good of all.
Therefore, baseless accusations and insults are extremely counterproductive.
It is much worse than that. It is a direct form of horizontal hostility, and specifically designed to prevent people from confronting the real enemy:
So even though I deeply appreciate your position for myself, while you are busy lending these folks your gentle understanding, I will offer my congratulations on the own-goal to all the people taking cheap and dishonest shots at Americans who care enough to address it and fix it, survivors included, because we’re the only ones who can.
No, 30% of Americans (at least) are perfectly fine with it.
Prove it.
Pedophilia was not on the ballot in its own right. There was no tick box next to “Pedophilia” on any American ballot.
People voted for Trump because they thought, however deluded they were, that he’d uncover and take action against pedophile in high places.
But you dispute that, and you claim a 30% approval rate for pedophilia among Americans. So prove it.
what are you talking about? If I told you Candidate A and candidate B are running. Oh, B is a pedophile BTW, you’re acting like a proper response would be “Yeah but is that an election issue?”
If you’re ok voting for the pedophile then you’re… ok voting for a pedophile. the fuck are you defending here anyway?
Two things. Many people who got conned into voting for Trump did so because they thought shit like Pizzagate was real, that he would come in and empty the pedophile swamp, etc. These are people that live in a bubble anyway, and are only just now figuring out that not only is he not going to drain the fucking swamp, he IS the swamp. But that happened last year, when Pam Bondi et al started playing games with binders and redactions and the lies got so self-evident even the bubble of propaganda couldn’t cover it anymore.
Last year. 2025. AFTER the November 2024 election. You are applying today’s knowledge to 2024’s ballots.
In addition, many Trump voters are survivors themselves. Pretty much every girl and most boys that have grown up under the poverty line are either survivors themselves or know one, or more, and that’s where Trump lies pulled strongest.
Two survivors of sexual assault were Republicans that voted for EFTA: Lauren Boebert and MTG. Without them you wouldn’t even be seeing these files.
But there’s something else to consider. Survivors are here, reading these comments. When you use sweeping, libelous language, such as
do you really think that you’re NOT going to trigger someone? Jesus christ, man. These are real people, and some of them are here.
It is demonstrably FALSE that 30% of Americans are in favor of pedophilia; that’s why Pizzagate was a thing and why the pedo-in-chief used it as a dog whistle in his own propaganda. It’s visceral and powerful, and he used it along with all the other false promises he made.
But if you can’t or don’t want to recognize that at the time of the 2024 election he was not known to his followers to be a pedophile, at least recognize that you are taking the very real, lived experiences of people who have endured the very thing you claim to decry, in ways you cannot even begin to imagine, and twisted it around to claim that they are personally in favor of the exact revolting acts that they have to live with EVERY fucking day and night for the rest of their lives.
If that’s you, I can’t change you. You are what you are. Yet no one but pedophiles knowingly voted for a pedophile, 30% of Americans are NOT “fine with raping babies,” and to claim otherwise is just fucking vile.
this was common knowledge by 2020 lol
if they’re here and they voted for a pedophile they deserve the shade lol
2016 I’d say.
“if she wasn’t my daughter I’d date her”
“inspecting miss teen USA changing rooms”
“grab her by the pussy”
And so many more
Plus all the assault accusations, from adult and (at the time) minors.
Of which there are zero.