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I know how to handle firearms and I’m somewhat able to hit a target. But oh my god do I not want to use any, for anything.
ideally, you won’t have to. Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you. otherwise, make a range buddy?
Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you.
Ha. I know this is the wrong community to laugh at this, but honestly it’s hilarious.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
Fear is a terrible demotivator for people looking to cause damage. At best they’ll be looking for ways to cause damage before you’d notice, before you’d ever be able to pull a gun.
I’ll play devil’s advocate here a bit, but living in a culture where guns are a constant does put limits on a lot of activity. It’s also 100% true to say that people looking to cause damage will do so regardless of repercussions and often in spite of them. In most ways I agree that gun reduction overall has a greater reduction in harm than gun availability. That said, when living in a society where anyone and everyone can have a gun it definitely impacts some of the decisions you make.
I see youtube videos about people freaking out in traffic and getting out of their car to fight and my first thought is that they have no idea if the driver has a gun. The danger of gun culture for most people in that culture isn’t a random shooting at a school or mall, even if that’s what gets the news. The real danger of gun culture is getting into a minor argument or misunderstanding and someone shoots you for little to no reason. It doesn’t matter if they are going to go to jail for wrongful manslaughter or murder if you’re already dead.
When you live in gun crazy society it for sure cranks down a certain amount of behavior amongst normal people. The problem inherent to this is that there are stupid people with guns who for some reason don’t think other people have them and engage in confrontations as if that’s the case.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
I usually really hate quote texting people but I just want to point how real this is. Yes, you’re correct. It needs both. Valuing both is what makes us leftist gun owners.
As for the rest, I think the other guy who replied to you explained it way better than I can.
Just living within a gun positive culture
Ah, yes. I’ve heard that Vibes-Based gun ownership is 50% more effective than Regular gun ownership.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes and pretending it’s not shows just how unengaged with society you are. if you’d like to educate yourself, the entire history of the Black Panther movement is right there. there are places in America right now that ICE will not raid because of the viBeS indicating that they will be shot if they try.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain but I’m sincerely inviting you to at least check yourself for a pulse.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes
Take that, materialists.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain
🙄
okay that was rude of me. I should have just let it be. have a good rest of your night
I’m 100% on board with you, but do you have you be so rude in your response to the weevil? They’re a genuinely interesting, generally nice person, at least in my experience.
I’m in Germany, I’ll only need to use one if Vlad decides to come over.
that’s a good problem to have. it seems you guys have built your society right without all the insanity we’re dealing with in the US right now. take care of yourselves and eachother 👍
Better to have and not use than need and not have.
Can’t do it, my brain is bad
It takes a lot to realize that and exercise that restraint. You’re a good egg. With that being said, a paintball gun would have a low chance of self-harm, but they make coyote urine balls that smell terrible on impact. Just saying.
And pepper balls, and jawbreakers.
I’ll just point out that showing up to a hypothetical gun battle with only paint (or even pepper balls) is a bad idea. Cops and other criminals will undoubtedly act as if you’re holding a firearm anyway, even though you aren’t, and their guns can do unto you while you can’t do unto them. Tread wisely.
Surprised this group hasn’t been mentioned. I have known, and been friends with, several members.
Yup, I’m a lifelong filthy anti-gun liberal.
Can’t be anymore.
It’s time to get armed. Wish it wasn’t, but the writing is on the wall. If Americans want to go on blowing each other’s heads off and having endless school shootings, well, that’s better than living under fascism, which is here, now.
Gonna be a lot harder for them to do what they want if we’re all packing.
Yeah armed resistance is working out great in Gaza, right?
Most times armed resistance movements are just about giving power to violent leaders. And those violent leaders of resistance movements go on to become oppressors if they ever gain power.
I suggest you watch these 3 videos in sequence and in full (assuming you have the attention-span for it):
guns part 1 (technicalities)
guns part 2 (failed laws)
guns part 3 (possible solutions)
especially if you’re non-US.I miss that man. His wife is doing a great job though.
She doesn’t do it for me the way Beau did! She’s not bad, she just has a different way of delivering things that I don’t enjoy as much.
She’s clearly reading a script, whereas he seemed to be talking without one.
Knew it was Beau before I even clicked on it. Great little video series he did back then!
“Only 3 kinds of people in the world: pro-gun, anti-gun and those who actually know how firearms work.”
Eh… I’m sticking with blades, Molotovs if I need to go there
While you were at the range, I was studying the blade.
This is one of the more surprising reversals in leftist opinion over the last ten years.
It’s always been the case that if you go left far enough you get your guns back.
I absolutely believe that giving guns to everybody is a really dumb idea. But if I was living in the present day US, I’d start stocking up on guns and ammo and practice shooting.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost. None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it. You can make a lot of things whole lot worse by introducing armed conflict to it, but nothing can be made better by it. If I was a conspiratorial type, I would say that making the left gun-happy is a psyop by fascists, because there is very little things is as dangerous to a healthy society as the ubiquity of guns, and fasch can’t thrive in a healthy society.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost.
Did you miss the bit where people are being ICEd?
They’ve already lost.And shooting at ICE will make things substantially, distopially worse. It will either bring the true fascist regime of which this one is a pale shadow, or a civil war, and a civil war is basically an end of at least two generations, even if “good guys” win. However bad a life of a regular person is in the US right now, and it is bad for a lot of people, I can absolutely assure you, it’s nothing compared to life of a person in a country where civil war is happening. Or full blown authoritarianism for that matter.
This country is already lost.
Not a single person in a position of power is willing to dethrone the oligarchs, it will only be done through violence.
Either these are the tools that will change things, or the tools that will tak out as many of the enemy as possible before they kill you.
I mean, it’s not exactly a new opinion. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary
it’s just quite shocking to me as a Canadian. But I can see the logic behind it.
There is none. It’s just people who would never do anything in real life acting tough on the internet.
^ Prime example right there.
I’m yet to hear someone defend themselves successfully with a semi-automatic against ICE.
Are there any resources for getting started?
I don’t like reddit anymore, but there’s /r/liberalgunowners. I’d suggest taking a safety course, then renting (edit: multiple firearms) at the range, and then buying what you think you need/ like.
Edit: Guy bellow me is also right.
Edit edit: I forgot about this part. You should prepare yourself to spend the amount of money needed to buy an older, used car. It depends on the state, but that was my experience. Around 4k with EVERYTHING involved.
Seconded on the safety course. Ask all your questions then, too.
It’s worth mentioning that you should try out a few options before going with the first gun you try. My spread went down by half in a day just by finding the one that fit my hand right.
And lastly, stay in practice. Like anything, if you don’t do it for a while, your skill will plummet. The last thing you want do is try to remember the fundamentals in a life or death situation.
$4k?? No fuckin way lol. You can buy a glock or even an AR for under $500 right now. 500 rounds of 9mm for the glock is $150 or 1000 rounds of .556 is $450. $50 for a couple hours at the range with a friend that can show you the ropes.
If guns were the solution to minority oppression then the US would be the least oppressive place in the world.
Checks notes Apparently guns don’t help, but please do tell that to the 50,000 Americans we lose every year to gun violence.
That is right every year we lose more citizens than a major conflict and that is just “normal” apparently.
The only gun control in the US is a result of the Black Panthers
The government is afraid of vulnerable minorities owning guns
There are more guns than every man, women, child, and baby in the US.
And no the only gun control is not related to the Black Panthers. There was some California gun control related to it though. It was the Mulford Act.
Are you really this ignorant of US history or are you intentionally trying to mislead people?
It is simple not all gun control is related to the Black Panthers. You implied it was. Why are you trying to mislead people?
Banning attachments isn’t gun control.
Changing the rules on who is allowed to own guns is.
Keep pedanticly supporting fascism it’s a great look.
GCA and NFA are not related to the Black Panthers. It is clear you are very wrong, but that is okay.
Fascism is what brought more guns than people to my country. We lose 50k civilians every year to gun violence and you could care less. Don’t even try to lecture me.
So clearly, we should stop fascism… right?
This man is right. Doomsider is absolutely pedantically supporting fascism. Spot on.
Anyone that is unfortunate enough to stumble into this mess, please review all the conversations between Doomsider and myself. You will find he is either a bot, troll, or astroturfing. He refuses to take any stand on any matter and will only attack, deny, or accuse. He has no principles. Please ignore him and preferably, block him.
I would definitely recommend blocking this guy. He is a wanna be troll baiter. I don’t mind having conversations, but it is clear this character is a political hack with a lot of rage and no answers.
I agree. That way I can continue my work against fascist apologists without interference from other fascist apologists.
Doesn’t matter. Fascism is here. Time to get armed.
Facts don’t matter? sound pretty fascist to me.
Besides, fascism has always been here. Anything else requires drinking copious amounts of Kool-Aid.
You want to complain to the manager of the fascists? Maybe this will get them to stop what they’re doing? Also, if you’re going to argue a point in good faith… at least don’t make it seem like we should accept fascism just because it’s kind of always been around.
I don’t see people in the US being dragged off for posting memes or engaging in wrongthink. Not yet anyway.
The US is FAR less oppressive than places like the UK and Canada.
The US is FAR less oppressive than places like the UK and Canada.
Hilariously false
Hilariously true. Call Trump whatever you want and you can’t be touched. Oppose the ruling regime in the UK and they send the police after you.
You serve no purpose in your conversations other than to try to garner support for your paranoia. I notice how quick you are to point at problems, and how you have yet to offer any solutions or propose any alternatives. Nobody should engage you in any meaningful conversation for which you appear to be unable to engage in good faith. You also said this.
“Saying the US is turning fascist is nonsensical.” - Doomsider
Now stand by your words and explain to everyone why you’re not wrong without changing the subject and spouting about some vaguely related historical fact to obfuscate. Eat Crow, Doomsider.
I can support my statement with facts. All you have is feelings apparently. Cheers!
You’re a fascist apologist. That’s a fact. For the record, so everyone here knows what you are: Do you or do you not support using violence against violent fascists?
As I suspected, you just want to murder people just like the fascists you hate. YouAreLiterallyaFascist!
Answer the question. Don’t make it about me.
Man, sure is quiet here. He responded to me elsewhere, however… but not here. Fuckin’ crickets are loud, though.
You’ve lost the narrative. Nobody cares what you think anymore, if they ever did. You enjoy the taste of boot leather with a sanctimonious superiority fetish. This is what you are.
I could care less about what a mentally ill wannabe fascist thinks about me. Haters gonna hate.
Since you’re not messaging me, anymore, I just want you to know that I think it’s really sweet of you to be able to care less for me. You’ve set our differences aside and become a better person than you were before. That’s what life is all about.
Oh please, you are such a ham.
Man, if you need help… just reach out. I’m here for you.
Genuine question, how exactly do you picture this playing out? Let’s say you are a homosexual married person in the US, and the right for gay marriage is overturned. Now what? How is a gun going to help you? When someone tells you “actually you’re not married anymore” just shoot them? What is the plan here?
You’re sincerely confused? It’s clear you have no background in anything military or perhaps even psychology. It’s power-projection. You’ve become so conditioned to believe that power-projection is only used as a tool of oppression that you’re overlooking the fact that it’s better to point guns than it is to face guns, and it’s certainly worse to face guns without one to point back. Would you rather cede power to those who desire it than support empowering those who would wield it to protect your right to exists? You want to exist in an ideal world? Be willing to fight for it – the ones who wish to oppress others are certainly willing to use violence to achieve their means. Once you’ve claimed victory over violent oppression, then you can set the guns aside and build a society around the flimsy concept of a disarmed society. Guns are still tools and have uses outside of violence, but that’s outside the scope of the point I’m making.
PSA: WHEN YOUR LIFE IS THREATENED BY MASKED THUGS, PLEASE DO NOT RESIST. JUST DO WHAT THEY SAY AND QUIETLY DISAPPEAR. DO NOT MAKE THE FASCISTS KNOW FEAR. REMAIN HARMLESS.
I DO NOT WISH TO SEE ANYTHING THAT THREATENS MY COMFORT OR PRIVILEGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION ON THIS MATTER.
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Nope, I’m a lifelong anti-gun authoritarian.
Good people will hesitate to shoot, an armed society just puts the worst group in charge because they don’t care about killing.
Did you just call yourself an authoritarian?
Yeah, opposite a liberal. I was satirizing the other comment.
Then you are giving a complete monopoly of force to the Government, who are the ones in charge and don’t care about killing. You surrender all ability to protect yourself for the hope that those in power both want to and are able to protect you.
The Black Panther Party would “politely” disagree with you. While armed to the teeth.
Tw’ain’t no white racists trying to pick on black people when the Panthers were around.
Edit: Oh yeah, and J. Edgar Hoover labelled this group as a national security threat, so it has that going for it as well.
Your edit seems to contradict your comment, the most violent group did get rid of them
And do you suppose that their extermination was hastened or hindered by the fact that members were armed?
Hastened, Al Sharpton is still running around as an example of non-armed activism.
Armed minors you say?
“Won’t someone think of the children?”
