Summary: Republicans are 50/50, everyone else is strongly opposed.
As an American, the fact that 25% are for it or indifferent is a shameful number…
We don’t have the right to judge we unleashed this evil pedofile on this planet
Most people : don’t do it
Government leaders: don’t do it
Business: don’t do it
Academics: don’t do it
All other countries and states in the world: don’t do it
Trump: I’m gonna do it.
It’s not only trump, that’s the sad thing. Trump is just a puppet, controlled by people behind the curtains. Look at this project 2025. There are plenty of powerful people who are pulling the strings of Trump and the next Republican candidate.
Long gone are the days when politicians were actually working for their voters. Now it is all about social media propaganda. And guess what, making education unaffordable works wonders for those people. They don’t want rational human beings, they just want easy to control and manipulate sheep.
“And just like that, everything changed. At that terrible moment, in our hearts, we knew. Home was a pen. Humanity, cattle.”
that number should be 100%
It practically is. There’s no reason any sane citizen with no stake would be for going to war against a peaceful ally. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
75% is an awfully low number.
25% of people being propagandised beyond reason is a high number, yes.
Truthfully at this point I’m satisfied that 15% aren’t undecided on the issue
Hitting 75% agreement in US politics is honestly unusual today, so I think it’s a good sign that Trump has domestic opposition on this one
Unusual? “Breathing” would struggle to break 60%. 75% is functionally unanimous.
Not in US politics. If you have 51% of votes of whoever is The Party at the moment, you can make decisions without others impeding on them.
If one party got 51 % of votes, then that means 26,01 % of all votes is enough to decide about the all of the country’s things alone.
Domestic opposition doesn’t mean shit if they don’t do anything about it.
One interesting point in the article you posted rather than OP’s is that according to Ipsos only 17% of Americans approve of taking Greenland. I have no clue what the truth is but that number ‘feels’ a little more accurate.
In short that would mean 17% of Americans are ride or die MAGA which sadly is a believable number.
Do keep in mind there usually is a “I don’t know” option. So both numbers can be true.
Note that violent means only had 4%. So 13% wouldn’t mind a peaceful purchase. Which is still dumb but at least not as outright insane as Stephen Miller would go.
You’ll excuse me if I don’t put much stock in the promises of Republican lawmakers. Particularly Murkowski.
Ask yourself, honestly, what will they do when push comes to shove?
I didn’t know if that’s “doing” anytime. It’s all rhetoric.
They also said all sorts of stuff about curbing his actions in Venezuela but when it came time to vote they couldn’t even get it to need a veto.
Maybe violating European sovereignty is a bridge enough to actually pass something, but I expect them to just let the veto happen
To be fair, all Trump has done on this is espew rhetoric also
Didn’t Trump pass an internet privacy bill in his first term with like 7% approval? Wasn’t his first Healthcare plan also around that approval, though that didn’t pass. Isn’t national background checks for gun sales at like 95%? Why do people think their opinion matters?
I think these polls are good to put our opinions on the public record.
Yeah, but they also make it clear to the world that we don’t live in a democracy. Especially when we go around trying to spread it around the world.
25% is a huge tipping point for social dynamics.
If he loses just a little more support the whole MAGA movement will begin to unravel.
People are made vulnerable to their idol going haywire - by the need to rationalize having supported him. Thus the 50% of Republicans who bluescreened with “great leader always correct”. If they have time to read up on the issue, it will drop a bit.
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making big assumptions here
“They did not choose to read up on the issue.”
-Narrator
You could probably poll 10,000 random Americans and find about 25% that would be in favor of eating lightbulbs and severing diplomatic ties with the magical land of Oz. That bottom 25% of Americans has got some real issues.
Polls are the most reliable way to be disappointed in humanity.
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No, it really isn’t.
25% of Americans being in favour of invading a NATO country without provocation is insane levels of crazy
OP’s poll doesn’t say anything about military action. It just asks whether the US should try to acquire Greenland.
The Qunnipiac poll shows that when the question explicitly includes military action, opposition is 86%: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-voters-widely-opposed-taking-greenland-military-force/story?id=129280864
And the other 25% are straight up Nazis.
It says “…Of Americans”, so the optimist in me says “25% of people didn’t know about or answer the poll.”
Don’t atribute malice where stupidity fits. It’s quite probable that a sizable chunk of those 25% didn’t even understood the question.
Can the Lt ever find Greenland on a ma? Are people still falling for Lief Ericsson’s lies?
More likely: 50% of Republicans are still waiting for instructions what to think.
Yeah! We need to take Greenland because checks notes that’s where fentanyl comes from and without it we will get more brown people!
Seriously brown people are all the argument they need. The racism is insane with the party. Maybe they can say that Greenland is being invaded by tren de aragua and we need to bring ice there to improve our community. It’s the same logic we already have right? As in, devoid of it.
Fent is just powdered Lego
Trump is probably on a personal Vendetta against Denmark because he stepped on a LEGO brick in some girls room at Epsteins place.
In truth he is in hoc to Putin, Putin wants Nato to die. The president of the US does not have the juice to pull us out of Nato direct, but they figure they can whip up nationalistic furor to imperial expansion to kill it.
Inuits are pretty brown.
*on what to believe. Thinking is hard.
stand back and stand by
They’re not looking very hard then, because republican leadership and propaganda machines have been peddling that thought for months.
70% of Americans approve of higher minimum wage and universal health care, too.
It doesn’t matter.
That means there has to be an overlap of millions of Americans who want this but still voted Trump. Does their stupidity know no bounds?
There’s a metric fuckton of Americans who would resurrect Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich before they willingly voted for a woman… let alone a brown woman… it’s ridiculous.
Which is why it is so strange to see the a female candidate pander to those voters. Plenty of stupidity to go around.
a woman isnt going to win either way if she dint, usa voters quite mysogynistic in various degree, you got the right wingers that are openly mysogynistics, but also the cloested ones that cant come out and say they dont really like woman.
The closeted ones may still vote for a woman just to say they aren’t part of the problem, like they did with Obama. But the candidate has to sell change, they aren’t going to vote for the same policies but advanced by someone who doesn’t look like them.
obama broke the minds of republicans and any people that dont like “blacks” that arnt republican voters for the sake of where they live in a blue area.
There’s a metric fuckton
I only do freedom units! /jk
Btw is that about 100 adult badgers?More like a hundred thousand large hamster wheels!
higher minimum wage and universal health care
Yet when you mention these, 70% of muricans’ Pavlovian brains will yell Communist!.
So. No one will talk about the 48% of Americans that are okay with abducting the President in charge of a sovereign country so rich Americans could snatch them away their oil?
Yes, foreigners, if you go to the USA, apparently that’s a hot topic.
Be honest if aliens from space showed up and just abducted Trump and put him into space prison, how angry would you be about that?
Jesus Christ I had some hints that Republicans would be coming to their senses, but fucking 50/50?!? These people are fucking lost, too far gone. They are beyond normal legal or democratic avenues. This is a violent, fascist authoritarian cult, and they need to be stopped.
If they don’t change their minds when their country threatens real hostilities against former allies, then they will not be swayed by anything except force, combined with real, uncompromising economic destruction.
Americans will need a general strike and armed protests at this point.
They love authoritarianism, more than they love other people, democracy, anything. There’s a certain amount of neural wiring involved, as people lean into it, their amygdala grows larger and their fear of “others” and “chaos” intensifies.
When I saw my mom posting a fundraiser for the Ice murderer’s family last week, I realized a cop could beat me to death in front of her, and she’d tend to his bruised knuckles in apology. That was the very last straw, I don’t know her anymore.
Yeah David Frum famously wrote “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
He’s a former neocon Bush speechwriter and an ardent anti-Trumper. He would know.
I’ve seen enough of the die hard maga folks talk that I see why authoritarianism appeals. It’s annoying to think and if someone just simplifies the world for them, they find that much more appealing.
To scrutinize the actions of their leader is just too much work, so they just slip into the comfortable position of “this is my guy, I agree with whatever he says, even if I were to be even vaguely at odds with him, is just because he is better than me and accepting whatever is just the right call”
there was brain scan study to confirm this a while ago, the amgydala is larger on average compared to non-conservatives.
What happens if you change political party then?
Some say their amygdala grew three sizes that day.
I imagine your opinions have shifted and therefore your brain is already literally changing by the time you drop the party.
i wonder if it does if they “saw the error of the ways” voted a “left” party, does it shrink or does it stay hypertrophied?
That’s the distrust I think about every day, too. That so many would sell their families out for nothing.
Alternative perspective, for what it’s worth:
50/50 is actually comparatively huge. Considering everything else has been 90/10.
The first departure from your god-king is always the hardest. I expect for many, this is the first break, and will make any subsequent break mentally easier.
Also keep in mind that people who identify/lean Republican has taken a little more than a 10% haircut since January 2025. Any “republicans say” is an increasingly smaller subset of the total voting population… getting more concentratedly nuts as they boil off the more rational ones. Even with this more concentrated version of Republicans, it’s STILL not popular.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not GREAT… but there is a trend line. It’s not moving as fast as it should, but it IS moving.
There are some positive signs, with some MAGAs turning on Trump over Epstein, his warmongering, and possbily over Greenland.
However, the pessimist in me expects that they’ll get re-educated by Joe Rogan and FOX News soon enough, into understanding the absolute necessity of putting nukes and ICBM interceptors on Greenland.
USA already has a nuke on Greenland.. Granted, they’ve lost it, partly because they had a period where they seemed to think of nukes as little more than toys…
i dont see that trend, they are all in it or not. its a zero sum for them. “all the rational ones are likely remaining quiet while still supporting maga on the issue or in the maga-sphere already.”
You don’t see the trend? You mean you haven’t seen the aggregate survey data showing the trend? Or are you saying in your personal encounters, you haven’t observed any change?
It’s not even former allies. Denmark is a current ally according to treaties that are signed into US law. Sure the US is effectively no longer part of NATO but all of the official reasons for invading Greenland could be accomplished by Trump admitting some agreements made by past Presidents were actually good.
This is all because one deranged old child molester wants to put his name on the map and a whole bunch of people are too gutless to admit that’s what’s going on.
Republicans have come to their senses. They’re not in denial anymore, they realized they’re evil and they love it.
and they need to be stopped.
A full-on embargo would be nice, and ironic.
The caveat being a whole lotta world depends on AWS and such.I’ll be generous for a second and presume that the vast majority of Magas are racist but not directly evil, so to speak, just naive, dumb, and brainwashed by decades of poor education and fox news
Either way, once this is over I’d happily vote for taking away voting rights from anyone Republican. Not for being evil, but for being too dumb to be able to vote
I disagree. Anyone should be allowed to vote. But I’d happily support mandatory civics classes to be able to do so, where you actually have to pass to get your voter registration number.
The problem is such tests always become politicized.
Anyone should be allowed to vote.
have to pass to get your voter registration number.So not anyone, got it.
Hey look, the “civics” lessons in the South are oddly favoring conservative talking points…
Historically tests for voting competency have not been to ensure educated voters, but to disenfranchise groups. You don’t want to open that door.
Why is this in !world@lemmy.world ?
I am tired of USAsians’ navel-gazing.
25% of Americans would jump off a cliff if Trump told them to.
Gosh, that’d be convenient; here’s hoping 🤞
Didn’t he tell them to drink bleach for covid? Unfortunately no one really did.
No, he told them to inject bleach. Much different.
I think you finally found a purpose for AI.
It’s worth looking at the framing of this. CNN asked, “Would you (favor) or (oppose) the U.S. attempting to take control of Greenland?” A poll from 4 days early found, when specifically asked about taking over Greenland by force, found it was a
86% support, 9% oppose.[86% oppose, 9% support] (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/86-percent-in-new-poll-against-us-taking-greenland-by-force/ar-AA1Udv9k). (I was very tired when I wrote this. Most Americans are very, very tired right now.)Trump has made several bids to buy Greenland, and I think most of the support in this poll is for that option. I think the majority of Americans really don’t believe he’ll send the military to Greenland and destroy the NATO alliance. They think this is a negotiating tactic, and they are seriously mistaken.
86% opposed
Thanks for the other poll. :) But in your link, you have confused “oppose” and “support”. :)
OMG, yes, thank you, that was a pretty big typo.
25% of Americans are perfectly fine with the US just taking over independent countries. 75% oppose but only if they don’t have to do anything other than answer a poll.
Numbers like these really reinforce that there’s no coming back for the US.
Honestly I actually think this is a good sign. There was a point toward the end of 2024 when Trump could have come out and said the moon is made of cheese and polls would say 50% of Americans agree with him. The fact that in less than two years Trump has lost 50% of his base is insane. He’s is hemorrhaging support.
If numbers keep moving this way the midterm elections, which happen later this year will be interesting to say the least.
There aren’t going to be midterms
Elections have never been cancelled in the US, and the midterms aren’t going to be the time they start.
The bigger more pernicious danger is them fixing elections, which they are totally planning on doing every way they can. Then for the presidential election if they lose but have congress will just vote to give it to their guy anyway, and the supreme court will allow them if it looks like it will work.
If there’s one thing that you can say about this regime, it has been a regime of “first times”. I put the chance of actual midterms at perhaps 60%. Polymarket has it at 91%, so if I weren’t an Ontario resident, thus blocked from trading, I’d probably be spending some money.
They will also try to fix it, in case they can’t get it cancelled. But I believe they are doing everything they can to try and cancel it.
They are floating the idea at this moment that’s true. That is how this president works. Like he has one of his allies float an idea, like Michael Flynn and declaring martial law and rerunning elections under the guns of the military in 2020. I doubt they get the support.
I think they will be so unpopular though they will overplay their hands on congressional districts and not leave enough cushion, which is how the democrats took it in 2018. I don’t think the main cheating will manifest until the presidential election though.
Polymarket eh? I used to check out predictit, but the government made them shut down . That was a university led thing to explore getting more accurate predictions than polls I believe.
In my experience so far he is allowed to get away with anything his cult base will allow. Meaning he often acts illegally and/or against protocol, the damage is done, and then maybe, just maybe, the legal or democratic systems might react.
I agree with you that it seems like his main problem is that he may be moving too fast. He seems to have decided that he must move quickly, probably due to the inherent limitations of the election cycles and timing in the US. He has to make enough change prior to midterms, and prior to the next election, to lock in his power. If you consider his main motivation to be holding onto power, then everything seems to make sense. But in this case the American election cycles and timing, midterms and presidential elections, may actually be a saving grace, because he needs to make quick changes but if he moves too quickly he will provoke too much resistance. And another thing about Trump is that he is remarkably stupid when it comes to just about anything other than branding, so he may be unable to walk the fine line between change too fast and change too slow. And it may even be the case that with the American system set up as it is, that line doesn’t really exist.
they already did for 2024 and dnc all threw up thier hands dint investigate it, why not 26 as well.
Elections have never been cancelled in the US, and the midterms aren’t going to be the time they start.
There’s a lot of ______ never happened before going around in the US, in case you haven’t noticed.
At the risk of being long winded, I think most of the cheating will be geared towards the 2028 elections, and that is the one the president would be more likely to put off because the two term limit. If he is still cognizant, at some point his own people will shunt him aside perhaps. But he’s so out of it now the party can get him to do almost anything. They could even try to cancel social security at this rate.
They turned his America First on it’s head. The legacy of the president, such as it was, with the low information populations, is now tainted beyond recovery. We are more active abroad in adventurism than perhaps ever before. He wouldn’t have agreed to that if he was his 2020 self just out of self interest, but his mind is so far gone the party induced him to, by playing his emotions, holding his hand.
So whether the party wants to keep him a little longer as a puppet or not in defiance of the amendment forbidding more than two terms, may decide if they try to delay elections. They need a new leader at some point and vance isn’t it, so I suspect the elections will go forward.
But also I predict maybe fall 2027 there will be indictments to democratic officials, especially the front runners of the nomination (doing us a favor newsom will doom us all working off their republican light status quo campaigning, further right than Nixon, or GHW Bush.)
So federal investigations/prosecutions on democratic leaders, they will (continue to,) to interfere surreptitiously in democratic primaries and selections to ensure the weakest candidates are chosen, they will try and corrupt county level votes, statewide votes, the software used by those states, (that they have copies of and years to figure how to do it thanks to the 2020 bullshit, lindell gathered all the schematic bullshit for them.) Then if they control the congress they would just vote in their guy.
Plus voter suppression, taking people off of rolls in democratic districts. Then cancelling votes after the fact, signature matching type stuff. Other such ways of finding votes.
Worth another mention, many states gave their legislatures the ability to vote faithless electors in definance of the popular vote, GA for instance but a bunch. Texas I think removed that part from their voter bill they passed with the rest of the red states around 2021 on the furor of their failed election theft projections. So we have republican lawmakers with two avenues of cheating the popular vote. And the republican legislatures are cemented in with gerrymandering, only amendments giving the drawing of districts to independent bodies, as AZ, then MI did, the latter by voter sponsored referedum that passed with some 67 % in 2018.
Too much to really cover here, Bannon had his precinct level scheme after 2020, where they get their cheat friendly people in at county levels. Regardless everyone in the party not down with cheating has been purged. Plenty otherwise reasonably well intentioned people in their party that live in an alternate reality feel justified in their party cheating because they think the democrats are cheating, their cynical are nihilists.
Really I hoped the democrats would realize what we are up against, and find some loyalty, preventing the fixing of elections is their reason for being, the point of that oath they took. But they refuse to save the republic, seemingly oblivious but more likely they do not think it will hurt them, despite the fact that if they were involved in systematic cheating for years, they would have to be punished.
there is, barely anything meaningful will change, hence why schumer doesnt act very concerned about the elections.
Stop conceded to the fascists. The elections are run by the states. How are they going to “cancel” elections when there are thousands of local offices holding elections this year?
Oh Jesus Christ the bait here is real
I think they want y’all to continue selling this fear for them so they can cheat again and say OH FIRST THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO ELECTION NOW WE CHEATED?!
Setting y’all up. (I get it, he said it, but it’s part of the theater)
Don’t forget that Russia has elections.
I agree that Trump will try to cancel them, but if he does it will truly be the end for him. I am watching Milwaukee and I no longer believe Americans will sit still and let him cancel midterms. The opposition to Trump took a pathetically long time to get going, but it is finally going.
Wait so you are telling me the moon is not made of cheese!?!?
Yeah, but see, you’re under the false impression that Americans will go left instead.
There is no left option so how would they? They kill left populism in the cradle. The democratic establishment sees that as their reason for being, not beating republicans. Next year they may have something else to worry about as republicans might make good on their election theft projections and indict them for false rigging allegations.
there was never a left in the us, aoc, bernie are just release valves to take the pressure of the chuck schumers of the dnc(schumer and all the democrats like him, which is the majority), because they were the reverse mitch mcconnel, mtg and boebart for the dnc.
The writing has been on the wall for decades.
Will they oppose it though? Or just sit on their arses and do nothing?
no, through decades of propaganda they have been conditions either to think nothing will happen or something will “EVENTUALly” put a stop to it. thats why the protests if you call it that are largely ineffective, only a small portion of people are doing it.
No, they want to be thanked for their service and be good bootlickers
As we’ve been seeing, mostly the latter.
He’s already ripped apart the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments at least and no one seems to care, not even the military, who are supposed to defend it.Few elected officials seem to care, but plenty of ordinary people are waking up to the fact that political power is not something you can give away in a vote, it’s something you have to take.
