I’m so conflicted by this. On the one hand it’s incredible that these people are taking a stand and protecting people. On the other hand, the fascist regime is trying to bait people into a violent response so they can start the insurrection act -> martial law -> no more electrons process.
well you can stand up, or sit down and let the fascists do it anyway. it’s coming either way, so either do something, or stay out of the way so other people can stand up for your rights for you.
I get this, and I lean heavily toward armed show of unity of the people. I really hope also that there is a secret left resistance coalition in the military and of all of the discarded generals and higher ups aren’t just sitting around with their thumbs in their asses.
However, this is a very different context than almost any other revolution (outside of in China maybe, but those have not gone well)
The federal state has the processing power and surveillance to literally track down anyone in the US within a week or so if the person is in public, and within a very short time if they have a phone. This has already been shown by the use of Palantir and Flock to coordinate ICE raids and select and track targets, and ICE are untrained complete idiots. If the military gets involved that is much easier.
Public opinion now matters 10x more than it did 50 years ago and when the last panthers were active. The government can easily put down a movement of a few hundred people if they become a problem, unlike previously. Israel has shown this by systematically smart bombing and assassinating all journalists that weren’t caught in carpet bombing.
But if you have 1 million people in a city, united, and 50 million people across the country, that is how regimes fall. If the government targets them, then others will support them instead of backing down. They have to tread very carefully and have a lot of restraint and good community programs and marketing to win community and public support, because otherwise it will be a blip on the news radar if they get murdered.
I said this in another thread, but he’s gonna come up with a reason no matter how flimsy to try to ban the elections. So might as well make your presence known and do this.
I’m conflicted too, but they’re going to do that anyway. If nothing violent happens to resist them, they’re going to make up some bullshit before the election and blow something out of proportion and invoke it anyway, so I don’t think it’s a big deal if the violence happens to them first.
I’m so conflicted by this. On the one hand it’s incredible that these people are taking a stand and protecting people. On the other hand, the fascist regime is trying to bait people into a violent response so they can start the insurrection act -> martial law -> no more electrons process.
I’m so fucking over this shit.
THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY
well you can stand up, or sit down and let the fascists do it anyway. it’s coming either way, so either do something, or stay out of the way so other people can stand up for your rights for you.
I get this, and I lean heavily toward armed show of unity of the people. I really hope also that there is a secret left resistance coalition in the military and of all of the discarded generals and higher ups aren’t just sitting around with their thumbs in their asses.
However, this is a very different context than almost any other revolution (outside of in China maybe, but those have not gone well)
The federal state has the processing power and surveillance to literally track down anyone in the US within a week or so if the person is in public, and within a very short time if they have a phone. This has already been shown by the use of Palantir and Flock to coordinate ICE raids and select and track targets, and ICE are untrained complete idiots. If the military gets involved that is much easier.
Public opinion now matters 10x more than it did 50 years ago and when the last panthers were active. The government can easily put down a movement of a few hundred people if they become a problem, unlike previously. Israel has shown this by systematically smart bombing and assassinating all journalists that weren’t caught in carpet bombing.
But if you have 1 million people in a city, united, and 50 million people across the country, that is how regimes fall. If the government targets them, then others will support them instead of backing down. They have to tread very carefully and have a lot of restraint and good community programs and marketing to win community and public support, because otherwise it will be a blip on the news radar if they get murdered.
I said this in another thread, but he’s gonna come up with a reason no matter how flimsy to try to ban the elections. So might as well make your presence known and do this.
I know this is a reference to something, but I can’t remember who said it. Your point is well taken.
It was the president of the Heritage Foundation who said that after the supreme court granted presidental immunity…
I’m conflicted too, but they’re going to do that anyway. If nothing violent happens to resist them, they’re going to make up some bullshit before the election and blow something out of proportion and invoke it anyway, so I don’t think it’s a big deal if the violence happens to them first.
He will just invoke it and nobody will stop him. He doesnt need a reason, he will just do it.