• SmoothOperator@lemmy.world
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    Nah, it doesn’t. Utilitarianism is pretty useless; in this case, it’s pretty fucking clear that the IDF are utility monsters.

    Don’t worry, utility monsters aren’t real. A utilitarian would say the “benefit” the IDF reaps from doing genocide is completely dwarfed by the suffering they cause.

    And what do you mean by “basic universalism”?

    That all individuals have equal value independent of race or belief or religion or whatever. A fundamental element of EA.

    Singer is trying his best not to say what is obviously true (genocide bad)

    Sure, I don’t really care about him, as I said, we’re allowed to apply the EA framework without him leading the way.

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      1 month ago

      you noticed that debate wasn’t allowed here and then turned an entire thread into a pointless fucking debate. thanks for that. fuck off.

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        I just don’t see how all these people come in, get insulted, and realise no one here is debating them and just finding ways to clown on them. I will never get it. Thanks tho, this was super dull and I regret everything

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          I was hoping they’d get interesting so I didn’t jump on banning them, but holy shit did they ever take so much space in the thread to say fucking nothing. now I’m pruning hopefully just enough so viewers can get a taste of how much horseshit they were spewing without being tempted to take up more space continuing any of it.

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      Don’t worry, utility monsters aren’t real. A utilitarian would say the “benefit” the IDF reaps from doing genocide is completely dwarfed by the suffering they cause.

      lol. Utilitarianism requires you to come up with some way to quantify the utility of an action. Such a system isn’t real, so a utilitarian just makes shit up about utility according to whatever agenda they have in mind. Case in point: Zionists, of which EA is rife with.