Will not happen. Companies in EU are not underregulated.
Can we not? Silicon Valley sucks and imo hasn’t done anything innovative for a long time.
I don’t think that they haven’t been innovative. Moreso, there’s a deliberate strategy by FAANG/MIC companies to buy (or bury) smaller startups that are innovating.
Then those bigger companies mothball the tech with no plan to sell or market their acquisitions, nor release the IP rights on what they own.
It’s not so much that there’s no innovation, it’s just good old fashioned tech monopoly behavior.
good old fashioned
techmonopoly behavior
Yes, another Silicon Valley is definitely what we need ☠️
Starting with the assumption that the US does many technology related things better, we should just adopt a mantra of making second-best copies of whatever the US does better.
Catching up is always quicker and cheaper than being the first to get there.
Invest in copying.
Even better, do it in the public! FOSS is the way to go
Yup. Just make the copying blatantly obvious and protect the new project from copyright/IP claims.
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Finally, first real feasible comment about EU catching up to US and China. This is how countries like Korea, despite how tiny it is compared to the EU, still grow so well economically and stay #1 in various areas of competition. They play ‘catch up then compete’ game so well and are probably the best at it. They become #2 or top 5 or whatever in many things, synthesise them together to become #1. Even integrated solutions of these #2 offerings combined are what makes their packaged offerings so compelling.
“We will produce our own TechBros™ with blackjack and hookers.”
It’s good that something is finally being done.
Instead of just copying big tech from silicon fucking valley, we could also improve on it somewhat, such as making the software open source.
GDPR was a good move. Hopefully others are soon on the way.
Instead, there seems to be a promise to not tax or fine them, in addition to giving them encryption backdoors on its citizens, and beg to buy overpriced Nvidia chips to give it all to skynet. Reward is 30% tariffs to US sales on everything.
lol
I’m an American who has worked in tech for nearly 30 years and I fully support this, so much so that I’m considering moving to Europe to help build it.
Likewise. Actively trying to figure out how to network out of the United States.
Even if you are American, you should support this movement. The best way to end or reverse enshittification is through competition. The big American tech companies are no longer competing to make good or innovative products. They are competing to see who can monetize the most while risking the least.
Ban might be a bit much, but we’re using tariffs and taxes as a confrontational trade war measure. Might as well use them in return and funnel the proceeds into homegrown solutions that can compete legitimately.
And please hurry.
you don’t have to have a silicon valley
That choice was made years ago. This is like native Americans realizing that they have to invent rifles.
We have a lot of expertise in the field of technology and the building of this kind of systems, so that is not the problem.
Citation needed. Who has the knowledge to create social networks or neural networks in Europe? Who is going to make them popular?
Lemmy would be promoted much more if people cared about creating European data, with a neccessary debate about copy rights.
The Netherlands has ASML that could produce the chips needed for AI.
That’s one part of the process. Others can buy ASML machines but only TSMC has the best processes to build the most efficient chips and yet again other companies know how to design those chips.
This is USSR playing catch-up with Western digital technology all over again. It’s a bit arrogant to think that Europe can do it simply by dedicating resources to it. Those in power have ignored those who knew what was coming. How are they going to know to whom they should listen now?
No Eurotechbro stuff, thanks.
European tech? Sure. But only if fully decentralised, peer to peer, FOSS, copyleft and all that.
And oh also, bars out fascists.
Yes, please!
So not monetizable. Will never happen, too many interests, and EU is always weak to bribes.
And without surveillance and that surveillance capitalism that only helps fascists and people from Pinochet to Duterte to Trump to do human right violations. Europe has data protection because it has human rights, and it has human rights because our history has taught bitter lessons about totalitarism. We need a way forward - not back.
Then it has to be tax funded and will never be self sufficient unfortunately. That means if political winds change, these products will die.
This is just me being a realist. I would of course prefer all of Europe to move to FOSS for the public sector.
I understand your tempered position. I really do.
But allow me to go on a bit of a rant here…
All the big tech companies in Silicon Valley have aways been heavily subsidised by the U.S. government without the U.S. taxpayers having any stakeholders’ position afterwards. These should have always been partially within the public owned infrastructure given how they were funded by the public. Amazon is probably the most ridiculous case in the world in how long they weren’t profitable and remained subsidised by the government to even be able to exist.
So, in regards if FOSS should be tax funded… yes. Because of the very reason I just mentioned. All big tech was and still is tax funded. With them taking even more money from people as costumers after already having taken money from them as taxpayers. While also just selling everyone entirely as a profile to get ad revenue from or as a surveilled citizen to serve on a platter to whichever government they want to influence further. This is insanely corrupt as a system. It should’ve not been allowed to even establish itself.
I think everyone who supports FOSS and open protocols is very aware of the pitfalls and uphill struggles to implement them against the current system. But I find that the general apathy and the further complacency of the general public is the true paramount adversity.
When you say “this is me being a realist”, it is you accepting the reality that was imposed onto you by the people who are benefitting from its’ imposition. Even more than the typical manufactured consent of capitalism, this is enforced submission to those rejecting the manufactured consent. Because from the rest of your comment, and the fact that you are here on Lemmy, you clearly do not consent to this reality, but you’ve accepted it as an inevitability. Which it isn’t, as we are not in the grounds of that reality having this exchange right now.
Taxpayers should fund FOSS and open protocol software because it protects them long term. One quick example would be how to this day nobody can close protocols on email and how anyone can create their email and host the server if they so desire. It obviously requires skill and knowledge, but if one has them, nobody can prevent them from doing it for themselves or even others if they so desire. This is an absolute insurance that the system can’t dictate one’s individual terms.
And while the Fediverse may be very small in comparison to the general establishment, it is large enough as proof to present anyone who doubts that there is a way to get back to the true promise of the internet and that we can indeed get back our sovereignty from the conglomerates that destroyed that promise.
And the political winds can change in whatever direction they may, it doesn’t matter, as it can’t and won’t destroy the resiliency of the concept. I just joined piefed.social after the Lemm.ee shutdown, and it doesn’t matter because this is a resilient concept. And that is also the reason it cannot be contained or controlled by anyone over anyone.
Sorry for the very long reply. I hope I wasn’t as annoying to you as I feel I am being. If so, I apologise even more.
Cheers.
No. Standards might be tax funded and adherence to them enforced.
A market of resources (to provide services via standard way) is possible - standard format search, standard format service tracking, standard format storage service, and what not.
Only if they’d want that, of course. They literally say what they want - a Silicon Valley. With all the dystopian shit.
