2025-22-08: Due to a (suspected .ml) troll spamming the comment section, you’ll now need to sort the comments by “Top” to see the actual comments from users on this post.

Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It’s having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!

And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”

I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.

So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

Noteworthy Selection

Full collection list at the end

Dessalines - Head .ml admin - Head Lemmy Dev

“Slava Ukraini” is considered a “Fascist slogan” - https://lemmy.world/post/36065538

“NK is actually good, and anything counter to that is Western LIES” - https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

“The BBC is not a credible news source” - https://lemmy.world/post/35824465

Showing support for Ukraine on .ml is worthy of a site ban - https://lemmy.world/post/32775563

Open declaration of support for Russia - https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! - https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

Censoring criticism of China while allowing fellow “in-crowd” user “concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” misinfo to remain - https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

Censoring when users call out propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Discussing winnie the pooh and/or the negatives of china is a 30 day ban - https://lemmy.world/post/35374967

Davel - .ml admin

Spreading anti-ukraine Russian propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/34655572

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet - https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” - https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

Response to a valid report of “NK is actually good” as propaganda/misinfo https://lemmy.world/post/32627834

Removal of a credible article that was on the Uyghur genocide - https://lemmy.world/post/33205310

It’s totally fine when Russia kills woman and children, war is war after all - https://lemmy.world/post/33224299

Nutomic - 2nd in command Lemmy Dev

Their continued transphobia - https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

General Tankie user behaviour

“Propaganda is good actually” - https://lemmy.world/post/36162233

“The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it’s actually a good thing a state has that much power!” https://lemmy.world/post/30010789

Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

Biden is worse than Trump - https://lemmy.world/post/33631617

Uyghur Genocide denialism - https://lemmy.world/post/33873969

Full Collection

Evidence of bans, censorship and bias to push their 'ideology'

https://lemmy.world/post/34395059

https://lemmy.world/post/32720369

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32471440

https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/35254858

https://lemmy.world/post/32222856

https://lemmy.world/post/32426343

https://lemmy.world/post/32058315

https://lemmy.world/post/35919814

https://lemmy.world/post/32775892

https://lemmy.world/post/33554899

https://lemmy.world/post/33194656

https://lemmy.world/post/34502019

https://lemmy.world/post/34502777

https://lemmy.world/post/34503244

https://lemmy.world/post/35919218

https://lemmy.world/post/36120253

https://lemmy.world/post/36120386

https://lemmy.world/post/32825174

https://lemmy.world/post/32426884

https://lemmy.world/post/32191006

https://lemmy.world/post/32720652

https://lemmy.world/post/32676095

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/32221990

https://lemmy.world/post/32222278

https://lemmy.world/post/32222991

https://lemmy.world/post/32223697

https://lemmy.world/post/32224698

https://lemmy.world/post/32425984

https://lemmy.world/post/31569892

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31596159

https://lemmy.world/post/30665418

https://lemmy.world/post/30876228

https://lemmy.world/post/31090903

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/29490804

https://lemmy.world/post/29507466

https://lemmy.world/post/29878102

https://lemmy.world/post/29980157

https://lemm.ee/post/65494823

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing known propaganda outlets, altered headlines and general misinfo tactics

https://lemmy.world/post/32764202

https://lemmy.world/post/32323822

https://lemmy.world/post/32283425

https://lemmy.world/post/32289824

https://lemmy.world/post/32337368

https://lemmy.world/post/30843744

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953


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  • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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    “Tankie” DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING. If you have legitimate criticism, it is impossible to frame it in those terms. If you have something to say, fucking say it, and don’t hide behind this kind of childish slander and name calling. It makes the whole endeavor look churlish and motivated by the wrong intentions.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

      Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

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        Although there is not really a concrete definition, recent work by Petterson [87] provides a succinct description of tankies:

        Tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China etc.

        https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.06981

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          Why how odd you didn’t copy the entire block

          What is a “tankie?” Tankie was originally a pejorative term referring to communists who supported the USSR’s invasion of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 [87, 96]. Over the years, the context of the usage of tankie evolved. For example, it has been used to express derision towards pro-Soviet hardliners [42], to describe communists who support China’s policies [69] (e.g., supporters of China’s actions on Uyghurs [95] and the Hong Kong protests [7]), as well as young, online Stalinists in general [44].

          Thus, tankie is now used to describe much more than the set of communists who supported specific events from the Soviet era. The term tankie now covers communists who support “Actually Existing Socialist” (AES) countries; especially those with a Stalinist or authoritarian leaning.

          Thus it is of wide spread usage to mean “authoritarian communists” regardless of whether or not it’s in a bonafide dictionary. Which, I might add, is a follower not a leader in language.

          Furthermore, the entirety of their large scale study seems to be based on that definition

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            I think Petterson’s succinct definition is one of the best ones I’ve encountered, but the one in that study isn’t too bad—it’s certainly better than Wikipedia’s. I take issue with just two of the terms:

            Stalinist is just a pejorative for Marxist-Leninist, and authoritarianism is a practically useless word that’s based purely on one’s ideology.

            All states are authoritarian because they have monopolies on the use of violence. Liberals don’t view the routine weaponization of the bourgeois state against poor people as authoritarianism, but will instantly decry the reverse as such. Thus, a billionaire landlord evicting a single mother isn’t characterized as authoritarian, but Maoists giving landlords the boot is. Germany seizing the bank accounts of critics of Israel (as happened recently) isn’t labeled authoritarian, but the Stasi doing the same to corrupt capitalists in East Germany was.

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              and authoritarianism is a practically useless word that’s based purely on one’s ideology.

              All states are authoritarian because they have monopolies on the use of violence. Liberals don’t view the routine weaponization of the bourgeois state against poor people as authoritarianism, but will instantly decry the reverse as such. Thus, a billionaire landlord evicting a single mother isn’t characterized as authoritarian, but Maoists giving landlords the boot is. Germany seizing the bank accounts of critics of Israel (as happened recently) isn’t labeled authoritarian, but the Stasi doing the same to corrupt capitalists in East Germany was.

              Aaand we’ve reached authoritarianism isn’t real. Go ask average people what they think “authoritarianism” means and you’ll get answers that center around suppressing freedom of speech, journalism, censorship.

              Are there people who do call your examples authoritarianism? Absolutely. But there are also real people who claim the earth is flat.

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                So you don’t think taking away someone’s bank account for their comments counts as suppressing free speech? Do you even read what you type?

                Censorship? Like when the authoritarian Western regimes and corporations ban all Russian and Chinese journalism?

                “bUt ThAt’S dIsInfOrMaTiOn!”

                And that’s exactly what they say of American news media propaganda!

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                  hey, tankie dipshit, question

                  why can’t you be gay in russia? why doesn’t china have same sex marriage?

                  why would anyone who’s LGBTQIA2+ ever move to these shitholes?

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    In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can’t support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

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        Checks the screenshots. Extremely mid take regarding sports that’s shared by a lot of people that aren’t terminally online. Transphobe, alright.

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      Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.

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      Cutting off funding because of political differences is stupid. Would you rather this go down the same path as Reddit?

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        (different user here)

        No, but I want the funds to only be used for Lemmy development, not for their tankie server. They are the ones that make it impossible to do one without the other.

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      If we all stop donating to Lemmy just because the devs are being tankies, how will Lemmy survive?

      I don’t want to go back to the bot-ridden reddit with its elon-simping CEO.

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        If the devs being tankies kills this space then it doesn’t matter.

        I like Lemmy too, but i don’t like it enough to financially support transphobic fascists.

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          Every service or product we use is owned by powerful people far worse than the Lemmy developers.

          If we all boycott lemmy and let it burn then we have go back to profit oriented bot infested social media at the end. By design lemmy isnt owned by lemmy devs and we can block their instance by a single click.

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            How are pro-genocide fake-communists (russia is an authoritarian capitalist state, China is a capitalist society) any better than American oligarchs?

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              Ideologically, they’re not. In practice though, the tankies of Lemmy have virtually no power, while the tech bros behind Trump control or influence much of the Western world.

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      I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there

      I’m in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea

      but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

      LMAO “Donate directly to me and you won’t have to worry about it! Butttt it’ll still go to the exact thing you’re opposed to.”

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    Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I’ve been exposed to has dramatically dropped.

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    cause nobody wants to get dragged into a ten page discussion about why China and Russia are the most democratic countries in the world

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    I actually like seeing their posts on my main account. It allows me to keep up with their lingua franca, so I can more easily identify their alts on normal instances, so I know not to attempt to engage in good faith.

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        Is usually not individual words, that’s the point. They scrub certain words and phrases to try and hide but they still have a certain way of speaking that you don’t hear anywhere else.

        It’s like some people I work with. They don’t use any bigoted slurs or quote crime statistics in my presence but they say other things. Things that normal people, including myself, might say, but they say them in a way that I never hear them said outside of some of the uglier parts of the internet or in a certain kind of company. They don’t even know they’re doing it, they think they’re hiding but they keep saying things that in a safe space, for them, is followed with a sentence that contains bigoted language.

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    I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.

    The less of that garbage, the better.

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    Lemmy.ml seems to just downvote different opinions in masse without responding with respect.

    After a few attempts to engage respectfully and just getting negative interactions I just blocked them entirely.

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    I think the whole “saying anything different from what we like? You’re banned” thing is also playing a good part.

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    I got banned to 40 days from .ml memes for arguing that the republicans were worse than the democrats or something mild like that.

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      Sorry about the delay in my reply to you.

      First of all your argument can be basically summed up as “They didn’t LITERALLY say those things, so it’s all invalid” like LMAO it’s called interpreting ones actions and subtext

      For example, with this

      No Dessalines didn’t literally say they openly support Russia, but the meme they posted says it. It states that if you support Palestine and Russia (aka fitting into the upper right quadrant), you “understand the core of geopolitics”

      And dessalines very much positions himself as someone who “understands the core of geopolitics” so…put 2 and 2 together lol

      Second, it was quite disingenuous of you to not even mention the “Full Collection” listing which is probably 50 links deep with a variety of evidence that any number of paints a clear picture of the censorship, what they support, the ideology and literal propaganda they spread or allow to spread.

      Finally, I’d like to point out that your rebuttal thread sits at a 0 after over a month for the !rant@lemmy.sdf.org version, with quite a controversial voting total.

      Note, that instance that comm is on is probably one of the most federated instances on the Threadiverse, as a matter of their instance policy they have a very very light touch on defederation. Your write up had the widest possible exposure and still couldn’t end with a net positive. Along with a very wide range of comments.

      But, your hexbear version, on probably the most defederated and blocked instance, ended with a positive 80 or something when I last saw, with nearly every comment just being in agreement. That’s an echo chamber right there LMAO

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    Like it or not, we can shine a light and hope they see.

    I am as libertarian (as opposed to authoritarian) as they come, and I still hope I (and others who share my sentiment) will be able to convince them the merits of a world with human rights, diplomacy, and freedom — that is not needlessly violent and forceful.

    We can move past barbarism, but to do so we must define what comes next to those who have shut their hearts to the truth — especially to those who have spent arguably too much time reliving the horrific violence of the 20th century.

    I don’t need to boycott them, I don’t feel the need to block them. Everybody is within their rights to do so though, but I will keep slowly trying to win them over to the idea of a more kind and free world.

    Creating Lemmy and the fediverse is of incredible value to humanity. They provided a timely medicine to the internet — a decentralized platform that is not controlled by an American corporation and ruled by algorithms. I don’t feel like it’s a lost cause to do my best.

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    Idk, I personally find that ML isnt that bad. Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world. In addition I have had far more genuene conversations on ml communities and with ml users. However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it “tankie” (yes even Anarchist discussion). Due to that it has become abundantly clear to me that the term “tankie” has very little if anything to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with leftism.

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        I have, I have also seen world comms ban even mild critique of the Democrats. For people who claim to hate tankies y’all do enforce blind loyalty to the party quite often.

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          I’ll go say fuck Pelosi, fetterman, and whoever else you want on world if you say “free Taiwan” on ml and we’ll see what happens.