I was being silly, but for real even if there is an objective reality (reasonable but hard to prove) it’s going to be perceived reality that’s relevant for most human matters.
Strongly disagree. Your perception of what the most efficient method of energy generation is, is entirely irrelevant. Your perception of geology and biology is entirely irrelevant. Opinion and feelings are not acceptable substitutions for objective reality.
I’d argue objective reality is irrelevant, if everyone thinks Pelletiers are more efficient than stream turbines then that’s what’s going to get built. Maybe the use breeder reactors in the Realm of Forms, but here I’m stuck with coal because of PR.
Remember when I said “We will not accept fallacies or claims without evidence”? The fallacy you just provided is called argumentum ad populum. Did you know that billions of people CAN all be wrong?
To answer your question, the bible is a useful tool for controlling the stupid masses. It’s a weapon, a cancer, aggressively pushed on us until we all choke on it.
If you’re so smart why are you 12?
I am 34. Check out my website. I wrote a song about the abuse your cult inflicted on me. https://snoopsqueak.com/
Twelve-year-olds with more intellectual integrity than you can identify the bible as a contradictory work of fiction.
Do you have any actual arguments, any specific responses to the points I have made? Or is this disconnected dumbassery all you have?
People who read Wikipedia’s list of fallacies page? We’re both in that.
The bible is for sure utterly contradictory and mostly fiction, but there’s also some decent opinion based stuff and some fuzzy history. But it’s one of humanity’s most important cultural artefacts, it’s still worth knowing something about.
I have more dumbassery too, but you have to ration such valuable stuff.
Are you telling me you’re stupid enough to defend a bible you don’t believe in? Did you… read it? Yahweh is a death god. Check my original comment. I made very specific arguments you still have not responded to.
The bible is for sure utterly contradictory and mostly fiction
It is a relief to hear you say so.
but there’s also some decent opinion based stuff and some fuzzy history.
It’s mostly deadly bullshit and outright lies. For example, the Exodus basically didn’t happen. No global flood. No 6-day creation. No resurrection. Jesus did not invent the golden rule, nor did he live by it.
But it’s one of humanity’s most important cultural artefacts, it’s still worth knowing something about.
I was raised on it, I know much about it. Hence my criticisms. Meanwhile, all you have offered is “you bible bad” with no explanation for how my interpretation is wrong or what you think would be better.
I have more dumbassery too, but you have to ration such valuable stuff.
You need to be smart about it to deconvert people. Like, you need to understand the real stupid reasons people accept this religion, but you forgot or were never into most of it.
Shut the fuck up. I was violently indoctrinated by my abusive christian parents. I know too much about it. I lived with a god in my head for decades. I know no one has good reason to pretend any god exists. It’s deadly, selfish delusion every time. It’s fear, an inability to say “I don’t know”. They submit because they are afraid of their violent abuser, and they call it “love”. It’s stupid. It’s point-blank stupid.
I know why people lie. They’re scared. But that’s not good enough. Their choices are killing us all. It is intolerable. There is no excuse for it.
The hard part is getting them to admit it. They’ve trapped themselves in circular logic. They’re smug about it, proud of their wrong choices. They refuse to apply critical thought because they’re selfish, lazy, scared, incapable of facing reality. They need constant pushback from all directions to counter the constant reinforcement of their baseless ideas they give themselves and each other.
I can’t deconvert anybody. They have to be confronted with sufficient evidence to trigger a change. Barring that, the least we can do is tell them how wrong they are with hopes it will sink in later.
It should be this simple: all life depends on the truth that defines it. There is only one truth. Falsehoods divide us, threaten all life. There is no evidence, argument, or reason to believe in god’s existence. Therefore, it is in everybody’s best interests not to pretend there is a god. The alternative is needless suffering and death.
I can’t understand why that isn’t enough for people. Their shortsighted idiocy is killing us now. We need to do more, faster.
We need to attack the emotional basis first I think. First of all, quite a lot of people just take for granted what those higher up in the hierarchy tell them. They use it as a compass of right, and wrong. And for many, doing wrong is mentally “impossible”. This is before you take into account what religion does to people.
Then there’s the existential terror. Religion outright explains away everything as some divine being’s plan. Do this to be in the right, and you will literally live forever. Do that, and you hurn in hell. They are terrified of a world with no justice, where they will just cease to exist, and everything they did was for nothing. They will cling to even the most miserable of hope.
I suppose you need to offer some hope, catch them in a good mood. “How could god kill an army of 200000 when there were only like 20000 max” rarely works. They will always pull out another excuse, like “there were more people before the flood” or “God is just punishing us for our sins/this is for our own good in the end” type of crap.
You need to figure out if possible WHY they believe in a God in the first place, disarm them emotionaly, let them explain the theology in such a way, that they see the inconsistencies themselves. Ask them “so what is it you really even believe in? What are you betting your whole existance, and other’s on?”.
Ask them if a reasonable person would think like this, do they really want to follow a God who does the things he does [point out specific examples]. Ask them to summon a fire tornado to consume you, why God does not fulfill his promises, if they can really trust a God that does all that, based on only his word alone?
We’ll never know, you never tried. I’m not doing this because I enjoy it. I want to spare anyone from suffering the fate that befell me. There are more victims every day, but you don’t give a shit.
You’re bad at bible
Would you like to offer any arguments?
We will not accept fallacies or claims without evidence.
No one capable of thinking critically takes the bible seriously. It is a laughably stupid book that selfish, frightened morons use to cause real harm.
Then why is it the best selling book of all time?
If you’re so smart why are you 12?
Lol is this serious? You realize that just because a lot of people believe something doesn’t automatically give it a single shred of authenticity.
Theoretical question, if Harry Potter were to eventually sell more copies, would that make it more authoritative than the bible?
Yes, the free market decides
I didn’t know reality was so malleable as to be manipulated by belief.
I was being silly, but for real even if there is an objective reality (reasonable but hard to prove) it’s going to be perceived reality that’s relevant for most human matters.
Strongly disagree. Your perception of what the most efficient method of energy generation is, is entirely irrelevant. Your perception of geology and biology is entirely irrelevant. Opinion and feelings are not acceptable substitutions for objective reality.
I’d argue objective reality is irrelevant, if everyone thinks Pelletiers are more efficient than stream turbines then that’s what’s going to get built. Maybe the use breeder reactors in the Realm of Forms, but here I’m stuck with coal because of PR.
Remember when I said “We will not accept fallacies or claims without evidence”? The fallacy you just provided is called argumentum ad populum. Did you know that billions of people CAN all be wrong?
To answer your question, the bible is a useful tool for controlling the stupid masses. It’s a weapon, a cancer, aggressively pushed on us until we all choke on it.
I am 34. Check out my website. I wrote a song about the abuse your cult inflicted on me. https://snoopsqueak.com/
Twelve-year-olds with more intellectual integrity than you can identify the bible as a contradictory work of fiction.
Do you have any actual arguments, any specific responses to the points I have made? Or is this disconnected dumbassery all you have?
Man, you’re really committed. I appreciate.
E: some videos are a bit sad, I hope you get better soon
What’s my cult?
People who read Wikipedia’s list of fallacies page? We’re both in that.
The bible is for sure utterly contradictory and mostly fiction, but there’s also some decent opinion based stuff and some fuzzy history. But it’s one of humanity’s most important cultural artefacts, it’s still worth knowing something about.
I have more dumbassery too, but you have to ration such valuable stuff.
Are you telling me you’re stupid enough to defend a bible you don’t believe in? Did you… read it? Yahweh is a death god. Check my original comment. I made very specific arguments you still have not responded to.
It is a relief to hear you say so.
It’s mostly deadly bullshit and outright lies. For example, the Exodus basically didn’t happen. No global flood. No 6-day creation. No resurrection. Jesus did not invent the golden rule, nor did he live by it.
I was raised on it, I know much about it. Hence my criticisms. Meanwhile, all you have offered is “you bible bad” with no explanation for how my interpretation is wrong or what you think would be better.
Cute. People are dying for this shit.
You need to be smart about it to deconvert people. Like, you need to understand the real stupid reasons people accept this religion, but you forgot or were never into most of it.
Shut the fuck up. I was violently indoctrinated by my abusive christian parents. I know too much about it. I lived with a god in my head for decades. I know no one has good reason to pretend any god exists. It’s deadly, selfish delusion every time. It’s fear, an inability to say “I don’t know”. They submit because they are afraid of their violent abuser, and they call it “love”. It’s stupid. It’s point-blank stupid.
I know why people lie. They’re scared. But that’s not good enough. Their choices are killing us all. It is intolerable. There is no excuse for it.
The hard part is getting them to admit it. They’ve trapped themselves in circular logic. They’re smug about it, proud of their wrong choices. They refuse to apply critical thought because they’re selfish, lazy, scared, incapable of facing reality. They need constant pushback from all directions to counter the constant reinforcement of their baseless ideas they give themselves and each other.
I can’t deconvert anybody. They have to be confronted with sufficient evidence to trigger a change. Barring that, the least we can do is tell them how wrong they are with hopes it will sink in later.
It should be this simple: all life depends on the truth that defines it. There is only one truth. Falsehoods divide us, threaten all life. There is no evidence, argument, or reason to believe in god’s existence. Therefore, it is in everybody’s best interests not to pretend there is a god. The alternative is needless suffering and death.
I can’t understand why that isn’t enough for people. Their shortsighted idiocy is killing us now. We need to do more, faster.
We need to attack the emotional basis first I think. First of all, quite a lot of people just take for granted what those higher up in the hierarchy tell them. They use it as a compass of right, and wrong. And for many, doing wrong is mentally “impossible”. This is before you take into account what religion does to people.
Then there’s the existential terror. Religion outright explains away everything as some divine being’s plan. Do this to be in the right, and you will literally live forever. Do that, and you hurn in hell. They are terrified of a world with no justice, where they will just cease to exist, and everything they did was for nothing. They will cling to even the most miserable of hope.
I suppose you need to offer some hope, catch them in a good mood. “How could god kill an army of 200000 when there were only like 20000 max” rarely works. They will always pull out another excuse, like “there were more people before the flood” or “God is just punishing us for our sins/this is for our own good in the end” type of crap.
You need to figure out if possible WHY they believe in a God in the first place, disarm them emotionaly, let them explain the theology in such a way, that they see the inconsistencies themselves. Ask them “so what is it you really even believe in? What are you betting your whole existance, and other’s on?”.
Ask them if a reasonable person would think like this, do they really want to follow a God who does the things he does [point out specific examples]. Ask them to summon a fire tornado to consume you, why God does not fulfill his promises, if they can really trust a God that does all that, based on only his word alone?
That of an Anectodal book?
I don’t think I’d enjoy having a serious discussion with you
We’ll never know, you never tried. I’m not doing this because I enjoy it. I want to spare anyone from suffering the fate that befell me. There are more victims every day, but you don’t give a shit.
Fuck you.
You’ve been telling me a lot about myself! Are you psychic?
No, actually you are - that & logic.