edit: muting this thread, goodbye.

  • kwedd@feddit.nlEnglish
    126·
    8 days ago

    Finally! This place just isn’t the same without pics of pigs shitting on their own balls.

            • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              32·
              8 days ago

              i won’t pretend it’s perfectly done but you know hexbear is a left unity instance that explicitly welcomes anarchists, yeah?

              • kwedd@feddit.nlEnglish
                4·
                8 days ago

                While I have seen one or two anarchists post messages there, if I see a hexbear account, I do pretty much assume they are Leninist-Marxist, or at least very comfortable among LM’s. I don’t spend much time there, though, so perhaps that’s an unfair prejudice.

                • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  20·
                  8 days ago

                  or at least very comfortable among [MLs]

                  well yes, such is the nature of co-existing in a left unity space. anyway our anarchists are definitely a minority but they’re about. i can think of at least one prominent mod who is a proud anarchist and i know there are others as well (admittedly this is not the sort of thing i would ordinarily keep track of tbh)

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  18·
                  8 days ago

                  Why are you swapping Lenin and Marx? Nobody calls themselves an LM, I’ve never seen anyone write it that way.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              233·
              8 days ago

              I used to, actually! If more people in general read Anarchist theory, the world would probably be a much better place. That being said, I do prefer Marxism. Thanks for sharing!

              • dil [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                131·
                8 days ago

                Do you have pointers to help me understand what makes you prefer Marxism? I know there’s been a bunch of discourse on it already, and this probably isn’t the spot where we resolve it, but I’m relatively new to leftism and am interested in learning more.

                Short(ish) version I have for preferring anarchism to Marxism:

                My ultimate end goal is that everyone ascend Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and self actualize.

                Self actualization requires freedom, agency, and control over things you care about. Pursuing self actualization is hard, though, and human brains want to be lazy.

                I’m anti-capitalist, but a positive of (small-scale) capitalism is that it incentivizes individuals to think, “What should exist, but doesn’t? What can I do that others would like?” and then actually go do it. Our aim should be to encourage those types of actions, but with an incentive structure that doesn’t result in… this.

                My concern is that a centralized state will result in folks voluntarily giving up their agency over stuff administered by the state, since it’s easier than feeling ownership of it. Over time, I worry this would would atrophy individuals’ agency and result in a kind of bystander effect, where folks look for the state to do things for them.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  161·
                  8 days ago

                  Thanks for asking! I’m going to oversimplify, so please, feel free to ask for elaboration!

                  For starters, I generally agree that values like freedom and agency are important. I personally believe that this isn’t a choice we can make, though, but is a product of our material conditions and resources. The best path to happiness is to improve production and to do so along a cooperative and democratic plan.

                  The reason I am a Marxist (specifically ML) is because Marx simply makes the most compelling arguments for how to get there, and why, as well as the existence of real Marxist aligned societies we can see in action. His observations like markets naturally centralizing and developing the tools for planning makes sense, we just need to nationalize large firms and key industries, and gradually fold the small firms in as they grow into large firms.

                  What you describe as a problem may happen, but not likely at a systemic level in a manner that cannot be addressed.

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    738·
    8 days ago

    hexbear-specter

    There is a spectre is haunting Lemmy — the spectre of hexbear . All the powers of new lemmy have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre

    • AlexisFR@jlai.luEnglish
      22·
      7 days ago

      it won’t work, they defederated us and I still see their cancer here.

      • Blaze (he/him) @lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3613·
        8 days ago

        If it’s a joke, that’s all good. It’s just that some other people don’t make jokes, they try to hide instance beefing messages in some memes, and that usually just brings negativity in the comments.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5211·
          8 days ago

          There are a few users that come to mind with that, haha. Seems drama baiting is all they do, whether it be by making anti-Marxist memes to draw on drama, or by constantly reposting everything that gets posted on Lemmy.ml on other comms.

          Seriously, 90% of it would probably die down if those accounts stopped. Especially ironic is that seemingly the most anti-Hexbear people are the least capable of describing their overall political views, which IMO explains the counter-productive behavior.

        • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          247·
          8 days ago

          You’re right, I dislike people who deliberately put instance beefing memes onto ml and grad just to annoy them, its like poking a hornets nest.

          • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            1513·
            8 days ago

            I know, won’t someone think of the poor tankies? Tankies are the most oppressed demographic on Lemmy. Not like those privileged trans people with their own whole instance

            • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
              41·
              8 days ago

              I get your point, but at the same time, I feel its just better to leave them by themselves.

              Also, I dislike the tankies there, but there is other cool people on the instance.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.eeEnglish
        211·
        8 days ago

        When Hexbear sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending other cool people. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing flamewars. They’re bringing spam. They’re brigaders. And some, I assume, are good people.

  • Trilobyte@feddit.ukEnglish
    647·
    8 days ago

    Don’t have a problem with what instance you’re on as long as you’re respectful I’ll be respectful back

        • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          142·
          8 days ago

          I get what you mean, and I see the brigading emoji (all/active), but I do feel like hex and grad are both very argumentative, and I don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities or threads either which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

          • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            351·
            8 days ago

            hex and grad are both very argumentative

            i mean we are communists…honestly if you think we’re bad towards y’all you should see some of our more heated discussions amongst ourselves; the only people leftists are more vicious towards than fascists and their enablers are leftists who very slightly disagree with them lol.

            don’t usually see you guys participating in other non-political communities

            possibly that’s because we have comms for a lot of those things (sports, games, movies, anime, etc) and tend to use those instead but that’s just a guess. i won’t speak for anyone else but i find a lot of the memes and stuff on lemmy are a little reddit-flavored for me so i don’t usually engage (since i don’t want to just go in and shit on people having a harmless good time or w/e)

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
            352·
            8 days ago

            Not to overwhelm you with comments, but most Hexbear and Grad users tend to stay on Hex and Grad for non-political content, funny enough. Check out Hex’s general megathreads, or the gaming comm, etc.

            As someone who made a Hexbear alt (not the other way around), it’s a far more pleasant space to relax, IMO. Plus, Communists tend to all be political nerds to begin with.

            • Bloomcole@lemm.eeEnglish
              231·
              8 days ago

              It’s infinitely better for political stuff too.
              Interesting post subjects and comments. (more on grad)
              lemm.ee or .world is 95% "look what stupid irrelevant thing Musk or Trump said now! "
              Not much different from any MSM. Annoying and boring mostly.

            • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
              31·
              8 days ago

              That makes sense, but it does give the impression that they only brigade.
              Though, I can’t think of a single time I have seen a hexbear user outside of hexbear on a non-political thread.

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                201·
                8 days ago

                I see them usually on non-political Lemmy.ml threads, if you avoid them then that explains it. Hexbear keeps a small federation list to protect its marginalized users from harrassment, and also to carve out a uniquely Leftist space.

                • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
                  5·
                  8 days ago

                  I thought hex originally federated with everyone, but when they started refederating they chose an allow-list. Am i wrong? I know that lemmy.world blocked them, which is where a lot of non-political content is.

        • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          41·
          7 days ago

          Hey man, I think you’re taking this slightly too seriously.

          I undestand federation, I have been on the fediverse for two-three years, and have built stuff using activitypub.

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
            96·
            7 days ago

            If you think they’re “brigading” you clearly don’t understand how federation works

              • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                192·
                7 days ago

                90% of threads are pretty boring. Most of the memes posted on Lemmy are the kinds of things I would expect from /r/memes. On the political threads people often make claims that are simply false (i.e. claiming that Marxists or ‘tankies’ love the Russian Federation) so naturally Hexbear will show up to contradict that stuff. You’d be hard pressed to find us organizing “brigades,” we literally just have a unified ideological line that we’re experienced in defending so when we see something that’s easily disproven we disprove it.

              • Pili@lemmy.mlEnglish
                161·
                7 days ago

                Hexbear is a higly politicised instance, it makes sense that people from there are mainly interested in politics and would mostly interact with those posts.

  • Ilixtze@lemm.eeEnglish
    48·
    7 days ago

    Me; new here thinking “hexbear” is the furry server… Oh…

    Well I was half right

  • gens@programming.devEnglish
    5611·
    8 days ago

    I just blocked the whole instance as soon as the option was implemented. There were few good posts/comunities from it, but overall better to block it whole.

    • gigachad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      131·
      8 days ago

      Somehow I can’t block it using Voyager, the only instance appearing is test.hexbear.net. Any idea why?

      • JokeDeity@lemm.eeEnglish
        1914·
        8 days ago

        I’m actually getting pissed, I have hexbear.net and test.hexbear.net both instance blocked in Voyager but can still see these cretins comments. I could tag them all but that would take forever.

        Edit: Fuck it, just blocking them when I see them.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          154·
          8 days ago

          Instance blocking blocks the comms, not the users. You will have to block every user you see if you’re reflexively anti-Hexbear, or move to an instance defederated from them entirely.

          • Mjpasta710@midwest.socialEnglish
            127·
            8 days ago

            If you find their behavior cool… Cool is defined by society, usually.

            Most do not find their behavior remotely cool. They’re absolute hypocritical dissent censoring liars, as a majority.

            What is cool to you?

              • Mjpasta710@midwest.socialEnglish
                148·
                8 days ago

                Open support of dictatorships, for starters.

                They’re not honest about their political policies in the slightest.

                Lying about everything and censorship of dissent. This really is the icing.

                If their ideologies are pure and right, why do they need to silence conversation with imaginary pretenses?

                You’re misrepresenting the actuality of the environment you’re promoting…

                Few may be decent, though the experience of most non trolling has been, the instance is overrun and managed by a lot of narcissistic, hypercritical, and toxic individuals.

          • RandomPrivacyGuy@lemm.eeEnglish
            117·
            8 days ago

            they’re usually pretty cool

            oh boy how i love having the entire discussion thread be derailed by a bunch of angry hexbears spamming stickers

          • JokeDeity@lemm.eeEnglish
            1014·
            8 days ago

            If you want to sit at the table with Nazis, that’s up to you, I have no room for them.

              • JokeDeity@lemm.eeEnglish
                614·
                8 days ago

                Your account is almost 2 years old so you’re either on an instance that hasn’t shown you their shit, you’re ignorant to the real world and how this has been playing out time and time again, or you’re intentionally pretending to not see them for what they are.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  142·
                  8 days ago

                  Communists are far-left, Nazis are far-right. These are diametrically opposed, and are why the Soviets were the most effective anti-Nazi force in World War II, responsible for 90% of Nazi deaths. The Nazis are the most effective anticommunists, that’s why they targeted German Communists first, in both the famous “first they came for” poem and in real life.

                  Hexbear are Communists, full-stop.

                • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
                  135·
                  8 days ago

                  No, my instance has always federated with them and I have not had any problems with Hexbear. They can be loud and boisterous when prompted but as far as Nazi-ism? They are leftists I’m truly confused at what you’re on about. Could you be any more specific?