Tried a similar conversation with my dad last weekend while talking about the “gang members” deported without due process. I said, “you realize without due process even you could be deported. He said “if I’m here illegally let them send me home?” And I said, “without due process how do you prove you’re here legally?”
When people try to argue with me about how President Elon and Trump aren’t Nazis this keeps coming to mind. There is literally no more line between them and the Nazis, because they willingly and intentionally stepped over it after they paid off the supreme court to erase it.
I think this is the biggest cognitive hurdle to convincing Trump supporters to stop supporting him. They’d have to acknowledge how abhorrent his actions and policies are and, since they tie their identity so much to this support, they’d have to in turn acknowledge how they willfully supported fascism.
It is already difficult to convince someone they are wrong. It is a whole other ball game trying to convince someone that their wrongness was catastrophic for their own country and countrymen.
I’m curious how he responded? In the process of attempting to deprogram my own parent.
Silence. But not the kind of silence where you think they might be having an epiphany. The kind of silence where he knew that I was wrong, but he didn’t know why.
Thanks. Frustrating that that is basically what I had assumed, but thanks.
I’ve been noticing a pattern of revoked vesas in the deprotation stories. It’s like:
Step 1) They don’t like this person.
Step 2) Take away whatever makes them legal.
Step 3) Deport the iIIegal imrnigrant!
Always look out for criminal rights. All it takes is the government’s arbitrary wave of the hand to identify anyone as a criminal.
Even the Nazis were given a trial before being deported with the Alien Enemies Act after WWII.
“If you accept that non-citizens have no right to due process, you are accepting that citizens have no right to due process. All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary.” – Timothy Snyder @timothysnyder.bsky.social
Can anyone post a link and the date+time? I don’t want to go to bsky because of their unethical policies like link tracking.
(Wouldn’t it be better to copy paste the texts of things like this, instead of screen caps?)
