• Bytemeister@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 days ago

    Not OP, but conventional hybrids are alright. Plug-In hybrids are kind of a waste, and really only see benefits in very niche situations.

    • AA5B@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      Plug-in hybrids fail because of people. They could cover most or all of a typical commute on battery, but there was that recent study saying people don’t use them that way. If you’re going to treat it like an ICE car, it’s just an ICE car with more weight, that costs more.

      • acosmichippo@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        the problem with PHEVs is the battery is very small, which is a longevity concern. Batteries lose charge capacity based on how many charging cycles they go through. So if you are discharging most of the battery on a daily commute you’re going to kill that battery’s capacity within a few years (like a cell phone).

        • AA5B@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          A great use for the new sodium batteries, assuming they pan out as expected and can scale up quickly. While I still think the PHEV strategy is most appropriate for last decade before batteries were sufficiently developed, a cheaper, longer lasting battery can make them more compelling

    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      . Plug-In hybrids are kind of a waste, and really only see benefits in very niche situations.

      The situation where you commute 25 miles or less, where national average is 16 miles.

        • hcbxzz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          For those times where you do need to go 1000mi without wasting time at a charge station for hours

            • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 days ago

              There are trade-offs to both extra batteries or an ICE engine to drive a PHEV.

              There is no one-size-fits-all, so people will have to evaluate which solution they prefer on a case by case basis. EVs are often (but not always) the better solution, and the market agrees with this on both number of models available and number or units sold.

          • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 days ago

            You can get a shorter range EV if that fits your needs. Gas engine just adds weight and complexity.

            • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              4 days ago

              That’s good, until you need to take a longer trip. At which point you can either have the extra batteries or a gas engine. There are arguments for either solution.

              • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                3 days ago

                In that case, it’s better to just run a conventional hybrid if you frequently need to take long trips.

                • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 days ago

                  Unless you can do most of your day-to-day tasks within the electric range of the PHEV, only needing gas for the infrequent long trips