• Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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    13 days ago

    You know, when you grab a midnight snack, and bring your cat some treats (because you thought it would be fun if you both snacked together)? Then next day, as you’re lunching, she demands “feed me” — because she learned “he eats, I eats”?

    Or when your cats go from “I hate you, get out my lawn cardboard Panzer!” to “Do you even exist?” towards each other, because you’re serving them food?

    That’s what’s happening here, I think. Carnivores are smart enough to notice new opportunities to get food; four legs, two legs, it’s still meat. And also smart enough to only fight others of the same species for scarce resources, not for overabundant ones.

    although recent surveys suggest the birds’ population is growing.

    For now, I think. If human presence in Patagonia became low enough, the situation could revert to what it used to be: more available food, less intraspecific fights → puma population goes up → pumas overhunt penguins, as they’re easier prey than guanacos → the continent stops being “it’s free real penguin state!” to become “don’t come here! Hic sunt dracones! And the dragons go «meow meow I murder you»!” → penguins avoid breeding in the continent → pumas are back hunting guanacos.

    Then they might need to change the logo of the park:

    A complicating factor is that is that the park is relatively small, only 36km of coast. Sure, no human activity in it, but it’s still affected by activity around it; for example it’s possible pumas leave the park off-season, then get killed by some farmers, maintaining their population low enough so penguins don’t see them as a threat. That would make pumas hunting penguins a more permanent part of the local food chain.

    • Not a newt@piefed.ca
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      13 days ago

      You missed one part, which is the possibility that pumas hunt in the park because their food supply outside the park is displaced. This happens in suburban sprawl zones, where coyote habitat is disrupted and suddenly pets start looking like a viable snack.

      • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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        12 days ago

        This, too; it would cause the opposite situation, penguins in the park being overhunted and avoiding the place as not safe.

        …human interaction is always messy, isn’t it?

  • JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social
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    13 days ago

    Can we punch-up that title, perhaps?

    It has to do with Collapse, and we need to do better, unless we’re okay with… well, savagery for what’s left of sapiens, blooming right on the horizon.

    Regardless, the planet which incidentally raised us certainly doesn’t care, oof.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.au
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      13 days ago

      What?

      And this is a good thing, it’s predators returning to an ecosystem after human farming.

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        My dear Deceptichum-- I do believe we wanted better than this, at the end of the day?

        Example-- when you introduce, then species-negate other species, then you’re the classic arsehole, is it not?

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            13 days ago

            Then ACT like it, numbers be hanged.

            EDIT: Nice example of downvotes, eh?

            Meanwhile, c/collapse and r/collapse still own us.

            • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Upvotes won’t stop the 6th Mass Extinction. Combined effort could and your social behaviour isn’t conducive to that end, so please get some help.