Capitalism is working, though. The giant corporations and billionaires are doing great, while workers (MAGA, Democrat, Independent, Unaffiliated, etc) get fucked. Sucks only one party champions these rich assholes as “working for them”…
It ran pretty well for quite a long time. There was still enough to go around. It’s that late-stage capitalism that’s cooking us. That said, it’s not like we can fix it, it’s gonna have to go.
turns out the term “late-stage capitalism” is over a hundred years old . It is difficult to argue that it has been working before that.
the point of electing a democrat isn’t to fix capitalism: it’s to try to make the decay slightly slower.
It’s buying time to organize, for real this time!
but only if it’s for a no kings protest, so only like on a weekend, when the weather is nice, and does’nt stay too late, and doesn’t inconvenience the police, and only that one day, and we don’t allow people to protest with their firearms, and we don’t make any demands, or specify a thing we want changed, and don’t interrupt traffic, nor stop people from entering protested buildings, and we remain respectfully quiet, and the news won’t report on it, and i can still go shopping after, only then will a protest be acceptable.
… and the goal is to maybe get people to vote for the party of normal socital harm escalation
When we did it on a weekday they laughed and said we had no job and regular people said it should be on a weekend.
Eh none of this matters. MAGA are funding buses of people to protest where they want while claiming everyone else pays for buses. We are fucked because we let them fuck us.
my issue isn’t in the legitimacy in the eyes of the news media. it’s very obvious that the media is hostile to progressive direction.
my gripe is that protests are used to diffuse public pressure. it’s a tool to prevent change, another circus. any sort of leverage such a group could get to enact actual change is directly fought against, as unacceptable. their only goal is to get more people to vote democrat. but makes no demands from the democrats and is complicit in its rightward side.
in history peaceful protests do not acheive change as they are easy to ignore, yet we are taught otherwise, and said training conveniently ignored the more uncomfortable implementation of leverage to force change that are instead attributed to these protests. history is white washed in order to protect the stability of the exploitative system. any victims of said system are just collateral
Something something Ted Kaczynski manifesto
also known as the Unabomber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
I don’t know what you mean by “something something” though 😅
That was a central point of his manifesto. It didn’t matter if you voted Democrat or Republican they both further the goals of capital and industry. He was concerned about the fall from the height of industrialization back to subsidence farming and that the longer we delay that the worse it gets, and neither party helps deal with that.
Capitalisms ultimate end is the control of all resources and natural systems, to be consumed and used by whoever owns everything for whatever purpose their ego demands. It’s just extreme narcissism as an economic system and the ultimate destination is human extinction. Which, maybe isn’t so bad.
If Netflix had a show called “hunting oligarchs”, the world would show up to watch.
Capitalism works just fine. Look at Denmark, Sweden, and Germany. They are all deeply capitalist countries with billionaires and a wealthy upper class. The difference is that their governments are heavily focused on welfare and social programs that actually work. That is not socialism.
Here in the United States, we have largely eliminated competition in many industries, and we all know how America’s social programs compare.
not really working here in germany, no. Even though things like, e.g. health care and public transport aren’t as completely broken as in the US, they are still pretty broken and there is no incentive to fix it thanks precisely to the interests of capitalism.
For now. Let them have to fund a military and shake off Russia, China, and Israel influence on a daily basis.
Those countries are just behind the usa. Once they start going broke they will eat their own just like us.
Germany is going downhill. Right wing parties are gaining traction because dumb fuck people are voting against their own best interest.
Welfare will ultimately deteriorate
Loads of people who vote Democrat are well aware that capitalism is fucked and has only ever worked for the rich. Voting for a Democrat does not imply agreeing with every party decision.
The question is whether you agree with harm reduction, accelerationism, or nihilism.
From a harm reduction standpoint, it makes sense to elect the imperfect candidate who will at least try to make things a little better. This is the same thinking that makes things like needle exchanges a good idea. Yes, maybe it would be better if no one were addicted to heroin, but given that some people are it’s probably be better to reduce the likelihood that they become a vector for blood-borne illnesses.
From an accelerationist standpoint, it makes sense to elect the worst possible candidate in the hopes that it’s jarring enough to get people to change the system. This approach of making things better by making things worse reflects the conservative tendency toward punishment as a solution. If addiction is punished and demonized, people will have a strong incentive to avoid addiction.
From a nihilistic standpoint, it makes sense to refuse to vote for anyone you don’t fully agree with. Participation in the political arena can be disregarded. This approach reflects the perspective that consequences don’t mean anything, so we might as well all share the same needle because it’s easier.
Personally, I find harm reduction to be the most beneficial option.
Is extending the life of capitalism really considered harm reduction? I bet more people suffer in the long run with no healthcare and constant wars.
What do you propose we do about it? This isn’t the 1800s where we fight with muskets. The U.S. military is the most advanced military in all of history.
Only if they keep making people
I mean, you’re right in the general sense, though OP’s quote does say, “liberals”, not, “those who vote Democrat”. So the implication is clearly pushing against people that think Democrats are a good choice and not simply the lesser of the two evils.
100% agree, although the post said nothing about voting
These motherfuckers would forcing HepC needles on every junkie if they could.
I mean close your eyes and ‘lalala’ whatever you want vut if you haven’t seen the pattern over the last 12 years maybe you never will.
If the Dems get a trifecta do not expect them to do anything meaningful, say it all takes too much time, and just shuffle chairs around.
Which is not ideal, but better than setting fire to everything…
The earlier we deal with the fire, the better.
But do rest assured, that fire is coming. You’re putting it off and letting it gather strength. It may just consume us all now.
That depends largely on your standpoint. If you’re already on fire then setting more fires in the hopes of getting put out with them isn’t irrational.
If putting out each fire requires a certain amount of resources, then your chances go down, as firefighters will be busy with other fires before they get to you.
I don’t know if you intended “get put out with them” as a euphemism for “killed” but it fits very nicely.
If by meaningful you mean socialist revolution, then no, and nobody expects them to. However there are things to be done better within the system and it’s something we need to do anyway
Like arrest all sitting maga in government, and do the needful to the pedophiles in power.
Because anything else is just letting pedos destroy your country and rape your kids.
We had a Dem president after an insurrection attempt that did nothing to go after those who organized it. I doubt they’ll go after the system as it is unless we get more progressive candidates in.
I always love when someone thinks the answer to problems usually being replied to with overly simplified (but wrong) answers is another equally simplified answer that surely explains everything.
The post doesn’t even formulate an answer. It just discredits the two “standard” answers provided. Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
Why is everybody in this thread arguing with some strawman
because OP provides 3 strawmen,
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Noone wants capitalism to start working again.
We want to stop having a government that wants to murder minorities in the streets you dumbfuck
The delusion of Americans is that their country is the entire world.
No other country has Democrats and Republicans, it’s a uniquely fucked up American thing that is a lot, but not a democracy
we think we are the center of the world because the entire world loves our culture, clearly, or Hollywood would never be as powerful as it is.
Turn the tv the fuck off for once and show me I’m wrong.
Third parties don’t win presidencies… they win city councils, state legislatures, and governorships first. That’s how political movements actually work. But posting about it on Twitter is probably fine too. #socialism
No nuance allowed! We good they bad! Fuck everyone who disagrees with me!
Is that what the post is conveying tho? I know there is a lot of discourse like that on Lemmy, but I don’t see it here. Feels like a strawman
The Delusion of this guy is he thinks not voting is going to help him.
Hey Einstein, you’ve got a pedophile for president whose policy resulted in millions of deaths by starvation after USAID was cut, environmental policy which is literally decided by oil companies, dismantling of public land protections, gutting of SNAP and Medicaid, the foreign policy stance of “if I can kill people and take it I will”, all because more than 6 Million People who voted for a Democrat in 2020 decided NOT to show up in 2024.
You’re about as socialist as a hooker on crack.
OP’s quote doesn’t talk about voting except ONLY in saying that ‘liberals’ think voting in a Democrat will fix things.
It says nothing about what the ‘correct’ answer is for them, and your angst is aimed very poorly.
I think getting semantic here is a trap, it’s still serving the purpose of casting doubt on the system. Great most days, but when an election is looming this is wrecker shit.
Think the usual ‘Democrats are terrible too’ schtick doesn’t actually work well on Lemmy broadly but now we’re going to see things like this where people will start picking apart the words of the text and claiming it isn’t what it is.
We’re all, mostly, at least a good decent number of us, adults who have seen all this shit before. Yes they said liberals, liberals are centerist poo-poo-ers who want their status quo and don’t want to be associated with bad press but not much else, fuck em. But also, Capitalism isn’t going to be fixed any time soon, in the meantime, however, one party plays host to at least some number of people trying to actually improve the lives of their constituency and for fucks sake you can’t tell me they’re just as bad as the partyconsisting exclusively of people openly looting and pillaging the entirety of the nation for personal gain and bald faced cruelty.
Just downvote OP and keep an eye out for people trying to bait.
Again, OP’s post says nothing about what the “correct” answer is.
They do not even specify something along the lines of voting for the lesser of two evils. It’s a nothing-burger but insulting idiots that act like idiots, and ya’ll read what ever the hell you want into it… Sad.
The only people who deserve downvotes are those reading things that are not written there.
There is the strong implication that people who vote DNC thinking things will improve by doing so are all Liberals.
No there isn’t. All it says is, “think it will make capitalism work again”. Not, “anyone who votes Democrat must agree with liberals.”
I swear, reading comprehension is shit these days…
It’s either:
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The implication is there.
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The user depicted is dumb enough to simultaneously support the DNC and talk nothing but shit about them and their constituents.
But the end result is the same: they treat the DNC and Liberals as their enemies.
Not all people voting DNC are liberals. How the fuck is this difficult to understand??
The comment DOES NOT say, “voting for Democrats bad.” It says, ONLY that, “liberals will think voting in a Democrat will magically fix capitalism”. That’s it. That’s all.
Again, reading comprehension. Get some.
lmao cope
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