Can they both fail? Consoles kind of suck. Closed platform owned by mega corps. Their main appeals of “easy” and “cheaper” haven’t been true for years.
Microsoft could have done like a … Steam machine for windows like 25 years ago. Optimized windows install on certified hardware, games that also play on desktop windows. They could’ve made steam. Except they couldn’t because they’re a souless corporate husk full of parasitic ghouls.
25 years ago, they weren’t going to get any closer than the original Xbox did. PC gaming was extraordinarily different from what we know today, and much as you might not want to hear it, a lot of the reasons it got better were also because of Microsoft. The truth is we can only have something like a Steam Machine today because of incremental improvements that have been done over long periods of time. Valve basically started work on Proton right after the first batch of Steam Machines came out and bombed, and it took until 2022 for their next batch of hardware to materialize that made use of it. Closed platforms can fuck off and die these days, but they solved real problems for decades.
Their main appeals of “easy” and “cheaper” haven’t been true for years.
Please help me get a machine that compares to the PS5/XSX in terms of performance and cost. I’m being serious. Every time I look at putting something together it’s gonna be like $1500-$2000.
PS5 and XSX run better at 4k resolution than my 3060ti does at 1440p in at least some games.
And those are all used prices. That nearly 6 year old GPU probably no longer has any warranty, unless someone bought it when the next 2 generations were already out. Not sure I’d trust used memory either when prices are as high as they are right now, people would be hella motivated to try to sell their old failing sticks. I’m also not sure where you’ll get a 512GB SSD for $60. Cheapest 512 GB NVMe is 90€ near me. The Playstation has an 825 GB NVMe, or 1TB for some models (2 for pro, but that’s overpriced).
The same price range (or a tiny bit less) still gets you a brand new PlayStation 5 with warranty, rather than potentially 5-6 year old components (hell, the DDR4 could be even older). You can also save money on the console too if you go used.
I’m a PC gamer, but let’s not kid ourselves by saying that PC gaming isn’t more expensive to buy into. It is. You do get a multifunctional machine though. I use mine for work and arguing with strangers on lemmy, for an example.
The up-front cost of a console is probably cheaper, barring putting some labor in and getting lucky on sales. You’re right about that.
A PC has more utility, a larger library, and no subscription fee. That $80/year PsPlus subscription eats into the savings pretty fast. And when your playstation is end-of-life, it’s far less useful than an older PC.
I’m sure some PC-building nerds would be happy to help put together a cost effective machine for you, but sadly I’m not that kind of nerd. I splurged on a pre-built machine when I had a nice job.
you can play games from all systems (if they are ported to PC)
if games are not ported, you got emulation!
ginormous backwards compatibility log
ability to do whatever you want with it (watch movies, work, browse internet, code, edit photos, whatever you can think of)
You also do not have to pay subscription fee to be able to play online
Games generally are cheap and can be acquired in bulk
4 times a year Steam sales and free games offered by competitors
Can be used with pretty much any gamepad out there + tons of insanely good 3rd party options.
If you do not like Windows, Linux can run almost any game.
Btw, 1000 is for a Steam Machine. You can get used parts that are better for even less. And you got a huge bump up if you already have some hardware beforehand.
Consoles failing isn’t going to make PC gaming any better, though. It’s certainly not going to drive prices down. Though I’m not sure the inverse is actually true: hugely successful consoles with good competition isn’t going to drive component prices down.
Microsoft actually sort of did try that. The Xbox was originally (internally) referred to as the “DirectX box”; it was basically a computer stripped of all parts not necessary for gaming. Microsoft has been pushing DirectX and gaming technologies for decades. You’re right though, the games should have also been Windows compatible. I don’t know why they weren’t. Microsoft is going that way now, sort of, with Play Anywhere games that, if you buy them on Xbox, you can also download them through the Windows Store (which still sucks).
I don’t know for certain but I have guesses. They probably thought they could make more money from a more closed system. Some middle manager probably had a kpi that benefitted from incompatibility.
Love it or hate it, this is why we don’t want Xbox to fail.
Can they both fail? Consoles kind of suck. Closed platform owned by mega corps. Their main appeals of “easy” and “cheaper” haven’t been true for years.
Microsoft could have done like a … Steam machine for windows like 25 years ago. Optimized windows install on certified hardware, games that also play on desktop windows. They could’ve made steam. Except they couldn’t because they’re a souless corporate husk full of parasitic ghouls.
Fuck em. Fuck them all.
25 years ago, they weren’t going to get any closer than the original Xbox did. PC gaming was extraordinarily different from what we know today, and much as you might not want to hear it, a lot of the reasons it got better were also because of Microsoft. The truth is we can only have something like a Steam Machine today because of incremental improvements that have been done over long periods of time. Valve basically started work on Proton right after the first batch of Steam Machines came out and bombed, and it took until 2022 for their next batch of hardware to materialize that made use of it. Closed platforms can fuck off and die these days, but they solved real problems for decades.
Please help me get a machine that compares to the PS5/XSX in terms of performance and cost. I’m being serious. Every time I look at putting something together it’s gonna be like $1500-$2000.
Total ~ $570 - $665
Plus you don’t have to pay for online and get cheaper (or free 🏴☠️) games.
PS5 and XSX run better at 4k resolution than my 3060ti does at 1440p in at least some games.
And those are all used prices. That nearly 6 year old GPU probably no longer has any warranty, unless someone bought it when the next 2 generations were already out. Not sure I’d trust used memory either when prices are as high as they are right now, people would be hella motivated to try to sell their old failing sticks. I’m also not sure where you’ll get a 512GB SSD for $60. Cheapest 512 GB NVMe is 90€ near me. The Playstation has an 825 GB NVMe, or 1TB for some models (2 for pro, but that’s overpriced).
The same price range (or a tiny bit less) still gets you a brand new PlayStation 5 with warranty, rather than potentially 5-6 year old components (hell, the DDR4 could be even older). You can also save money on the console too if you go used.
I’m a PC gamer, but let’s not kid ourselves by saying that PC gaming isn’t more expensive to buy into. It is. You do get a multifunctional machine though. I use mine for work and arguing with strangers on lemmy, for an example.
The up-front cost of a console is probably cheaper, barring putting some labor in and getting lucky on sales. You’re right about that.
A PC has more utility, a larger library, and no subscription fee. That $80/year PsPlus subscription eats into the savings pretty fast. And when your playstation is end-of-life, it’s far less useful than an older PC.
I’m sure some PC-building nerds would be happy to help put together a cost effective machine for you, but sadly I’m not that kind of nerd. I splurged on a pre-built machine when I had a nice job.
What did you buy?
1500-2000 PC would be twice as powerful as PS5.
If you pay 1000, you get:
Btw, 1000 is for a Steam Machine. You can get used parts that are better for even less. And you got a huge bump up if you already have some hardware beforehand.
Buy a used liquidated office PC, add GPU and SSD. Done.
The current market’s kind of making it rough to find that at the moment though.
Consoles failing isn’t going to make PC gaming any better, though. It’s certainly not going to drive prices down. Though I’m not sure the inverse is actually true: hugely successful consoles with good competition isn’t going to drive component prices down.
Microsoft actually sort of did try that. The Xbox was originally (internally) referred to as the “DirectX box”; it was basically a computer stripped of all parts not necessary for gaming. Microsoft has been pushing DirectX and gaming technologies for decades. You’re right though, the games should have also been Windows compatible. I don’t know why they weren’t. Microsoft is going that way now, sort of, with Play Anywhere games that, if you buy them on Xbox, you can also download them through the Windows Store (which still sucks).
I don’t know for certain but I have guesses. They probably thought they could make more money from a more closed system. Some middle manager probably had a kpi that benefitted from incompatibility.