The US is currently in a trade war with China, and Britain is still salty about their loss of their hong kong in 1997. So it’s best to get a source from a neutral country, rather than one of their current enemies.
For example, let’s look at what the middle east (a region the US and Britain have also looted, colonized, and bombed for decades) has to say:
Despite claims of “erasing Uyghur culture”, they stated: “I did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression. The imams we met at the mosques and the students and teachers at the Xinjiang Islamic Institute told us that they enjoy freedom in practicing Islam and that the Chinese government extends support for maintenance of mosques all over Xinjiang. […]The most visible sign of protection of Uyghur culture by the government is the government-run bilingual kindergarten schools where children learn Putonghua as well as Uyghur language and culture from a very young age.”
If your sources quote “anonymous sources” and nebulous “state documents” without providing access to them, those are shit sources. I wouldn’t trust them even if I didn’t know their track record of making shit up as long as their CIA handler contact “confirms” the story.
I mean how about this, you CAN use those sources, however I will not treat them as a sacred cow and given there track record when dealing with places the US does not like it will take me almost no time to debunk the claim, or point out how the source is not credible on this topic, then you will wace your hands and scream about some liberal media reliability rateing that cannot even get left right and center correct, even in the US overton window, an then I will have to debunk the new media reliability AND remind you of the previous debunk.
OR we can skip some of the easier ones to debunk and try to have an easier time in trying to understand reality, rather than just screaming and letting rich ghools make it up for us. The choice is yours
Iraq invasion (there’s thousands within this one including Abu ghraib) -america/nato
3- dressing up as medical personnel and massacring a refugee camp to save 1 person in gaza- Israel and America
4- a host of lesser known but many technical war crimes in Afghanistan like bombing undefended villages and towns https://www.culawreview.org/journal/double-standards-in-international-law-did-the-us-get-away-with-war-crimes-in-afghanistan
5- raping children and murdering their family. This is American tactic in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria with many documented cases
That is true lmao, though I do believe in nuance, it’s definitely not s black and white or a both sides equally bad sort of mindset
Also thank you, I was having issues with the text on the phone, question, how do I just take a break without a whole space between? If that makes sense
What do you chuds not understand about “two countries are committing war crimes”? You asked about China and got an answer about China. You’re trying to convince us who’s the second worst empire.
I think you’re missing the WAR part of the WAR CRIME. I thought you’d realise by now, but you’re really digging yourself a hole. Funny thing is there are wars you could have mentioned and war crimes. The point of original comment was to draw our those without any knowledge like you 😜
1 isn’t a war crimes lmao
2 isn’t a war crime
3. Isn’t a war crime nor is there proof. Literal unbacked western propaganda, wanna know what is backed? Gaza, By the west and Sudan genocide by America via UAE RIGHT NOW, you can literally watch it unfold on all social media
4. Perhaps, I would need to do more research on this one, but didn’t you got 3 wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if your wrong again.
5. Not a war crime
Edit: no idea how to do formatting on the phone, I apologise
Crimes against humanity are war crimes. Looting is a war crime. Invasion of a sovereign nation is an act of war. Stealing their resources is looting. Genocide is a crime against humanity and Tibet and the Uyghers are in one.
Wolf warriors that bury their head in the sand will suffocate under the lies.
There is no post-2021 evidence whatsoever of human right abuses of any sort in the Xinjiang province against Uyghur people. You can try to find stuff but you won’t find anything, I dare you to send me a single article that has an actual reference to actual evidence of post-2021 human right abuses. Send me an article and point to the actual reference within the article. I dare you.
Uyghur Genocide and Concentrated Reeducation Camps in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People’s Republic of China https://search.app/fyMhR137LTgqVkEJ8
Here is a report from the office of national intelligence last November listing all the data for the genocide.
The document is from a US intelligence agency from what it seems, it’s poorly referenced, and even then there’s nothing post-2021, is there?
I explicitly asked to please point at the reference within the article, because I’m exhausted of people just finding articles on google on this topic on western media and sending them to me without reading them. Please tell me what post-2021 huma right abuses are referenced and well-sourced in the report
You didn’t download it did you? There is recent and relevant information about Uygher displacement and ethic cleansing. Why do you support ethnic cleansing?
So I checked it out… never directly states where the data is from (“PRC state media and data”, “party documents and data reportedly obtained from local public security bureaus in Xinjiang”, it continues to be this vague never specific throughout), most of the dates end in 2021/2022 (for the latter e.g. “the last date for which authorities have issued such reports”, so that doesn’t show it hasn’t ended in 2021)
The closest thing you have in there is
the continued elevated number of
indictments in 2022 suggests that the campaign continues
Two years after Xinjiang findings, UN reports ‘limited access to information’, ‘reprisals’ against activists | ISHR https://search.app/rTPVgDbwvYQ9ozAEA
China is refusing to allow an investigation. That’s a presumption of guilt.
you and this other guy are tankie trash, full stop.
So does then make you fascist trash? This isn’t the cold war and I was born in Scotland not Yugoslavia
No buddy were just a bit brighter then you. There’s 3 tiers of thinking. 'one side is wholly bad"
Tier 2 “both sides are bad”
Tier 3" both sides are bad but I want to look deeper into the complexites and nuances which made me realise, one side is infinitely worse"
You’re stuck on tier 2.
i’m an american, i’m a little dull to the ol “it isn’t technically a war bc we didn’t declare war >:2” shit
You said it yourself you are pretty dull as you don’t know what a freaking war crime Vs a crime against humanity is. A crime against humanity would be like slaving your citizens… Like how it’s codified in American prison laws
I think you’re making the same error you’re trying to call out. Sorting through the flurry of insults, your core complaint is that Marxist-Leninists don’t see nuance. I think this is disingenuous, Marxism-Leninism has strong theoretical foundations that are logically consistent. Similarly, you flip from the strawman that “everyone that isn’t an ML is a fascist” to your own assertion that everyone is fascist, or at least it appears that’s your claim. I don’t really think you have a clear conception of what constitutes fascism, or if you do it isn’t readily apparent, same with Imperialism.
I think if you want to understand MLs more you could probably be served better by trying to work from an initial place of trying to understand why MLs think the way they do, rather than trying to come up with post-hoc justifications.
'anyone who isn’t a ML is a fascist" your whole argument is based off of something you imagined. No I’m stating it now I could not care less what your instance is, what level of mental illness do you need to start hostilities over you’re freaking instance like who gives a shit. I’m just left leaning and my instance is set to read from all and subscribe to communities from all instances lmfao. Buddyyy go touch some grass
Crimes against humanity aren’t war crimes. You’re reading comprehension is lacking my friend. The war in war crimes means warfare.
Speaking of genocides. You have mentioned two. Most genocides on the planet are actively done by America and it’s allies or it supplies the weapons and silences the media.
Considering China having 5 times the population of america. Id say china has been very good comparatively on the world. Also nothing to say how 4 of 5 of your war crimes weren’t at all war crimes??
What that? Came in commented something stupid and incorrect and you still think you really did something lmao. Bro nobody cares who you are, you’ve said nothing of substance or nothing savage. What a dork 🤣🤣
“War crimes, unlike crimes against humanity, are always committed in times of war.”
Did you at all read your own link? This is literally from the webpage
Everything you said could be a war crime if one specific and incredibly obvious thing happens. It’s during a war. Else it’s a crime against humanity, which isn’t a war crime. You literally linked the article and your still struggling with this??
#4 is like claiming the Union committed genocide against enslaved people in the Confederacy by abolishing slavery
Please elaborate
Please list sources for any of these. Preferably not from US or british state media.
Which country do you accept?
The US is currently in a trade war with China, and Britain is still salty about their loss of their hong kong in 1997. So it’s best to get a source from a neutral country, rather than one of their current enemies.
For example, let’s look at what the middle east (a region the US and Britain have also looted, colonized, and bombed for decades) has to say:
“Provide sources. No not those sources!” -you
If your sources quote “anonymous sources” and nebulous “state documents” without providing access to them, those are shit sources. I wouldn’t trust them even if I didn’t know their track record of making shit up as long as their CIA
handlercontact “confirms” the story.I mean how about this, you CAN use those sources, however I will not treat them as a sacred cow and given there track record when dealing with places the US does not like it will take me almost no time to debunk the claim, or point out how the source is not credible on this topic, then you will wace your hands and scream about some liberal media reliability rateing that cannot even get left right and center correct, even in the US overton window, an then I will have to debunk the new media reliability AND remind you of the previous debunk.
OR we can skip some of the easier ones to debunk and try to have an easier time in trying to understand reality, rather than just screaming and letting rich ghools make it up for us. The choice is yours
Here’s 5 actual war crimes
yes we are now doing exactly what the meme at the top of the page is doing.
fyi: two spaces at the end of a line will format that correctly as a newline
That is true lmao, though I do believe in nuance, it’s definitely not s black and white or a both sides equally bad sort of mindset
Also thank you, I was having issues with the text on the phone, question, how do I just take a break without a whole space between? If that makes sense
Two spaces at the end of a line
Makes a new line
What do you chuds not understand about “two countries are committing war crimes”? You asked about China and got an answer about China. You’re trying to convince us who’s the second worst empire.
I think you’re missing the WAR part of the WAR CRIME. I thought you’d realise by now, but you’re really digging yourself a hole. Funny thing is there are wars you could have mentioned and war crimes. The point of original comment was to draw our those without any knowledge like you 😜
I’m explaining to you why this comparison is a poor argument, not volunteering to dance around various different arguments all day.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
1 isn’t a war crimes lmao 2 isn’t a war crime 3. Isn’t a war crime nor is there proof. Literal unbacked western propaganda, wanna know what is backed? Gaza, By the west and Sudan genocide by America via UAE RIGHT NOW, you can literally watch it unfold on all social media 4. Perhaps, I would need to do more research on this one, but didn’t you got 3 wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if your wrong again. 5. Not a war crime
Edit: no idea how to do formatting on the phone, I apologise
Crimes against humanity are war crimes. Looting is a war crime. Invasion of a sovereign nation is an act of war. Stealing their resources is looting. Genocide is a crime against humanity and Tibet and the Uyghers are in one.
Wolf warriors that bury their head in the sand will suffocate under the lies.
China has been real bad.
There is no post-2021 evidence whatsoever of human right abuses of any sort in the Xinjiang province against Uyghur people. You can try to find stuff but you won’t find anything, I dare you to send me a single article that has an actual reference to actual evidence of post-2021 human right abuses. Send me an article and point to the actual reference within the article. I dare you.
Uyghur Genocide and Concentrated Reeducation Camps in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People’s Republic of China https://search.app/fyMhR137LTgqVkEJ8
Here is a report from the office of national intelligence last November listing all the data for the genocide.
The document is from a US intelligence agency from what it seems, it’s poorly referenced, and even then there’s nothing post-2021, is there?
I explicitly asked to please point at the reference within the article, because I’m exhausted of people just finding articles on google on this topic on western media and sending them to me without reading them. Please tell me what post-2021 huma right abuses are referenced and well-sourced in the report
You didn’t download it did you? There is recent and relevant information about Uygher displacement and ethic cleansing. Why do you support ethnic cleansing?
Again: point out the exact reference in the “report”, because I simply can’t find it, I already asked you twice to do that.
Anyway, amazing that your argument is “look, Uyghur genocide is real. And here’s the evidence: US intelligence state propaganda”
So I checked it out… never directly states where the data is from (“PRC state media and data”, “party documents and data reportedly obtained from local public security bureaus in Xinjiang”, it continues to be this vague never specific throughout), most of the dates end in 2021/2022 (for the latter e.g. “the last date for which authorities have issued such reports”, so that doesn’t show it hasn’t ended in 2021)
The closest thing you have in there is
Are there other, better, sources?
Two years after Xinjiang findings, UN reports ‘limited access to information’, ‘reprisals’ against activists | ISHR https://search.app/rTPVgDbwvYQ9ozAEA
China is refusing to allow an investigation. That’s a presumption of guilt.
I never heard of the ISHR. They seem to be cagey about their funding sources 🤔
The actual UN OHCHR report is a one-pager that provides no detail or evidence to back up its mention of “limited access” and “fear of reprisals”: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2024/08/china-update-work-un-human-rights-office
Weak tea.
ETA: Looking deeper, the funding seems to mostly come from NATO & NATO “partner” governments and the Ford Foundation.
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You said it yourself you are pretty dull as you don’t know what a freaking war crime Vs a crime against humanity is. A crime against humanity would be like slaving your citizens… Like how it’s codified in American prison laws
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I think you’re making the same error you’re trying to call out. Sorting through the flurry of insults, your core complaint is that Marxist-Leninists don’t see nuance. I think this is disingenuous, Marxism-Leninism has strong theoretical foundations that are logically consistent. Similarly, you flip from the strawman that “everyone that isn’t an ML is a fascist” to your own assertion that everyone is fascist, or at least it appears that’s your claim. I don’t really think you have a clear conception of what constitutes fascism, or if you do it isn’t readily apparent, same with Imperialism.
I think if you want to understand MLs more you could probably be served better by trying to work from an initial place of trying to understand why MLs think the way they do, rather than trying to come up with post-hoc justifications.
'anyone who isn’t a ML is a fascist" your whole argument is based off of something you imagined. No I’m stating it now I could not care less what your instance is, what level of mental illness do you need to start hostilities over you’re freaking instance like who gives a shit. I’m just left leaning and my instance is set to read from all and subscribe to communities from all instances lmfao. Buddyyy go touch some grass
Here is the definition. A crime against humanity is a war crime.
The International Criminal Court (ICC) | International peace and security | Government.nl https://search.app/iKiJrEFeMYP2nzF76
Crimes against humanity aren’t war crimes. You’re reading comprehension is lacking my friend. The war in war crimes means warfare.
Speaking of genocides. You have mentioned two. Most genocides on the planet are actively done by America and it’s allies or it supplies the weapons and silences the media.
Considering China having 5 times the population of america. Id say china has been very good comparatively on the world. Also nothing to say how 4 of 5 of your war crimes weren’t at all war crimes??
Crimes against humanity is as good as a warcrime buddy boy
You really thought you did something there. Read my original comment and point to where i denied that or said otherwise 🤣
I did something, It was enough for you to go “waaaaah”
What that? Came in commented something stupid and incorrect and you still think you really did something lmao. Bro nobody cares who you are, you’ve said nothing of substance or nothing savage. What a dork 🤣🤣
Yes they are. Source: The International Criminal Court (ICC) | International peace and security | Government.nl https://search.app/iKiJrEFeMYP2nzF76
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Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, which is a war crime.
“War crimes, unlike crimes against humanity, are always committed in times of war.” Did you at all read your own link? This is literally from the webpage Everything you said could be a war crime if one specific and incredibly obvious thing happens. It’s during a war. Else it’s a crime against humanity, which isn’t a war crime. You literally linked the article and your still struggling with this??