We let the few dominate and exploit the many. Our relationship with nature is refelective of our relationship with ourself.
But the cultural focuson domination and exploitation is not biological. It’s not in our nature. The potential to dominate is. But so is the potential of cooperation and mutual aid.
Let’s try to rethink our society and behaviour to nature and each other and aim for the latter. For all our sake.
I’d argue that neither one stems from the other but that they are both manifestations of the same thing: our desire to dominate our environment to make our own lives (or the lives of those important to us) easier and/or safer.
Those billionaires didn’t portal into this world from another reality. Pick any human at random, make them a billionaire, chances are you have another worst-of-the-worst.
I’d guess fewer than 1/3 of people are “good” (even after being educated). The rest are just dangerously intelligent animals.
Nobody’s perfect, but if I had a billion dollars my sole preoccupation would be to spend it as fast and effectively as possible to help people in need. That one criterion alone — a kind of minimum requirement — unfortunately makes me weird. However, I stand by the claim that anyone who would do otherwise is a bad person.
To be clear, there is a wealth threshold (Maslow’s hierarchy of needs) that few people in the first world achieve, so we can hardly blame them for not donating their meager savings. But a billion dollars is utterly beyond the pale. Hence my example.
maybe this is included in your definition of industrial fishing, but i don’t think i agree since the sheer amount of people to feed will lead to overfishing unless we all start indiscriminately eating any kind of fish so long as it’s at all edible.
IDK the many allow the few to do what they want, if we all really tried we could have this over in a week. It doesn’t even take everyone too, only like 3.5% of a population is required to overthrow a government.
I’ll admit that I am not clean, but I’ll also say that this is a consumerist framing which is benefitting might and machine. We are all sinners in one shape or another under the machine because we rely on the machine.
We live under planned economies governed by the eternal hunger of the machine. They sell us shit on stick through advertisements, media control and machine collaboration.
We loken these monstrocities through the dissolvement of the machine through making oppositional societies that by grounds embrace the meaningful, and being opposed to might and machine.
How about you just try to minimise the hold the machine has on you instead of ranting poetically? And don’t start with the old ‘no ethical consumption under capitalism’ because you don’t need to actively make the world a worse place by choosing the most destructive means of consumption available to you.
Ranting poetically is how we change the world, mate. Its called getting the message accross instead of using language that only highly educated people understands.
it’s pretty easy to be *mostly vegetarian, being fully vegetarian is a lot harder for those who are used to eating meat.
It’s an important distinction to make, we’re not going to convince people by being perfectionists, we convince people by actually helping them change their habits.
If you want to know more and increase that anger a notch, here’s Ocean With David Attenborough showing the devastation of bottom trawling: https://youtu.be/IzG9AwlypaY
I did not know and now I am slightly angry at humans. Again.
We are monsters
We let the few dominate and exploit the many. Our relationship with nature is refelective of our relationship with ourself.
But the cultural focuson domination and exploitation is not biological. It’s not in our nature. The potential to dominate is. But so is the potential of cooperation and mutual aid.
Let’s try to rethink our society and behaviour to nature and each other and aim for the latter. For all our sake.
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I’d argue that neither one stems from the other but that they are both manifestations of the same thing: our desire to dominate our environment to make our own lives (or the lives of those important to us) easier and/or safer.
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Those billionaires didn’t portal into this world from another reality. Pick any human at random, make them a billionaire, chances are you have another worst-of-the-worst.
I’d guess fewer than 1/3 of people are “good” (even after being educated). The rest are just dangerously intelligent animals.
Power corrupts. Our mistake is allowing power to be concentrated.
and which group are you in?
Nobody’s perfect, but if I had a billion dollars my sole preoccupation would be to spend it as fast and effectively as possible to help people in need. That one criterion alone — a kind of minimum requirement — unfortunately makes me weird. However, I stand by the claim that anyone who would do otherwise is a bad person.
To be clear, there is a wealth threshold (Maslow’s hierarchy of needs) that few people in the first world achieve, so we can hardly blame them for not donating their meager savings. But a billion dollars is utterly beyond the pale. Hence my example.
You all are happy enough to pay for this to happen with your consumption of fish
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Pls do not blame all of humanity for the actions of a few
I mean like 95% of us eat fish so 95% of us are partially to blame
I literally can’t remember the last time I ate any fish whatsoever.
The issue is not that humans eat fish. The issue is industrial fishing.
maybe this is included in your definition of industrial fishing, but i don’t think i agree since the sheer amount of people to feed will lead to overfishing unless we all start indiscriminately eating any kind of fish so long as it’s at all edible.
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The ones who are suicidal and don’t feel pain I assume
IDK the many allow the few to do what they want, if we all really tried we could have this over in a week. It doesn’t even take everyone too, only like 3.5% of a population is required to overthrow a government.
I hate to break it to you, but nobody asked me what I wanted.
remember that guy who rams whalers with his ships front filled with concrete? he really wanted and he made a difference
Defeating the government is the easy part. Building something new afterwards is where it gets difficult
Yeah, cuz then we know how to kill you too.
Are you blaming me for this? I did not do this!
If you eat fish that isn’t line caught, you are supporting this in some form.
I’ll admit that I am not clean, but I’ll also say that this is a consumerist framing which is benefitting might and machine. We are all sinners in one shape or another under the machine because we rely on the machine.
We live under planned economies governed by the eternal hunger of the machine. They sell us shit on stick through advertisements, media control and machine collaboration.
We loken these monstrocities through the dissolvement of the machine through making oppositional societies that by grounds embrace the meaningful, and being opposed to might and machine.
How about you just try to minimise the hold the machine has on you instead of ranting poetically? And don’t start with the old ‘no ethical consumption under capitalism’ because you don’t need to actively make the world a worse place by choosing the most destructive means of consumption available to you.
Ranting poetically is how we change the world, mate. Its called getting the message accross instead of using language that only highly educated people understands.
No it’s actually pretty easy to be vegetarian.
it’s pretty easy to be *mostly vegetarian, being fully vegetarian is a lot harder for those who are used to eating meat.
It’s an important distinction to make, we’re not going to convince people by being perfectionists, we convince people by actually helping them change their habits.
I tried to go vegan once. Didnt go well. Probably easy for you, but I couldnt do it. Probably sais something about how pathetic I am as a human being.
Thanks, I feel like shit now.
I guess I’m glad I’m allergic to fish.
How are farm fish caught? 🤔
Depends, but most fish farms heavily pollute the water and introduce diseases into the surrounding area.
They swim right into the styrofoam tray and wait for a worker to tuck them in with stretch wrap
Prove it!
I was on the moon when it happened!
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If you want to know more and increase that anger a notch, here’s Ocean With David Attenborough showing the devastation of bottom trawling: https://youtu.be/IzG9AwlypaY
Thank you, now I hate humans even more.
Slightly?
As the dominant species we should take better care of the world.
But, I guess shareholder value is more important.
Slightly?
“Fuck them dolphins”