• rainpizza@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    What if I told you that Belarus is socialist and it kept the old system after USSR dissolved. To read more about it, the Chinese marxist, Cheng Enfu, has an a study of Belarus’s economic system -> https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.13169%2Fworlrevipoliecon.11.4.0428

    Also, you can read more about their proletarian democracy from their website regarding the Belarusian People’s congress -> https://president.gov.by/en/gosudarstvo/citizen-participation/state-and-local-assemblies/all-belarusian-peoples

    The Belarusian People’s Congress is the highest representative body of people’s power of the Republic of Belarus, which determines the strategic areas of development of society and the state, ensures the inviolability of the constitutional system, the continuity of generations, and civil accord. https://president.gov.by/en/gosudarstvo/citizen-participation/state-and-local-assemblies/all-belarusian-peoples

    Also, Here’s a Bloomberg article lamenting how it works.

    In spanish, we also have https://xcancel.com/ActualidadBel/ that explains their work and labor rights. In case you are curious about something specific, you can ask them questions.

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      As they aren’t listed in our current AES countries of the world, I think they’re missing that essential element of having a communist vanguard party and a clear goal of achieving communism.

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        If you read Samir Amin’s Russia & the Long Transition from Capitalism to Socialism he talks abt how the Soviet mode of production persisted after the collapse of the USSR so you saw a lot of the community structures and food sources etc lingering despite the violence of privatization

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      Thanks, I was giving it a read. Belarus’ economy is genuinely impressive. But do you think a Marxist-Leninist ruling party could realistically come to power in Belarus to guide the Belarusian proletariat toward communism?

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        Well, are you sure that they are not Marxist Leninist? If so, how could you explain this video:

        Summary:

        • ☝🏼Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko expressed interest in the new textbook on political economy for university students.

        • "What place does Marxism-Leninism occupy in this textbook on modern political economy? ", Lukashenko asks.

        • Belarusian economist answers: “The first and most important place!✊🏼”

        Conversations like this will be a dream for plenty of people in the ex soviet countries that ditched socialism.

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            In what other country have you heard of putting Marxism-Leninism as the first and most important place on political economy for university students?

            If that is not an enough clue, there are more actions that they have taken such as:

            • Fighting historical revisionism that is rampant in ex soviet countries
            • Denazification schools
            • Anti-Sovietism and Anti-communism slander is not state policy

            Edit. For anyone that want a thorough break down of Belarus DOTP, I wrote more about it here -> https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9576137

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              Is your argument that belaya rus is secretly an ML party? I don’t really understand where you’re going with this

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                My point is don’t dismiss or look down on the actions and policies which is what has a direct impact on the people. Also, take into consideration the history of that country and the fact that they were betrayed by the vanguard party(CPSU) until the collapse of the USSR.

                Belarus maintaining their socialist system after the chaos of the 90s is not possible under a liberal or under an unprincipled “marxist” that actively supported Glasnost and Peretroiska(Gorbachevs).

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                  I don’t disagree with you on these points. I just think it’s a stretch to claim that a country is socialist / ML without a socialist party in power.

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                    That’s my opinion as well when the Communist Party of Belarus becomes the ruling party, then it can be declared a socialist state.

                    Which is definitely a possibility, considering that about 5% of Belarus’s population is in the Communist Party, and the younger generation may hopefully be exposed to Marxist-Leninist ideas.

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                This part from Cheng Enfu helps clear my past point:

                Second, an efficient state governance system featured by “vertical management” should be established. There is no ruling party in Belarus, and parliamentary groups do not play any decisive role in parliamentary elections. As a “witness” to the horrors accompanying the collapse of the Soviet Union, Lukashenko has a novel and unique understanding of the role of political parties, arguing that political parties should be organized from the top down with generally clear political opinions and a complete organizational system, mainly engaged in political struggles with their initial goal to gain power, and govern according to their programs. The differences between different political parties are mainly in the choice of the country’s development path and system. The establishment of state power in Belarus makes it unnecessary to engage in tedious discussions on these issues, as partisan arguments can only exacerbate political divisions and be of no benefit to improve the efficiency of state institutions or ensure social justice. On this basis, a system of “vertical management” has been established in Belarus, in which the president can intervene in grass-roots work at any time. Lukashenko also advocates that government officials must have the experience of serving in local communities, the economy must be managed by economists, the health sector must be administrated by medical experts, the Ministry of Education must be led by people with university management experience, and all leaders must be professionals in order to improve the level of management and governing efficiency.

                Lukashenko has made it so that civil servants and public officials are forbidden to go into business. They must work in their own positions during their working hours and are given no time to do business, otherwise conflicts of interest and corruption may arise (Lukashenko 2006). Lukashenko also sets an example by applying these rules to himself and those close to him. He says that he has been a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union(…)

                Source -> https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.13169%2Fworlrevipoliecon.11.4.0428 (Must read. The marxist economist Cheng Enfu did a good job with this study)

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                    Read Cheng Enfu’s study. The result of their system was due to the grave crisis during that time. Otherwise, they would have been a neoliberal state.

                    Belarus is a socialist state. Please, once again, read.