Thanks, I was giving it a read. Belarus’ economy is genuinely impressive. But do you think a Marxist-Leninist ruling party could realistically come to power in Belarus to guide the Belarusian proletariat toward communism?
My point is don’t dismiss or look down on the actions and policies which is what has a direct impact on the people. Also, take into consideration the history of that country and the fact that they were betrayed by the vanguard party(CPSU) until the collapse of the USSR.
Belarus maintaining their socialist system after the chaos of the 90s is not possible under a liberal or under an unprincipled “marxist” that actively supported Glasnost and Peretroiska(Gorbachevs).
That’s my opinion as well when the Communist Party of Belarus becomes the ruling party, then it can be declared a socialist state.
Which is definitely a possibility, considering that about 5% of Belarus’s population is in the Communist Party, and the younger generation may hopefully be exposed to Marxist-Leninist ideas.
This part from Cheng Enfu helps clear my past point:
Second, an efficient state governance system featured by “vertical management” should be established. There is no ruling party in Belarus, and parliamentary groups do not play any decisive role in parliamentary elections. As a “witness”
to the horrors accompanying the collapse of the Soviet Union, Lukashenko has a
novel and unique understanding of the role of political parties, arguing that political parties should be organized from the top down with generally clear political opinions and a complete organizational system, mainly engaged in political
struggles with their initial goal to gain power, and govern according to their programs. The differences between different political parties are mainly in the choice of the country’s development path and system. The establishment of state power
in Belarus makes it unnecessary to engage in tedious discussions on these issues,
as partisan arguments can only exacerbate political divisions and be of no benefit
to improve the efficiency of state institutions or ensure social justice. On this basis,
a system of “vertical management” has been established in Belarus, in which the
president can intervene in grass-roots work at any time. Lukashenko also advocates that government officials must have the experience of serving in local communities, the economy must be managed by economists, the health sector must be
administrated by medical experts, the Ministry of Education must be led by people
with university management experience, and all leaders must be professionals in
order to improve the level of management and governing efficiency.
Lukashenko has made it so that civil servants and public officials are forbidden to go into business. They must work in their own positions during their working hours and are
given no time to do business, otherwise conflicts of interest and corruption may
arise (Lukashenko 2006). Lukashenko also sets an example by applying these
rules to himself and those close to him. He says that he has been a member of the
Communist Party of the Soviet Union(…)
i have taken the time this morning to read the article. it doesn’t mention class relations even once. it seems to define socialism as “when government does stuff.” i don’t agree with this assessment. while government control over the economy is important for socialist development, it doesn’t automatically make an economy socialist.
for instance if you look at public sector size by % of employment, you will see that there are quite a few countries with higher percentages than Belarus, which are not socialist. And a lot of countries have similar public sector size, and are not socialist.
then, the article (in the paragraph that you quoted) talks about how there are no ruling parties because it maintains stability. to me it is completely revisionist to claim that you can have a dotp without a proletarian party. how else do you organise the working class? just on vibes?
is it your position that a working class party is unnecessary for dotp? because if so, then that is a major deviation from marxism leninism, and to me would need to be supported by a lot of evidence.
Belarus does not claim to be a socialist state but it sometimes behaves like a socialist state. I don’t see any contradiction here. No matter how socialist Belarus behaves you can’t call Belarus a socialist state if they themselves deny it.
Thanks, I was giving it a read. Belarus’ economy is genuinely impressive. But do you think a Marxist-Leninist ruling party could realistically come to power in Belarus to guide the Belarusian proletariat toward communism?
Well, are you sure that they are not Marxist Leninist? If so, how could you explain this video:
Summary:
☝🏼Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko expressed interest in the new textbook on political economy for university students.
"What place does Marxism-Leninism occupy in this textbook on modern political economy? ", Lukashenko asks.
Belarusian economist answers: “The first and most important place!✊🏼”
Conversations like this will be a dream for plenty of people in the ex soviet countries that ditched socialism.
one comment about a textbook doesn’t prove that belarus is ruled by a communist party
In what other country have you heard of putting Marxism-Leninism as the first and most important place on political economy for university students?
If that is not an enough clue, there are more actions that they have taken such as:
Edit. For anyone that want a thorough break down of Belarus DOTP, I wrote more about it here -> https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9576137
Is your argument that belaya rus is secretly an ML party? I don’t really understand where you’re going with this
My point is don’t dismiss or look down on the actions and policies which is what has a direct impact on the people. Also, take into consideration the history of that country and the fact that they were betrayed by the vanguard party(CPSU) until the collapse of the USSR.
Belarus maintaining their socialist system after the chaos of the 90s is not possible under a liberal or under an unprincipled “marxist” that actively supported Glasnost and Peretroiska(Gorbachevs).
I don’t disagree with you on these points. I just think it’s a stretch to claim that a country is socialist / ML without a socialist party in power.
That’s my opinion as well when the Communist Party of Belarus becomes the ruling party, then it can be declared a socialist state.
Which is definitely a possibility, considering that about 5% of Belarus’s population is in the Communist Party, and the younger generation may hopefully be exposed to Marxist-Leninist ideas.
A country is socialist if they have DOTP. I wrote more about it here -> https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9576137/7219414
This part from Cheng Enfu helps clear my past point:
Second, an efficient state governance system featured by “vertical management” should be established. There is no ruling party in Belarus, and parliamentary groups do not play any decisive role in parliamentary elections. As a “witness” to the horrors accompanying the collapse of the Soviet Union, Lukashenko has a novel and unique understanding of the role of political parties, arguing that political parties should be organized from the top down with generally clear political opinions and a complete organizational system, mainly engaged in political struggles with their initial goal to gain power, and govern according to their programs. The differences between different political parties are mainly in the choice of the country’s development path and system. The establishment of state power in Belarus makes it unnecessary to engage in tedious discussions on these issues, as partisan arguments can only exacerbate political divisions and be of no benefit to improve the efficiency of state institutions or ensure social justice. On this basis, a system of “vertical management” has been established in Belarus, in which the president can intervene in grass-roots work at any time. Lukashenko also advocates that government officials must have the experience of serving in local communities, the economy must be managed by economists, the health sector must be administrated by medical experts, the Ministry of Education must be led by people with university management experience, and all leaders must be professionals in order to improve the level of management and governing efficiency.
Lukashenko has made it so that civil servants and public officials are forbidden to go into business. They must work in their own positions during their working hours and are given no time to do business, otherwise conflicts of interest and corruption may arise (Lukashenko 2006). Lukashenko also sets an example by applying these rules to himself and those close to him. He says that he has been a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union(…)
Source -> https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.13169%2Fworlrevipoliecon.11.4.0428 (Must read. The marxist economist Cheng Enfu did a good job with this study)
How is this an argument against anything I’ve said? Belarus is not a socialist state
Read Cheng Enfu’s study. The result of their system was due to the grave crisis during that time. Otherwise, they would have been a neoliberal state.
Belarus is a socialist state. Please, once again, read.
i have taken the time this morning to read the article. it doesn’t mention class relations even once. it seems to define socialism as “when government does stuff.” i don’t agree with this assessment. while government control over the economy is important for socialist development, it doesn’t automatically make an economy socialist.
for instance if you look at public sector size by % of employment, you will see that there are quite a few countries with higher percentages than Belarus, which are not socialist. And a lot of countries have similar public sector size, and are not socialist.
then, the article (in the paragraph that you quoted) talks about how there are no ruling parties because it maintains stability. to me it is completely revisionist to claim that you can have a dotp without a proletarian party. how else do you organise the working class? just on vibes?
is it your position that a working class party is unnecessary for dotp? because if so, then that is a major deviation from marxism leninism, and to me would need to be supported by a lot of evidence.
Belarus does not claim to be a socialist state but it sometimes behaves like a socialist state. I don’t see any contradiction here. No matter how socialist Belarus behaves you can’t call Belarus a socialist state if they themselves deny it.