Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
It’s extremely misleading to say “companies do not pay tariffs” and then immediately explain that companies do indeed pay tariffs.
how long is it going to take, before you realize its too late? if they didn’t realize by now, they aren’t going to
Trump will never ever admit he’s wrong, but I’m curious how the voters will react when everything costs 50% more all of a sudden.
They’ll probably blame Biden somehow, but I’m curious still
He’s already called all the stock market turmoil “Biden’s market”, hilariously.
that’s fine. iphones are so cheap, people can handle even 50% tariffs. apple is worth every penny /s.
going to buy a cmf phone 2 now…
Yeah. I’m typing this on a $300 Chinese phone with 10600mAH battery, reverse wireless charging, a thermal imaging camera, and it’s waterproof and shock resistant.
I have strongly considered the Armor line. Which is what I’m assuming you’re talking about
It’s 27T Pro. I like it better than the iPhone it replaced.
The only downsides I’ve seen so far are that it requires a separate app for wifi calling and it has fewer zoom options for the camera. I’d like to figure out how to get the IR blaster to read signals (so I can easily clone my remotes).
Shit duee my unlocked Sony Xperia has WiFi calling locked via the carrier 😅
I’m no slouch when it comes to basic tech literacy, but I was left scratching my head when I watched the WiFi calling setting literally disappear before my eyes. Fuck AT&T (at least I’m on a cheap plan)
Is it only tariff costs that are passed on to employees and customers or are all corporate tax costs passed on to employees and customers?
At the end of the day it’s all of it. Some of it is built into their existing model, some of it is constant etc but they include it all in the calculations to come up with the prices. New costs like these tariffs get added to the overall margin calculation and a new price is set.
Unless the companies eat the tariffs. But greedy companies will pass them on
Still there is another side of it that also interesting. These companies has done their calculations so the cost of the product is perfect. Increasing that price means less people will buy the product.
Increasing that price means less people will buy the product.
Unless your competitors are also facing the same forced price increase.
The Art of Extortion.
Step 1. Add Tarrifs.
Step 2. Wait till the share price falls.
Step 3. Buy in low.
Step 4. Lift the tariffs again.
Step 5. Wait till the share price rises.
Step 6. Profit.
If you think you can’t ever put stocks on a hot sale think again.
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
The US is turning into my games of stellaris a little bit more everyday. Oh boy you sure dont want to be in my games of stellaris guys.
You know that is somewhat true. What everyone could see when I was kid has come to pass. The people like trump and the actual billionaires in this country sold us out then. They sold us out by moving all the manufacturing offshore. Now these same greedy trash humans want all that back since they have realized that the ability to manufactures products was the United States real power. They delivered millions of my parents generation into poverty and wage slavery to make a buck by moving the job overseas. Now these horrible people and their followers are doing the same thing to try to get it back. They don’t understand nor do they care about the real people in this country. Only about themselves.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
The reason why manufacturing was moved offshore was because it cost more money to produce the goods in the states and they had to adhere to us regulation. Products are cheap because they’re build offshore. No one actually wants the factory jobs back in the states because they’ll be too expensive to produce, and a lot of the jobs will be done by bots anyway. If the iPhone was the be built in the states it would cost $3.5k. Billionaires want a peasant class. They’re envious of China - lots of low educated people earning nothing working long hours. Billionaires have low self esteem.
Yes of course it was because of money. They couldn’t see it then and they cant see it now.
Well those regulations are virtually non existent. Can pay lip service but who is going to enforce it
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at any given moment.
That’s unfortunate. Most octogenarians I’ve met are far more thoughtful and kind than Trump has ever been.
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
nah they just need to survive the storm for a yeas and a half and start funding dems house races. far cheaper than allowing you to repair your device.
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day but I’ve been chuckling about it for a good couple of minutes.
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
I think most people on here are frustrated with the “sanewashing” by most media outlets.
The drumbeat of “ableism” is more of a bell ringing to make sure that people understand that Krasnov is very unwell and seriously unfit for any decision making position.
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Krasnov
Wat?
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Oh, I forgot that Truman, the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons, famously only did so because he had depression. Or he was a perfectly mentally well person who was also a racist to the extent that he didn’t care about the lives of Japanese children. One of those. I always get it confused.
Anyway, the answer to who I would loan a gun to and who should be capable of launching a nuclear strike is the same: no one. But I would trust your averaged depressed person with the nuclear codes more than I would Trump. To be clear: if Trump has a mental illness, that is not the thing that is wrong with him. What’s wrong with him is that he’s a fascist.
They don’t hate people with disabilities, they just don’t want them to be President.
That’s ableist though. Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
(Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all so don’t feel like glorifying them).
Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
We’re not talking about “disabled people”, we’re talking about people with mental illness that impairs them.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
Physical disability is absolutely not be the same thing. Would you vote fuckin Ted Bundy for President?
Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
Lol, is this your first time encountering an anarchist?
No I’m just in complete shock that they exist every time. It’s like coming across a flat-earther.
You’re right. There’s absolutely no evidence of Trump being not of sound mind.
Let’s. And don’t tell us what to do.
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
4 more years of this comedy over there, im laughing too much already! xD
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Hysst. Let me enjoy my schadenfreude till the stench reaches here.
It is kinda funny watching the American Exceptionalism finally crumble before our eyes. Shame most Americans aren’t reflective enough to realise what’s happening.
This 100%. You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think Americans realize how irritating their fellow countrymen can be on the internet and in person to non Americans. There’s also the defaultism as if everyone is American (or wants to be American) which gets REALLY tiring after a while
Its extremely funny seeing idiot Americans who voted (and those who didnt vote at all) for a 34 count rapist felon, seditionous traitor and then protest by holding little signs and wearing pink jackets.
You guys only use your 2nd amendment rights in schools against children. America is a circus and Americans are the clowns.
The people who go out and protest are very likely people who voted, and not for him.
I wish I could argue with this.
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Adding up the people who didn’t vote to the people that voted for the orange one, it’s more like 65% of USAmericans are like that
What about the components? Should they also be produced in the US?
Let’s be clear, producing the iPhone in the US would be more than a 25% cost increase.
It’s coming true.
And again “tariff must be paid by Apple” really shows that he still has no idea how they work.
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
along with the poor white folk who voted for him.
That sounds like a nice mix where nothing terrible could happen. Tons of black and brown people surrounded by the poor white rural idiots that disenfranchised both of their lives.
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
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It’s basically “lose a huge amount of money or do me favours that cost you 1/100 as much”. Surprise, surprise, they do the favours.
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Congress has a lot of power to moderate the president, but the Republican majority has completely failed in that role.
How many clearance lot jets can Apple provide? Maybe Apple TV wants to host a truth social media network?
Trump is playing the long game (or long-con). Changing laws about presidential reelection is next. And then he may die next term, but the Pope-killer will take over his reins.
Did trump just confuse a possessive s for a plural s?
That is the least of his linguistic faults.
style errors are easily forgiven. study a foreign language or a programming language to get some empathy
suspending habeas corpus? he should be in so many heaps of trouble. the guillotine was a nasty, evil piece of work, and anyways
I’m not even a native speaker, so I think I’m allowed to criticise that
Autocorrect more likely
It happens to people and I don’t know why
Selling iPhones made outside US: bad
Selling MAGA hats and swag made in China: art of the deal
This past Monday, John Stewart of The Daily Show interviewed Patrick Mcgee who discussed the jaw-dropping amounts of money Apple spent building out Chinese electronics supply chains which had deep implications. -It made for an interesting case if true.
On that note, I suspect that a 25% tax is cheaper by far than the cost of building out state of the art silicon fab on US soil, plus the additional cost of paying Americans to do the manufacturing/assembly. Would you rather buy an iPhone for $1250 or $4000?
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
Did you ask around? I’m sure you can go into any biker bar in that state and ask for bumfuck
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
and expanding railways
Do it.
Rest assured if they fix the rail system or will be to put us in cattle cars on a rather unfun one way trip.
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything (not that they really had a great chance of that in the first place, but anyway…), because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, each and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
No, the US Purism phone is not 100% American.
They have a different supply chain for it where European manufacturers are used for some parts.
But some things are only made in China. So I think what was said is Purism source some of the raw materials for these items and have them made to a higher tolerance for reliability.
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
RIP
