- cross-posted to:
- TheIndependent@metawire.eu
- cross-posted to:
- TheIndependent@metawire.eu
With those tipping screens now seemingly everywhere, Americans think that the practice has “gotten out of control,” according to a new survey.
At least 63 percent of US residents now having a negative view of tipping, up from 59 percent last year, according to Bankrate, a financial publisher and comparison service.
Yet, the number of Americans who have gotten used to tipping has gone up since the COVID-19 pandemic, when it slipped. There have not been significant declines in tips for service providers, the survey noted, particularly for hairdressers and restaurant servers.
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I am not American.
When I first dined in US restaurant, I was flabbergasted with the fact that the cashier pulled out a tablet and already have five buttons ready to be tapped - 12%, 15%, 18%, CUSTOM TIP.
That no tip button was below the four prominent buttons.
No, I have never seen this in Japan, China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore and of course Indonesia where I live.
So for my 2¢: I’m a massage therapist. I went to school and pay for continuing education and licensing, and that’s not even considering insurance or a lease if you have your own practice. I rightfully should be making quite a bit more than minimum wage. Most places will put up job listings with a number around $45/hr, but they don’t mention that this is calculating with the average tip that’s almost always shorting what you’ll actually make.
My industry has been a tipped industry for a very long time and the tipping fatigue hurts. We have MORE shit we need to pay for on our own but people who have never gotten a massage see the prompt for a tip and don’t realize that’s been the norm for massage since fuckin EVERYWHERE asks you for a tip.
Time to demand a living wage.
Tip for fellow Americans: tip with cash because owners frequently steal digital tips. Inb4 “that’s illegal!” Yup, wage theft is the biggest type of theft.
I’ll tip on my card so everyone pays for their share fairly.
Why are we never tough on this crime?
The capital class sees it as impossible to prosecute because the violence is alienated and the working class is seen as less than human.
At this point I’ve stopped tipping. However I don’t like random numbers so when I checkout at restaurants I round to the nearest $5. So if my meal was $32.45 I’ll tip $2.55.
For me it’s a fun math game and the percentage for the tip is low.
That’s how it works at restaurants and cafés outside of the USA, or at least how it used to work.
Outside the USA, when the bill is paid with cash, the customer will keep any notes from the change given and the coins are left on the table, it’s not much, but a token show of appreciation.
Now that cash is rarely used, tips are pretty much never given unless it’s something unusual, like a work function or something else where the staff have a little more to concentrate on than they normally would.
That’s like an 8% tip.
Yeah anything less than 15% is considered low here.
Meanwhile, tipping isnt an issue in the majority of America. Huh.
- the millions who visit.
I just stopping tipping full-stop.
Tipping culture needs to die.
I hope you don’t ever go out for food/drinks if that’s your mindset.
I tip when there is actual service. Deliver my pizza so I don’t have to drive out to get it? Sure, I’ll tip. Making sure I have enough napkins and my coffee is kept topped up? Absolutely there’s a tip. Making the food and handing it to me at the counter? That’s not service, that’s just giving me what I paid for, so no tip.
It would be nice if tipping went away for the service jobs at well and they were paid a proper wage, but that isn’t happening any time soon. Long term changes can’t sacrifice short term needs to the point where there is no long term left to change, and waiters need to eat.
Are you able to give me better or worse service in the future. Tip.
Otherwise, no tip.
Same in Canada. Is that meal (like, a burger with fries lol) really 35$? Nah, add 15% for taxes, and at least another 15% for tips. But be warned, at 15% they might just throw it in your face. And don’t you dare leave under 2$ on that 20$ beer, do you think that botte got open by itself?
Dont they get paid minimum wage in Canada tho? I don’t get it
People can’t handle the social pressure from the service workers and their owners
Have never worked a job that earned me tips, but it seems to me that everyone who holds a full time job should not be required to rely on kindness of strangers for their livelyhood.
Regulations should be such that they mandate all employers to pay a liviable wage.
If that causes places to shutdown, let them greedy bastards shutdown. The market will correct itself.
Continuing as it is today is bad for everyone but the employers and capitalists.
It’s not kindness anymore. It’s peer pressure. That’s why people hate it. If it was true kindness then it would be totally private: i.e. you’d decide whether or not to tip the next day when you’re at home alone, with no one watching.
And there’s the crux, right? It’s not a kindness, and it never could be a kindness because that’s their actual wages. It isnt peer pressure, it is a conscious understanding that the person you are tipping is literally counting on that tip to pay their bills. You’re paying them because their boss won’t, and that is rightfully starting to piss people off.
The argument told to useful idiots is that servers are encouraged to work harder when they rely on tips.
For the rest of us that aren’t dumbasses, we can see that if a server isn’t doing their job properly, then they can be fired and replaced.
We can also recognize all the servers that bend over backwards and end up getting no tips or something very small.
As usual, tipping culture only exists because stupid Americans have been conditioned to work against their own interests.
If that’s bad for your business, can you really call yourself a capitalist?
For short term gain? Hells yes.
Just stop tipping?
Unfortunately tipping in North America is a wage subsidy paid by patrons. Employers can get away with paying employees less as there is an expectation that the public will supplement the difference. It wouldn’t be enough to just stop tipping, a change to employment practices is necessary.
Once enough people who rely on tips complain or look for work elsewhere, then things can start to change.
Right now, the same people bitching when they don’t get tipped also say “they make more with tips.”
Until those useful idiots change, we shouldn’t expect the system to change.
I expect to be waiting awhile, perhaps the rest of my life.
I think if everybody stopped tipping, a change in employment practices would soon follow, because all those people working consumer subsidized wages would quit.
When the only choice a person has is a little money vs. no money, they’re usually forced to choose the former.
Who’s forcing them to?
Peer-pressure.
My generation doesn’t value rising above it.
I personally don’t even tip anymore.
Is this the new story that sites write every time they’re out of ideas and need to publish something? Cuz I feel like there’s eight of these articles every week.
Even our local news station re-ran their genZ/millenial shame piece this week on how they dont tip while gen X and boomers always tip. No point to be made. Just “hur dur yOuNgE pEoPle DoNt TiP.”
The other half work for tips only.
It needs to be outlawed for real
